

GTM Science - A show for GTM and RevOps leaders
Union Square Consulting
To us, GTM is both an art and a science. We don't claim to be experts in the "art"—the marketing campaigns, sales messaging, and branding. We ARE experts in the "science"—GTM strategy, process design, growth planning, and RevOps. On GTM Science, we share what we've learned by solving these problems at scale for B2B recurring revenue businesses. We also bring you unfiltered conversations with CROs, private equity investors, and revenue leaders who’ve done it themselves.
No silver bullets. Just real talk about what works.
Learn more at unionsquareconsulting.com
No silver bullets. Just real talk about what works.
Learn more at unionsquareconsulting.com
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Jan 14, 2025 • 44min
CRO Stories: Using Data and Strategy to Succeed as a CRO with JD MIller
CRO Stories is a segment of the RevOps Corner podcast, where we interview brilliant CROs and GTM experts to discover how revenue leaders are making massive impact in B2B SaaS. Hosted by USC Marketing Manager Rachael Bueckert.
In this episode, we're sitting down with JD Miller, advisor and former chief revenue officer at Kantata, to discuss the most important lessons he's learned as a CRO. JD shares insights on the transition from startup to large publicly traded companies, the importance of data in driving strategy, annual planning best practices, and managing team dynamics and turnover.
We also get to hear more about JD's newly launched book 'The CRO's Guide to Winning in Private Equity', which is available to order now on his website by clicking here.
You can learn more about JD at his website or by following him on LinkedIn.
00:00 Introduction
00:26 JD Miller's Career Journey
03:46 Private Equity and Urgency in Business
05:11 Using Data to Drive Impactful Strategy
8:40 Preparing Companies for Scaling Beyond $20M ARR
10:47 Annual Planning and Setting Realistic Goals
15:00 Why CROs Get Fired
17:01 Analyzing Metrics and Sales Velocity
20:33 Adapting Strategies for Growth
23:10 Navigating Uncertainty with Weekly Analysis
24:17 The Importance of Transparency in Leadership
26:06 Building Contingencies into Annual Plans
28:43 Setting Realistic Goals and Managing Expectations
31:15 Having Hard Conversations with the Board
32:52 How to Keep Team Morale High
36:08 Setting Up Reps for Success with Territories
40:20 Aligning Company Values and Individual Goals
43:29 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

Jan 13, 2025 • 21min
CRO Stories: Integrating Sales and Marketing at Calendly with Jessica Gilmartin
Welcome to CRO Stories, a new segment of the RevOps Corner podcast, where we interview brilliant CROs and GTM experts to discover how revenue leaders are making massive impact in B2B SaaS. In this episode our host, USC Marketing Manager Rachael Bueckert , interviews Jessica Gilmartin, former Chief Revenue Officer and Chief Marketing Officer at Calendly.
Jessica shares her extensive experience in marketing and sales, detailing her journey from Google to startups like Piazza and eventually to Calendly. She discusses the challenges and strategies behind integrating sales and marketing functions, particularly in a Product-Led Growth (PLG) and Sales-Led Growth (SLG) hybrid model.
00:25 Jessica Gill Martin's Career Journey
02:23 Restructuring and Team Alignment
06:40 Implementing Changes
07:26 Restructuring the Sales Org
12:33 Results of Sales and Marketing Collaboration
20:03 Future Plans and Advice for CROs

Dec 21, 2024 • 38min
How to Create a Bottoms Up Plan
In this episode of The RevOps Corner, USC Marketing Manager Rachael Bueckert interviews founder and CEO Eddie Reynolds on how to create a bottoms-up plan.
Eddie discusses the limitations of top-down growth models like the triple triple, double double double framework and advocates for a bottoms-up approach to create realistic and executable growth plans. He details the importance of granular data analysis, capacity planning, and the integration of both planning methods to align business goals with achievable strategies.
The conversation covers net revenue retention, expansion revenue, forecasting sales, tactical capacity plans, and the metrics crucial for presenting to boards and investors. Eddie also shares practical insights from his experience at Salesforce on improving close rates, average sales price, and sales cycle for new team members.
