

Profit First for Lawyers
Team RJon | RJon Robins
The Profit First for Lawyers podcast is the companion show to the book, Profit First for Lawyers by RJon Robins. The goal of the book and podcast are to empower lawyers with practical and actionable information to help them improve their lives by putting their family, their firm, and their Profits First.
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Jun 21, 2025 • 2min
Profit First for Lawyers Season Trailer

Feb 15, 2024 • 45min
Bonus 2 of 2: The Managing Partners Podcast with RJon Robins
This bonus episode of the Profit First For Lawyers podcast was originally featured on The Managing Partners Podcast hosted by Kevin Daisey. This interview with RJon Robins is the second in a two-part series. Part one of the series can be heard on Apple Podcasts or Spotify and watched on YouTube.
The Definition of a Successful Law Firm
RJon picks up the conversation from last week’s episode by discussing How To MANAGE a Small Law Firm’s definition of a successful law firm – one that serves the owner in at least three ways:
It must serve you financially by providing enough income to live the lifestyle you want.
It must serve you professionally by giving you a platform to make a positive impact and work with people you enjoy.
It must serve you personally by running efficiently so you can step away confidently.
Hiring The Right People
RJon focuses on the importance of hiring experienced lawyers who can hit the ground running, rather than lower cost inexperienced lawyers who require more training. The cost of onboarding and potential turnover make hiring experienced lawyers more profitable in the short and long term. As part of a path to overall growth, RJon also emphasizes the importance for law firms to support their team members’ personal and professional goals.
The Profit First for Lawyers Book
RJon provides an overview of his new book Profit First for Lawyers, which he wrote as a rallying cry for law firm owners to put their profits first. He explains that even if you’ve read the Profit First book by Mike Michalowicz, this book builds on the Profit First methodology with specific applications and insights for lawyers. He walks through the table of contents touching on key topics like why CPAs may resist Profit First, how GAAP accounting standards differ from law firm needs, tracking Total Owner Benefits, and more.
Key Takeaways
The Profit First methodology offers a unique framework for financial management in the legal industry.
Successful law firms should aim for growth that benefits owners personally, professionally, and financially.
Strategic hiring and investing in experienced professionals, can significantly enhance firm profitability, service delivery, and efficiency.
Hiring superstar staff and graduating employees demonstrates a healthy, growth-oriented culture.
Small boosts in law firm profitability can translate to more free time and improved quality of life.
Links
How To MANAGE a Small Law Firm https://howtomanageasmalllawfirm.com
The Managing Partners Podcast with RJon Robins Ep 281 https://thisisarray.com/managing-partners-podcast/episode-281-rjon-robins
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Feb 8, 2024 • 53min
BONUS 1 of 2: The Managing Partners Podcast with RJon Robins
This bonus episode of the Profit First For Lawyers podcast was originally featured on The Managing Partners Podcast hosted by Kevin Daisey. This interview with RJon Robins is the first in a two-part series.
Redefining Success
RJon shares his transformative journey from financial adversity to profitability. This episode focuses on the critical mindset shift law firm owners should embrace as entrepreneurial professionals who sell legal services. RJon’s insights into ethical profitability and strategic business management serve as a guide for law firms seeking sustained growth and success. Look for the second episode of the two-part series next week.
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Key Takeaways
The simplicity of running a law firm with the right processes and mindset
How To MANAGE a Small Law Firm is for entrepreneurial law firm owners
The ethical obligation of law firm owners to market their services and the importance of running a profitable law firm
The marketing and profit misconception
The transformative impact law firm owners experience when adopting the entrepreneurial mindset
Big News
A new season of the Profit First For Lawyers is coming soon! Be sure to subscribe to the podcast to get the latest episodes the moment they are released. Visit https://profitfirstforlawyers.com/subscribe
Links Mentioned
How To MANAGE a Small Law Firm https://howtomanage.com
The Managing Partners Podcast https://thisisarray.com/managing-partners-podcast/episode-280-rjon-robins
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Nov 30, 2023 • 31min
Our Promise To You
The curtain closes on a sensational season for the Profit First For Lawyers podcast. We thank you for joining us each week for episodes filled with actionable insights.
