I Hate It Here

Join Erica Lydell, a seasoned People and Culture leader passionate about neurodiversity and inclusion, as she unpacks the complex nature of belonging at work. She shares her personal journey, emphasizing that true belonging isn’t automatic and often requires navigating identity tensions. Erica critiques the concept of professionalism, advocates for the unique culture at Fluevog, and highlights the importance of understanding neurodiverse perspectives. She argues that leaders must build trust to foster genuine inclusion, making belonging a dynamic, evolving experience.

In this lively discussion, Madison Montgomery, an early operator at Workweek and direct report to the host, shares her candid insights about generational workplace dynamics. They dive into the fun chaos of collaborating across HR Millennials and Gen Z perspectives, revealing the amusing reality of their working relationship. Topics like micromanagement evolution, the importance of finding common ground, and memorable team moments add depth to their chat. Plus, expect some playful banter over pop culture favorites!

Mary Pat Jacobs, a leadership coach and organizational development consultant, dives deep into the intricacies of impatience and leadership. In a live coaching session, she helps unpack the host's struggles with urgency tied to childhood expectations. They explore how early career experiences shape leadership styles and the importance of separating personal identity from work-imposed patterns. Mary Pat emphasizes the need for self-awareness and encourages professionals to reframe their beliefs about disappointment to foster growth.

Dave Garcia, a seasoned builder and operator with nearly 20 years of experience, explores how external factors like immigration and inflation shape workplace culture. He discusses the ripple effects of immigration on belonging and loyalty, while emphasizing leaders’ responsibilities to foster safety and predictability for employees. Garcia also dives into the impact of global crises on workplace dynamics and advises companies on navigating employee anxiety in turbulent times. His insights stress the importance of empathy and coherent values in organizational leadership.

It’s that time of year again: spooky season! Which means Jessica Winder is back, I’ve got my pumpkin cold brew, and we’re diving headfirst into the terrifying (and somehow hilarious) world of HR horror stories.  From mysterious “sick leaves” to love spells gone wrong, these are the tales that make you question how any of us still have jobs.  Fair warning: if you thought your HR nightmares were bad…buckle up! 👻 Teamtailor is the fun, intuitive ATS that candidates actually like and recruiters don’t dread opening on Monday mornings. Create branded career sites, automate the boring stuff, and give candidates the hiring experience they dream of  — without burning out your team. Check them out here. 0:00:57 - HR Horror Stories Intro 0:01:44 - Story One: Hit List Hotline 0:04:44 - Story Two: The Sick Leave That Wasn’t 0:07:26 - Story Three: The Extermination Incident 0:13:51 - Story Four: The Baby Onesie Stalker 0:22:09 - Story Five: The Lady in White 0:26:50 - Story Six: Love Spells and Employee Relations 0:26:50 - Story Seven: The Catastrophic Security Breach And if you love I Hate It Here, sign up to Hebba’s newsletter! It’s for jaded, overworked, and emotionally burnt-out HR/People Operations professionals needing a little inspiration. https://workweek.com/discover-newsletters/i-hate-it-here-newsletter/   And if you love the podcast, be sure to check out  https://www.youtube.com/@ihateit-here for even more exclusive insider content!   Follow Jessica: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jessicadwinder/   Follow Hebba:  YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ihateit-here/videos LinkedIn: https://linkedin.com/in/hebba-youssef Twitter: https://twitter.com/hebbamyoussef