00:00 Introduction
00:54 Top-Down vs. Bottoms-Up Planning
03:05 Benefits of Bottoms-Up Planning
03:59 Steps to Start Bottoms-Up Planning
07:12 Forecasting and Capacity Planning
11:33 Challenges in Capacity Planning
18:38 Outbound Prospecting Strategies
21:05 Inbound Lead Management
34:41 Blending Top-Down and Bottoms-Up Approaches
36:05 Conclusion and Upcoming Episodes
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GTM STRATEGY, GROWTH PLANNING, & REVOPS SERVICES
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Nov 8, 2024 • 53min
CRO Stories: How CROs Can Thrive in Their New Role with Warren Zenna
Welcome to the first episode of CRO Stories! This is a new segment of the RevOps Corner podcast, where we interview brilliant CROs and GTM experts to discover how revenue leaders are making massive impact in B2B SaaS.
Our host, USC Marketing Manager Rachael Bueckert, sits down with Warren Zenna of The CRO Collective to talk about how CROs can thrive in their role -- and the mistakes companies make when hiring them.
Know a CRO with experience in B2B SaaS >$30M ARR and experiences to share? You can email Rachael at rachael@unionsquareconsulting.com to be considered!
00:00 Introduction to CRO Stories
00:48 Warren's Background and Journey
01:40 Challenges in Ad Tech and Sales
03:36 Misalignment in Sales, Marketing, and Customer Success
06:28 Why We Need a Chief Revenue Officer
07:10 Defining the CRO Role
07:57 CRO Readiness and Hiring Challenges
09:00 The Impact of Hiring the Right CRO
14:01 Common Mistakes in Defining the CRO Role
23:09 Advice for New CROs Before You Take the Job
29:07 Evaluating Marketing and CRO Interactions
30:01 Establishing Your Process in the Interview
30:17 Assessing Revenue Operations Maturity
32:02 Understanding the Role of a CRO
35:32 Key Competencies for Sales Leaders
39:52 Ensuring CRO Support and Resources
47:01 What Can CROs Do When They're Not Being Supported Enough
50:30 Networking and Resources for CROs
51:52 Conclusion and Where to Find More Information

Aug 30, 2024 • 14min
How to Generate More Expansion Pipeline
In this solo episode of The RevOps Corner, host Eddie Reynolds, founder and CEO of Union Square Consulting, shares a recent experience where an AE missed an opportunity to grow him as a customer. Eddie illustrates the mistakes that were made and how you can learn from them to increase your own expansion pipeline.
The process that Eddie highlights is the same one he learned from his time at Salesforce, where he doubled customer spending in the first 12 months.
Emphasizing the importance of fundamentals like ICP, buyer personas, and a strong onboarding process, Eddie discusses identifying healthy customers, segmenting them by industry and role, and drilling down on specific tactics to expand accounts. He underscores the significance of forming a point of view and doing in-depth research to open up expansion opportunities, particularly when approaching various stakeholders such as CFOs and CROs.
00:00 Introduction
00:29 Generating Expansion Opportunities
01:12 Missed Opportunities in Account Management
03:27 Fundamentals of Expansion Pipeline
06:08 Identifying Healthy Customers
07:01 Segmenting Customers for Success
09:19 Research and Forming a Point of View
11:48 Setting Up for Success
13:15 Conclusion and Next Steps
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STRATEGIC REVENUE OPERATIONS AS A SERVICE
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Aug 23, 2024 • 50min
Increasing Outbound Success Rates using Inbound-Led Outbound with Adam Robinson
In this episode of RevOps Corner, host Eddie Reynolds interviews Adam Robinson, founder and CEO of RB2B and Retention.com. They discuss the abysmally low prospect response rates in today's market and the significance of leveraging thought leadership on platforms like LinkedIn to enhance outbound sales strategies.
Eddie and Adam share insights from their own experiences building recognizable brands on LinkedIn and discuss practical steps for optimizing sales and marketing efforts in the B2B SaaS space -- with Adam providing some brilliant on-the-spot Inbound-led Outbound coaching and strategies. You won't want to miss this one!
