
Point of Relation with Thomas Huebl
Point of Relation podcast illuminates the path to collective healing at the intersection of science and mysticism. Host Thomas Huebl welcomes visionaries, innovators, artists, and healers for deep conversations about how we can activate our shared intelligence to meet the most pressing challenges of our time.
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Jul 23, 2024 • 24min
The Power of Collective Healing
Thomas dives deep into the foundational principles of collective healing, exploring the challenges of individual healing and the profound benefits of healing from trauma within a safe and supportive group. He shares how the intimacy and closeness of group healing spaces enable participants to be more open and present, which facilitates a coherent and resonant experience for all involved. In these settings, the healing of the individual is amplified by the attention and emotional feedback of the group, and vice versa. Thomas also explores how this concept can be scaled up, and how what he calls “collective witnessing” could be the key to integrating and healing the wounds of the past so that our societies can imagine and create a better world for the future together. ✨ Order Thomas’ new book, “Attuned: Practicing Interdependence to Heal Our Trauma–And Our World” here: 👉 https://www.attunedbook.com/ ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma. In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University. ✨ Connect with Thomas here: Website: https://thomashuebl.com/ Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/ Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl

Jul 16, 2024 • 54min
Elise Loehnen | Balancing Empathy, Anger, and Responsibility in Polarizing Times
Thomas is joined once again by New York Times bestselling author and the host of the podcast, Pulling the Thread, Elise Loehnen. They discuss the important work of reconnecting to our bodies, learning to fully embody our emotions—including anger—and what it takes to create safe spaces for difficult emotions to emerge and become integrated. Elise shares personal insights about grounding and releasing anger, and the powerful healing potential of setting honest boundaries. She and Thomas explore how increasing our inner resourcing and individual capacity for discomfort can help us detoxify wounds inherited from previous generations, bring us closer to nature, and collectively reduce polarization in society. ✨ Order Thomas’ new book, “Attuned: Practicing Interdependence to Heal Our Trauma–And Our World” here: 👉 https://www.attunedbook.com/ ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com Elise Loehnen is a New York Times bestselling author and the host of the podcast, Pulling the Thread, where she interviews cultural luminaries about the big questions of today. She’s the author of the New York Times bestselling On Our Best Behavior: The Seven Deadly Sins and the Price Women Pay to be Good. She has also co-written 12 books. She was the chief content officer of goop, where she co-hosted The goop Podcast and The goop Lab on Netflix, and led the brand’s content strategy and programming. She was previously the editorial projects director of Conde Nast Traveler and the editor at large and deputy editor of Lucky Magazine, where she served as the on-air spokesperson. ✨ Connect with Elise here: 👉 https://eliseloehnen.com 👉 https://eliseloehnen.substack.com Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma. In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University. ✨ Connect with Thomas here: Website: https://thomashuebl.com/ Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/ Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl

Jul 9, 2024 • 59min
Christiana Figueres | Climate Change as a Journey to the Heart
On this episode of Point of Relation, Thomas is joined by Christiana Figueres, an internationally recognized leader on global climate change. They discuss her extensive work in helping to create global regulatory frameworks around climate change, and how we can apply the power of our agency as a collective to work towards regeneration instead of creating more destruction. Christiana and Thomas observe how our individual healing processes mirror the social transformation humanity must undergo to address the climate crisis. They explore how we can fertilize the ground of possibility and see climate change not as an inevitable disaster, but as a portal for change and an opportunity to heal global injustices. ✨ Order Thomas’ new book, “Attuned: Practicing Interdependence to Heal Our Trauma–And Our World” here: 👉 https://www.attunedbook.com/ ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com Christiana Figueres is an internationally recognized leader on global climate change. She was Executive Secretary of the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change from 2010 to 2016. She directed numerous successful Conferences of the Parties, culminating in the historical Paris Agreement of 2015. She is the co-founder of Global Optimism, co-host of the podcast “Outrage & Optimism” and is the co-author of the recently published book, The Future We Choose: Surviving the Climate Crisis. ✨ Connect with Christiana here: 👉https://christianafigueres.com/ 👉https://www.outrageandoptimism.org/ Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma. In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University. ✨ Connect with Thomas here: Website: https://thomashuebl.com/ Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/ Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl

Jul 4, 2024 • 15min
Bonus: The 3-Sync Meditation
In this special bonus episode, Thomas guides us through the 3-Sync Meditation Practice, a foundational meditation in Thomas’ teachings. “3-Sync” refers to the synchronization of our physical, emotional, and mental experiences. It’s a simple practice to help generate presence and digest whatever arises. You can return to this practice again and again when you are experiencing overwhelm, or just need a moment for space and integration in your day. ✨ Order Thomas’ new book, “Attuned: Practicing Interdependence to Heal Our Trauma–And Our World” here: 👉 https://www.attunedbook.com/ ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma. In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University. ✨ Connect with Thomas here: Website: https://thomashuebl.com/ Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/ Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl

Jul 2, 2024 • 24min
Mystical Teachings From Wisdom Traditions
Thomas discusses three foundational concepts of mystical teachings: Awareness, Movement, and Ethics. He explores how mindfulness synchronizes our awareness with our perception, how Taoism and other wisdom traditions help us integrate the past so we can be more present in the flow of life, and how internal regulation and spaciousness make us less dependent on external rules and validation. Thomas emphasizes how these powerful spiritual tools can help us to deepen, evolve, and unify our experience of life. ✨ Order Thomas’ new book, “Attuned: Practicing Interdependence to Heal Our Trauma–And Our World” here: 👉 https://www.attunedbook.com/ ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma. In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University. ✨ Connect with Thomas here: Website: https://thomashuebl.com/ Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/ Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl

Jun 25, 2024 • 1h 4min
Sharon Salzberg | Caring for Those Who Care for Others
Thomas is joined by meditation pioneer, world-renowned teacher, and New York Times bestselling author, Sharon Salzberg. They discuss how meditation brings us deeply in touch with how connected we all are, and helps us embrace our authentic selves. Sharon has worked extensively bringing tools of yoga, meditation, and community building to those in caring and healing professions. She stresses the importance of balance and explains how meditation and mindfulness practices can help us be present with suffering as well as joy—without causing ourselves undo harm or dissociating from our problems. She and Thomas explore the Buddhist emphasis on love, connection, and community, and how understanding and caring for ourselves is our greatest tool in caring for others and the world. Key points from this episode include: Learning from meditation to sit with painful feelings and approach them with compassion Helping people get back in touch with their tools of resilience The importance of community building in trauma healing How our spiritual practice can help us meet the challenges of the world instead of bypassing them Integrating inner work and outer expression The traumatized compulsion to serve others and how we can be more introspective to understand our motivations and intentions ✨ Order Thomas’ new book, “Attuned: Practicing Interdependence to Heal Our Trauma–And Our World” here: 👉 https://www.attunedbook.com/ ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com Sharon Salzberg is a meditation pioneer, world-renowned teacher, and New York Times bestselling author. She is among the first to bring mindfulness & loving-kindness meditation to mainstream American culture. A co-founder of The Insight Meditation Society in Barre, MA, Sharon is the author of thirteen books, including the New York Times bestseller, Real Happiness, now in its second edition, and her seminal work, Lovingkindess. She hosts the popular podcast, The Metta Hour. ✨ Connect with Sharoon here: 👉https://www.sharonsalzberg.com Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma. In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University. ✨ Connect with Thomas here: Website: https://thomashuebl.com/ Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/ Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl

Jun 18, 2024 • 1h 1min
Venerable Dr. Yifa | Buddhism and the Search for Universal Truths
Thomas is joined by Taiwanese Buddhist nun, scholar, writer, and Founder of the Woodenfish Foundation, Venerable Dr. Yifa, PhD. They discuss the relationship between science and religion, focusing on how modern scientific advances can be viewed from a Buddhist lens, and the philosophical and ethical questions posed by new technology. Dr. Yifa shares how she chose the path of becoming a Buddhist nun, and how the discipline she learned in that process has helped her in her academic studies and life. She and Thomas explore how both religion and science offer avenues to pursue fundamental truths and discuss how Buddhist and Taoist teachings can help us become mindful, helpful people who contribute positively to the collective karma of humanity. ✨ Order Thomas’ new book, “Attuned: Practicing Interdependence to Heal Our Trauma–And Our World” here: 👉 https://www.attunedbook.com/ ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com Venerable Dr. Yifa, PhD is a Taiwanese Buddhist nun, scholar, and writer. Ordained in 1979, She holds a law degree from the Taiwan National University, a Master's in Comparative Philosophy from the University of Hawaii and a doctorate in religious studies from Yale University. She has been the Dean at Fo Guang Shan Buddhist seminary and served as a department head and Dean of the University of the West in Los Angeles. Her main area of research is Buddhist monasticism and she is the author and co-author of multiple books, including The Origins of Buddhist Monastic Codes. In 2002, she established the Woodenfish Project to conduct the “Humanistic Buddhist Monastic Life Program” for college students to experience life in monasteries, as well as “Buddhism in China—Buddhist Seminars in Sacred Sites” for scholars and graduate students. ✨ Connect with Dr. Yifa here: 👉 http://www.woodenfish.org Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma. In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University. ✨ Connect with Thomas here: Website: https://thomashuebl.com/ Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/ Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl

Jun 11, 2024 • 55min
Michael Beckwith | Embracing Growth and Possibility
Thomas is joined by the Founder and CEO of the Agape International Spiritual Center and the author of Life Visioning, Michael Beckwith. They discuss how believing in possibility and maintaining hope are essential to growth, transformation, and our ability to live an authentic and fulfilling life. Michael shares his insights into how our minds have been hijacked by news, media, and circumstances beyond our control, and shares practices and strategies for gaining sovereignty over our awareness. He and Thomas explore how we can ask ourselves more empowering questions instead of succumbing to disempowerment and hopelessness. Michael stresses that believing in the potential of humanity and focusing on community can help us experience greater healing and positive change in our lives. ✨ Order Thomas’ new book, “Attuned: Practicing Interdependence to Heal Our Trauma–And Our World” here: 👉 https://www.attunedbook.com/ ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com Michael Bernard Beckwith is the Founder and CEO of Agape International Spiritual Center and author. A sought-after evolutionary leader, speaker, and meditation teacher, tens of thousands join Michael online for services every Sunday at Agapelive.com. His podcast, Take Back Your Mind, is available wherever you get your podcasts. ✨ Connect with Michael here: 👉 https://michaelbeckwith.com/ 👉 https://agapelive.com/ Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma. In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University. ✨ Connect with Thomas here: Website: https://thomashuebl.com/ Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/ Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl

Jun 4, 2024 • 29min
Cultivating Wisdom
On this episode of Point of Relation, Thomas dives deep into the foundational concept of wisdom - exploring what it takes to cultivate wisdom within ourselves, and how the individual effects of wisdom are deeply intertwined with the whole of humanity. Thomas believes that wisdom arises when we grow and mature through difficult circumstances, integrating what we learn from these experiences and allowing ourselves to expand. Practicing presence can be challenging for many of us, but the more we integrate the past, the easier it gets. Presence, as Thomas explains, is a beautiful gift that transcends time. And learning how to live in presence and connection with the whole of existence, the good and the bad, is how we develop wisdom. ✨ Order Thomas’ new book, “Attuned: Practicing Interdependence to Heal Our Trauma–And Our World” here: 👉 https://www.attunedbook.com/ ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma. In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University. ✨ Connect with Thomas here: Website: https://thomashuebl.com/ Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/ Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl

May 28, 2024 • 51min
Koshin Paley Ellison | Finding Refuge, Care, and Healing in Meditation
Thomas is joined by Koshin Paley Ellison - an author, Zen teacher, Jungian psychotherapist, and co-founder of the New York Zen Center for Contemplative Care. They discuss the deep benefits of Buddhist meditation practice, and how it can enhance the benefits of traditional therapy - allowing us to go to greater depths in our healing work by teaching us how to be present with pain. Koshin has applied these teachings through his own healing journey and in his groundbreaking program for healthcare workers that developed during the pandemic. He and Thomas explore how the relevance of the Four Noble Truths of Buddhism, honing in on truth #3: that we, as human beings, can actually change. Koshin believes that by shifting from a model of self-care and self-orientation to an understanding of care that is service-oriented and inclusive of all people, we can learn to see our reality from new perspectives and find joy through more meaningful connections. ✨ Order Thomas’ new book, “Attuned: Practicing Interdependence to Heal Our Trauma–And Our World” here: 👉 https://www.attunedbook.com/ ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com Koshin Paley Ellison is an author, Zen teacher, Jungian psychotherapist, and co-founder of an educational non-profit called the New York Zen Center for Contemplative Care. His books, grounded in Buddhist wisdom and practice, have gained national attention. Through its educational programs, retreats, and Soto Zen Buddhist practices, the New York Zen Center touches thousands of lives every year. ✨ Connect with Koshin here: 👉 https://zencare.org Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma. In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University. ✨ Connect with Thomas here: Website: https://thomashuebl.com/ Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/ Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl