
Distance To Empty
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Distance To Empty will take its audience deep into the world of ultra-endurance running, with a particular focus on races exceeding 200 miles. Through in-depth interviews with athletes, race organizers and sports scientists, the episodes shed light on the unique challenges and strategies involved in tackling these extreme distances. Tune in and learn what it takes to reach your distance to empty.
Latest episodes

May 19, 2025 • 1h 10min
Finding Distance to Empty on New York’s Long Path with Kim Levinsky
Want to support us? Use code DISTANCE at Janji.com and be sure to select 'podcast' > 'Distance to Empty' on the post purchase "How did you hear about Janji" page. Thank you!In this conversation, Kim Levinsky shares her journey as an ultra runner and race director, focusing on her recent FKT attempt on the New York Long Path. She discusses the challenges faced during the attempt, including extreme weather conditions and personal struggles, as well as the importance of crew support and nutrition. The conversation also delves into the mental health aspects of ultra running and the upcoming documentary that captures her experience and its connection to mental health awareness. In this conversation, Kim Levinsky shares her transformative experiences during her endurance journey on the Long Path, discussing the importance of self-discovery, the evolving nature of one's motivations, and the mental challenges faced in ultra running. She emphasizes the significance of planning for endurance events and reflects on the healing aspects of these challenges, while also looking forward to future races and mental health advocacy efforts.

May 14, 2025 • 1h 10min
2025 Cocodona 250 Recap w/ the Distance to Empty Boys
Want to support us? Use code DISTANCE at Janji.com and be sure to select 'podcast' > 'Distance to Empty' on the post purchase "How did you hear about Janji" page. Thank you!In this episode of the Distance to Empty podcast, co-host Peter Noyes interviews Kevin Goldberg about his experience in the challenging 2025 Cocodona 250 ultra marathon. They discuss Kevin's goals, mental preparation, training, gear choices, and the significant impact of weather and mud on the race. Kevin shares insights on new course changes, particularly the Hangover Trail and Elden Reroute, and reflects on his successful Mingus descent. The conversation highlights the importance of crew support, nutrition, and maintaining a positive mindset throughout the race, especially when faced with unexpected challenges like a shin issue. Ultimately, Kevin emphasizes that the journey and experience of the race are more important than the finish time. In this conversation, Kevin Goldberg shares his experiences and reflections on the Cocodona 250 race, detailing the challenges he faced, the importance of sleep, and the joy of finishing. He discusses the highs and lows of the race, the significance of aid stations, and the transformation he felt after getting a much-needed rest at Trinity. The conversation also touches on the excitement of the finish line celebration and a recap of the Flagstaff Bound event, highlighting the achievements of various athletes. Finally, Kevin reveals his plans for the future, including taking a year off from Cocodona and exploring new opportunities in the running community.

May 4, 2025 • 1h 8min
From a Poker Table Bet to Running the Arizona Monster 300 w/ Ryan Snickles
Want to support us? Use code DISTANCE at Janji.com and be sure to select 'podcast' > 'Distance to Empty' on the post purchase "How did you hear about Janji" page. Thank you!In this conversation, Ryan shares his journey into ultra running, detailing how a bet among poker friends led him to complete a 70-mile run with minimal preparation. He discusses the motivations behind his running, particularly the desire to be present for his daughter, and reflects on his experiences during the Arizona Monster 300 race. Ryan emphasizes the importance of community, the balance between competition and personal growth, and the benefits of disconnecting from social media during races. He also shares valuable lessons learned from previous races and his approach to problem-solving in endurance events. In this conversation, Ryan shares his insights on setting personal goals in racing, the strategic nature of backyard racing, and the challenges faced during the Monster race. He reflects on the importance of community and influence in his running journey, emphasizing resilience and the lessons he hopes to impart to his daughter. The discussion highlights the emotional highs and lows of endurance racing, as well as the continuous evolution of personal limits.

May 3, 2025 • 19min
Shelby Farrell is Flagstaff Bound at the 2025 Cocodona 250
Want to support us? Use code DISTANCE at Janji.com and be sure to select 'podcast' > 'Distance to Empty' on the post purchase "How did you hear about Janji" page. Thank you!Welcome to our Flagstaff Bound series! We'll be hosting this series along with Aravaipa Running in the lead up to the 2025 Cocodona 250.In this episode of Flagstaff Bound, host Kevin Goldberg and co-host Peter Noyes welcome Shelby, an inspiring voice in the ultra running community, as she prepares to race in the Cocodona 250 after recovering from a significant injury. Shelby shares her journey of overcoming physical and mental challenges, the importance of community support, and the strategies she has developed to build a strong support crew for the race. The conversation delves into the fears and excitement surrounding the upcoming race, as well as the personal goals Shelby hopes to achieve beyond just finishing times.

May 2, 2025 • 20min
Cam Hanes is Flagstaff Bound at the 2025 Cocodona 250
Cam Hanes, an endurance athlete, author, and bow hunter, shares his thrilling journey toward the Cocodona 250. He discusses the unique mental and physical challenges of ultra running, emphasizing the beauty of nature and community. The conversation dives into the psychological hurdles that come with unexpected fatigue and race planning strategies. Cam also reveals the powerful ‘keep hammering’ mantra and reflects on the authenticity required in the sport, all while sharing humorous anecdotes from past races.

May 1, 2025 • 22min
Wes Plate is Flagstaff Bound at the 2025 Cocodona 250
Want to support us? Use code DISTANCE at Janji.com and be sure to select 'podcast' > 'Distance to Empty' on the post purchase "How did you hear about Janji" page. Thank you!Welcome to our Flagstaff Bound series! We'll be hosting this series along with Aravaipa Running in the lead up to the 2025 Cocodona 250.In this episode of Flagstaff Bound, host Kevin Goldberg and co-host Peter Noyes welcome Wes Plate, a seasoned ultra runner and YouTuber, to discuss his experiences with the Cocodona250 race. Wes shares insights on his journey through multiple 200-mile races, the community aspect of ultra running, and the importance of documenting these experiences for future runners. The conversation delves into the growth of the ultra running community, the significance of gear and strategies, and the legacy that Wes hopes to leave in the sport. As he prepares for his fifth Cocodona250, Wes emphasizes the value of perseverance and the deeper motivations behind endurance racing.

Apr 30, 2025 • 22min
Mike McKnight is Flagstaff Bound at the 2025 Cocodona 250
Want to support us? Use code DISTANCE at Janji.com and be sure to select 'podcast' > 'Distance to Empty' on the post purchase "How did you hear about Janji" page. Thank you!Welcome to our Flagstaff Bound series! We'll be hosting this series along with Aravaipa Running in the lead up to the 2025 Cocodona 250.In this episode of Flagstaff Bound, host Kevin Goldberg and co-host Peter Noyes welcome ultra runner Mike McKnight, who shares his experiences and insights on the Cocodona 250 race. They discuss the unique community surrounding the race, the importance of sleep management in ultra running, and Mike's approach to challenging himself through multi-sport training. As they look forward to the upcoming race, Mike shares his strategies and what he hopes to achieve, emphasizing the significance of personal growth and connection in the world of ultra running.

Apr 29, 2025 • 17min
Sarah Ostaszewski is Flagstaff Bound at the 2025 Cocodona 250
Want to support us? Use code DISTANCE at Janji.com and be sure to select 'podcast' > 'Distance to Empty' on the post purchase "How did you hear about Janji" page. Thank you!Welcome to our Flagstaff Bound series! We'll be hosting this series along with Aravaipa Running in the lead up to the 2025 Cocodona 250.In this episode of Flagstaff Bound, host Kevin Goldberg and co-host Peter Noyes engage with Sarah Ostaszewski, a prominent figure in the Cocodona 250 race. They discuss Sarah's journey from her debut in 2021 to her winning performance in 2023, exploring her motivations, strategies, and the evolution of her racing experience. The conversation delves into the importance of self-management, the growing presence of women in ultra running, and the unique challenges of the Cocodona course. Sarah shares her insights on preparing for the race, her favorite and least favorite sections, and her goals for the upcoming event, emphasizing the joy of running and the support of her crew.

Apr 28, 2025 • 21min
Michael Versteeg is Flagstaff Bound at the 2025 Cocodona 250
Want to support us? Use code DISTANCE at Janji.com and be sure to select 'podcast' > 'Distance to Empty' on the post purchase "How did you hear about Janji" page. Thank you!Welcome to our Flagstaff Bound series! We'll be hosting this series along with Aravaipa Running in the lead up to the 2025 Cocodona 250.In this episode of Distance to Empty, host Kevin Goldberg and co-host Peter Noyes sit down with Michael Versteeg, the original champion of the Cocodona 250. They discuss the unique experiences of the inaugural race, the evolution of Cocodona over the years, and the challenges of multi-day endurance racing. Versteeg shares his personal connection to the race, the importance of sustainability in ultra running, and what keeps him coming back each year. The conversation also touches on the anticipation for the upcoming race and reflections on the journey of ultra running.

Apr 28, 2025 • 1h 22min
2025 Cocodona 250 Deep Dive! Course Preview, Tips & Strategies w/ Special Guest Joe Corcione
In this episode of the Distance to Empty podcast, hosts Kevin Goldberg and Peter Noyes, along with special guest Joe Corcione, provide an in-depth preview of the Cocodona 250 ultra marathon. They discuss the course layout, share valuable tips for runners, crew, and pacers, and highlight the importance of hydration and preparation for the challenging sections of the race. The conversation covers each segment of the race, emphasizing the mental and physical strategies needed to succeed in this grueling event. In this segment of the conversation, Kevin,20 Peter and Joe Corcione discuss various sections of the Cocodona 250 race, focusing on the challenges and strategies for navigating the course. They delve into the importance of managing sleep, the technical difficulties of the Mingus descent, and the beauty of the Dead Horse to Deer Pass section. The conversation also highlights the new Hangover Trail and the significance of Muns Park as a sleep station, emphasizing the mental and physical endurance required for the race. In this episode, the hosts discuss the challenges and strategies for the Cocodona 250 race, focusing on key sections like Fort Tuttle to Walnut Canyon and the final push to the finish. They explore the mental and physical demands of ultra running, the importance of pacing and support, and the new trail changes for this year's race. The conversation also touches on personal growth through endurance racing and predictions for future events.