Motherhood at work.  Just saying that out loud makes my blood pressure spike a little, not gonna lie! Because being a mom already feels like the challenge of a lifetime, and then you add performance reviews, “flexibility” that’s anything but, and coworkers who suddenly forget how calendars work when daycare pickup time hits? It’s all mess!  But motherhood also changes how folks lead, empathize, and show up, in ways that deserve way more respect than they get.  This week, I sat down with Erin Grau, co-founder of Charter, to talk about the real cost (and quiet power) of being a mom at work, and what needs to change if we actually want to keep them there. 0:03:32 - One Part of Life Outside of Work That Shapes How You Show up at Work 0:06:16 - The Real Cost of Motherhood in the Workplace 0:09:06 - Has Erin Felt the Penalty of Being a Mom at Work Before? 0:13:51 - How Erin Changed When She Returned to Work After Becoming a Mother 0:21:50 - Why Does the Data Show that Moms Earn Less and Get Promoted Less Than Their Peers? 0:27:15 - How Performance Review and Manager Biases Play Into Motherhood 0:30:16 - One Company Policy That Can Change the Game for Mothers 0:38:28 - How Leaders Can Retain Working Mothers 0:45:17 - How Coworkers Can Foster Better Environments 0:53:27 - A Future of Work Designed With Moms at the Center Teamtailor is the fun, intuitive ATS that candidates actually like and recruiters don’t dread opening on Monday mornings. Create branded career sites, automate the boring stuff, and give candidates the hiring experience they dream of  — without burning out your team. Check them out ⁠here. ⁠ And if you love I Hate It Here, sign up to Hebba’s newsletter! It’s for jaded, overworked, and emotionally burnt-out HR/People Operations professionals needing a little inspiration. https://workweek.com/discover-newsletters/i-hate-it-here-newsletter/   And if you love the podcast, be sure to check out  https://www.youtube.com/@ihateit-here for even more exclusive insider content!   Follow Erin: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/eringrau/ Follow Hebba:  YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ihateit-here/videos LinkedIn: https://linkedin.com/in/hebba-youssef Twitter: https://twitter.com/hebbamyoussef

In this engaging discussion, Stephanie Shuler, a seasoned HR leader with over 15 years of experience, explores the nuances of HR policies and the gray areas often overlooked. She highlights how strict adherence to policies can sometimes lead to harm, advocating for a more nuanced approach. Shuler emphasizes the importance of balancing consistency with fairness and the need for transparency, especially when dealing with CEOs stuck in 'by-the-book' thinking. She also stresses HR's role as a translator of policy intent, sharing insights on when rule-bending can actually foster a better workplace culture.

Being the only at work isn’t just lonely, it’s heavy.  It’s the unspoken pressure of carrying an entire group on your back while still trying to do your actual job, all while dodging microaggressions and pretending you don’t notice the side-eyes in meetings. Been there too many times! In this episode, I sat down with Amina Gass to name the emotional labor that underrepresented folks shoulder every day, and we talk about how allyship, mentorship, and how genuine inclusion can make the difference between burnout and belonging. 0:02:05 - One Hard Truth About Work 0:05:02 - What Being the “Only” Feels Like in the Workplace 0:09:23 - How Emotional Labor Shows up for Women of Color vs Their Peers 0:15:18 - How Microaggressions Compound the Experience of Loneliness Over Time 0:29:30 - Myths About Representation That Should be Debunked 0:31:54 - What Does Support Look Like Beyond Token Gestures? 0:44:44 - If Orgs Were Serious About Change, What Would Look Different Tomorrow? Choosing the wrong HR platform is rife with regrets: losing a top performer, promoting the wrong person, or failing to engage your team when the business needs it most. Fortunately, you don’t have to choose between investing in people programs and consolidating your tech stack. With Lattice, you can have both. Visit ⁠⁠⁠lattice.com⁠⁠⁠ to learn more. And if you love I Hate It Here, sign up to Hebba’s newsletter! It’s for jaded, overworked, and emotionally burnt-out HR/People Operations professionals needing a little inspiration. https://workweek.com/discover-newsletters/i-hate-it-here-newsletter/   And if you love the podcast, be sure to check out  https://www.youtube.com/@ihateit-here for even more exclusive insider content!   Follow Amina: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/aminagass/ Follow Hebba:  YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ihateit-here/videos LinkedIn: https://linkedin.com/in/hebba-youssef Twitter: https://twitter.com/hebbamyoussef