Want to learn more about Adam's solution for identifying anonymous website visitors? Click here!
00:00 Introduction
00:22 Guest Introduction: Adam Robinson
00:43 Adam's Career Journey
03:13 Eddie's Career Journey
05:52 The Problem with Outbound Response Rates
09:45 The Evolution of Sales Strategies
12:39 Leveraging LinkedIn for Sales
14:34 Content Creation and Personal Branding
22:42 Demand Creation vs. Demand Capture
26:12 Warm Outreach Campaign Strategies
27:13 Personalization vs. Relevance in Email Campaigns
29:05 Freemium Model and Conversion Rates
30:36 Leveraging LinkedIn for Outreach
32:02 Content as a Sales and Discovery Tool
37:54 Optimizing LinkedIn Connections
43:47 Balancing Automation and Personalization
49:51 Final Thoughts
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STRATEGIC REVENUE OPERATIONS AS A SERVICE
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Aug 9, 2024 • 46min
Finding an Alternative to the MQL with Andrew Nadeau
In this episode of RevOps Corner, our host Mallory Lee chats with Andrew Nadeau, founder of Align.ly, to explore different ways of qualifying leads other than the "dead" MQL.
They discuss whether MQLs are still relevant, the problems associated with traditional lead scoring, and the importance of intent signals. The conversation highlights how companies can improve lead routing, the nuances of automating lead to account matching, and how AI can assist in these processes. Both agree that while MQLs serve a purpose, a refined approach leveraging Salesforce campaigns and intent signals can streamline revenue operations.
Check out Andrew's playbook for implementing a contacts-only strategy in Salesforce without skipping the lead -> Click here!
00:00 Introduction
00:33 Meet Andrew Nadeau: Founder of Alignly
01:41 Alignly's Solutions and Philosophy
03:55 The Debate: Is the MQL Dead?
08:06 Challenges with MQLs and Lead Scoring
12:02 Improving MQL Strategies
16:12 The Importance of Nurturing Leads and Contacts
21:44 Best Practices for Lead and Contact Management
22:59 Understanding the Sales Handoff Process
23:39 The Importance of Lead to Account Matching
25:25 Challenges with Contact and Account Management
29:41 The Role of Salesforce Campaigns in Marketing
31:35 Measuring Marketing Campaign Effectiveness
42:00 Leveraging AI for Sales and Marketing Alignment
43:58 Final Thoughts and Key Takeaways
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STRATEGIC REVENUE OPERATIONS AS A SERVICE
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Aug 2, 2024 • 49min
Combining Inbound and Outbound for the Most Effective Customer Gen Strategy with Jim Wilson
In this episode of The RevOps Corner, host Eddie Reynolds speaks with Jim Wilson, partner at Costanoa Ventures, about blending inbound and outbound strategies to build an effective pipeline for B2B SaaS companies. They discuss definitions of inbound and outbound, account-based marketing (ABM), the importance of prioritizing quality over quantity, and how to balance experimentation with established practices.
Jim emphasizes the value of salespeople owning their prospecting methods and integrating automated tools and content strategies. They share insights on engaging potential customers and refining lead assessment techniques, highlighting the art of selling alongside digital tools and processes.
Jim is always happy to take calls or inbounds from great salespeople. You can reach him on LinkedIn or by email at jim@costanoa.bc
00:00 Introduction
01:22 The Role of ABM in Outbound Marketing
03:49 How Early-Stage Companies Should Experiment
06:23 Content Creation and Lead Qualification
09:01 How to Define Inbound Qualified Leads
14:37 The Importance of Sales Prospecting
20:19 Strategies for Combining Inbound and Outbound
27:24 Combining Different Types of Buying Signals
28:06 The Role of Salespeople in Targeting Accounts
29:13 Automation and Human Touch in Sales
30:46 Scoring and Prioritizing Accounts
32:55 Integrated Sales Strategies
33:08 Using a Pod Model
35:01 Leveraging LinkedIn and Social Media
42:19 The Power of Referrals and Warm Intros
45:02 The Art of Selling in a Tech-Driven World
48:13 Conclusion and Final Thoughts
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STRATEGIC REVENUE OPERATIONS AS A SERVICE
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Jul 26, 2024 • 43min
How to Improve Lead Qualification and Routing with Mallory Lee
Every lead you have, whether they've shown interest or not, is a lead that you've paid for. Whether you spent money on an ad to generate them, or you paid reps to find and research them, or you bought tickets to an event to meet them. Optimizing your lead qualification and routing is a practice that not only helps increase ROI on these leads going forward, but it can be applied to all of those contacts you've already spent money on.
In this episode of The RevOps Corner, our host Eddie Reynolds is joined by Mallory Lee, SVP of RevOps Strategy at Union Square Consulting, to discuss lead qualification and routing strategies that help B2B SaaS companies get more out of every lead they earn – even the ones who seem like a bad fit.
They explore common issues with the existing MQL process and share insights from their popular newsletter on how to improve lead qualification, reduce acquisition costs, and enhance sales and marketing alignment.
The conversation touches on account-based scoring, the importance of high-intent leads, and methods to separate and prioritize leads effectively. Mallory and Eddie also highlight the significance of defining and refining ICPs and buyer personas and the need for continuous iteration in lead management processes.
Near the end of the podcast, Eddie gives you an exercise you can do today to get you on the path to optimizing your lead scoring process faster than you think.
00:00 Introduction
00:51 Today's Focus: Lead Qualification and Routing
01:25 The Problem with MQLs
02:16 Marketing vs. Sales Perspective
03:26 Effective Lead Conversion Strategies
05:58 Inbound vs. Outbound: A Balancing Act
11:19 The Purpose of Your ICP Definition
11:15 Prioritizing High Intent Leads
22:49 Optimizing Sales and Marketing Alignment
24:07 Incentivizing Marketing: A Different Approach
24:35 The Importance of Revenue Focus in Marketing
25:44 Defining ICP and Personas: Going Beyond Basics
27:46 Challenges in Targeting and Resource Allocation
31:10 The Role of RevOps and Sales in Account Research
34:16 Lead and Account Scoring: A Holistic Approach
37:55 How Lead Scoring Allows Strategic Planning
40:18 Lead Qualification Exercise
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STRATEGIC REVENUE OPERATIONS AS A SERVICE
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Jul 19, 2024 • 49min
Optimizing GTM Using the Revenue Factory Model – Webinar Recording
You have no control over revenue growth if you can't see what's happening in your business.
In this recording of our Revenue Factory Webinar hosted by Union Square Consulting and Growblocks, Mallory Lee (SVP of RevOps Strategy at USC) and Tony Holhbein (CEO at Growblocks) discuss how B2B SaaS companies can optimize their go-to-market strategies using the revenue factory model.
They explore the complexities of creating a streamlined revenue operation, including the importance of understanding supply and demand dynamics and managing multiple customer journey lanes. They also examine the dangers of a blended funnel (Simpson's Paradox) and emphasize the need for clear, segmented funnels to improve efficiency and revenue outcomes.
The conversation is filled with practical advice, including implementing effective tech stacks and ensuring strategic alignment. Real-life examples and best practices are shared, offering insights on how to avoid common pitfalls and achieve better pipeline management.
Watch the full webinar on YouTube here!
01:06 Introducing the Revenue Factory Model
02:25 Visualizing the Revenue Factory
05:18 Complexities of the Revenue Factory
08:35 Multiple Production Lines in Revenue Operations
11:36 Efficiency in Production Lines
16:56 The Danger of Averages and Unblending the Funnel
24:38 Understanding Supply in Revenue Operations
26:15 Balancing Supply and Demand in Sales
27:16 Optimizing AE Utilization
20:20 Challenges of Scaling Sales Teams
31:16 Strategic Capacity Planning
33:02 Defining the Factory's Purpose
34:40 Steps to Achieve Product-Market Fit
36:17 Adapting Processes for Growth
41:01 Case Study: Nylas
45:34 Supporting CEOs with Flexible Strategies
48:52 Q&A and Final Thoughts
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