If you’re still debating whether HR deserves a seat at the table, let me save you the suspense:  Your seat is already cemented there.  Hell, depending on the day, it might even be a throne! And today, I’ve got Ana King, CPO at SAPI, joining me to dig into this hard truth.  With experience at Twilio, Trainline, and Google, Ana knows firsthand that no leadership meeting should ever happen without the leaders in the room, and that includes People Leaders. We’re not support, we’re strategy. And if your exec team hasn’t figured that out yet…buckle up. 0:01:25 - One Hard Truth About Work 0:04:56 - Why No Leadership Meeting Should Happen Without Leadership in the Room 0:07:35 - Why Does HR Even Need to Earn a Seat at the Table? 0:11:27 - The Consequences of the “Earn It” Narrative 0:16:03 - A Time When Excluding People Leaders Backfired 0:19:21 - The Direct Link Between a Strong People Leader in the C-Suite and Commercial Success 0:21:50 - Why HR is a Strategic Partner, Not Just a Support Function 0:25:40 - What Separates Modern Leaders Today from Traditional Head of HR Roles 0:30:27 - Balancing Being an Employee Advocate and Being Accountable to the Business 0:36:22 - Why HR Sees Things That Nobody Else Can See in an Org  0:40:51 - How AI Will Reshape Everything We Do 0:47:07 - Ana’s Vision of the C-Suite of the Future Choosing the wrong HR platform is rife with regrets: losing a top performer, promoting the wrong person, or failing to engage your team when the business needs it most. Fortunately, you don’t have to choose between investing in people programs and consolidating your tech stack. With Lattice, you can have both. Visit ⁠⁠lattice.com⁠⁠ to learn more. And if you love I Hate It Here, sign up to Hebba’s newsletter! It’s for jaded, overworked, and emotionally burnt-out HR/People Operations professionals needing a little inspiration. https://workweek.com/discover-newsletters/i-hate-it-here-newsletter/   And if you love the podcast, be sure to check out  https://www.youtube.com/@ihateit-here for even more exclusive insider content!   Follow Ana: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/anastancu/  Follow Hebba:  YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ihateit-here/videos LinkedIn: https://linkedin.com/in/hebba-youssef Twitter: https://twitter.com/hebbamyoussef

Hard truth: work wasn’t built for all of us to thrive.  Neurodivergent folks seem to deal with a lot of norms when they aren’t the problem—the systems are.  I’m joined by Tameka Allen, founder of ModCulture and all-around brilliance-unlocker, to talk about how workplace “norms” actually exclude, alienate, and erase so many people.  From the myth of “professionalism” to the way orgs treat neurodivergence as a personal issue instead of a design flaw, we’re pulling no punches.  If you’ve ever side-eyed a workplace policy and thought, “who is this even for?” this one’s for you! 0:01:55 - One Hard Truth About Work 0:02:57 - What Does Being Neurodivergent Mean? 0:05:43 - A Workplace Norm We’ve Accepted as Normal that Wasn’t Built With Neurodivergent People in Mind 0:10:28 - Why Orgs Treat Neurodiversity Like a Personal Issue Instead of a Systems Issue 0:26:19 - How Does Professionalism Become a Code Word For Conformity and Masking? 0:35:02 - Workplace “Norms” to be Aware of That Alienate Employees 0:46:13 - Myths About Neurodivergence at Work That Need to End 0:50:23 - What Would an Ideal Workplace Look Like? Choosing the wrong HR platform is rife with regrets: losing a top performer, promoting the wrong person, or failing to engage your team when the business needs it most. Fortunately, you don’t have to choose between investing in people programs and consolidating your tech stack. With Lattice, you can have both. Visit ⁠⁠lattice.com⁠⁠ to learn more. And if you love I Hate It Here, sign up to Hebba’s newsletter! It’s for jaded, overworked, and emotionally burnt-out HR/People Operations professionals needing a little inspiration. https://workweek.com/discover-newsletters/i-hate-it-here-newsletter/   And if you love the podcast, be sure to check out  https://www.youtube.com/@ihateit-here for even more exclusive insider content!   Follow Tameka: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tamekanallen/ Follow Hebba:  YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ihateit-here/videos LinkedIn: https://linkedin.com/in/hebba-youssef Twitter: https://twitter.com/hebbamyoussef