This podcast was launched in advance of the Profit First For Lawyers book publish date. All while RJon was in Paris. The surprise reveal about the podcast to RJon at the July Live Quarterly Meeting (LQM) made for some fun moments on stage.
RJon in Paris
In a never before seen video from Paris, RJon filmed his experience at a chocolatier. In true RJon fashion, a cup of hot chocolate turned into an insightful teaching moment.
Team RJon Favorite Moments
As we wrap-up the season we sat down and spoke with members of Team RJon who shared their favorite moments. We also look back on the promises and goals we had for the podcast when it launched in June 2023.
Blooper Reel
Putting together a podcast with Team RJon and featured guests from distances near and far made for informative and sometimes humorous moments captured on video.
Links Mentioned
Live Quarterly Meeting (How To Manage A Small Law Firm event)
Killing Your Ego (ep 8)
Procrastination & Your Favorite Ice Cream Flavor (ep 10)
Lina’s bonus video
Listen to From The Vault featuring a robust archive of RJon content
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Nov 28, 2023 • 35min
Profit First – More Than Just A Book
Mike Michalowicz, author of Profit First and co-founder of Profit First Professionals talks all things Profit First.
Mike shares the story behind Profit First, which he developed after nearly losing everything when his business collapsed. This experience prompted him to study what makes companies profitable. His revelation? Apply the same personal finance “pay yourself first” principle to business finances.
Thus, Profit First was born. Now over 800,000 companies use Mike’s approach of taking a percentage off the top for profit before paying business operating expenses. Mike simplifies profitability to this truth – you must be profitable to get out of debt. Taking profit first builds momentum and fuels growth.
Mike’s 3 Profit First Tips
Beyond emphasizing mindset shifts, Mike provides three tactical tips for getting started with Profit First:
Start slow and let it grow: Begin with just 1% of income to build habits over time
Use your existing bank: You must see Profit First working
Reach for potential: Look at fiscally elite performers in your industry and aim higher
Ludicrous Speed
We share the forward from Profit First For Lawyers written and read by Mike Michalowicz about an experience he had with RJon and a Tesla.
Links Mentioned
Small Law Firm Bookkeeping That Does Not Suck
How To Manage A Small Law Firm
Episode 16 Profit First For Lawyers Interview with Ron & Julie Pollack
Mike Michalowicz | www.MikeMotorbike.com
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Nov 23, 2023 • 13min
Profit In All Areas of Your Life
As we approach the end of the season, we look back on RJon’s promise to readers of his book Profit First For Lawyers.
“If you implement what I’m going to be sharing with you in this book, your law firm will definitely become more profitable.”
RJon Robins, Profit First For Lawyers, Chapter 1
Personal Impact and Professional Benefits
In this episode, Karli speaks with law firm owners who share personal and professional results after implementing Profit First. We hear from lawyers new to Profit First and lawyers who have followed Profit First principles for years.
Personally, many saw profits accumulate into substantial savings. Others took dream trips or were able to profitably transition to remote work so they could spend more meaningful time with family.
Professionally, featured lawyers grew revenues exponentially in months or saw consistent monthly profits after years of breaking even. A few shared how this newfound profitability has given them more confidence and peace of mind. All shared how Profit First changed both their business and personal lives.
To see each of the lawyers featured in this episode visit our podcast on YouTube.
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Nov 21, 2023 • 45min
Enjoy The Suck
This episode packed with Profit First insights features Ron Saharyan, co-founder of the Profit First Professionals. Ron shares practical insights about Profit First fundamentals. He gives actionable tips for law firm owners who want to build a healthy, sustainable, and profitable business by following the Profit First methodology.
We also hear about how Ron’s childhood friendship with Profit First author, Mike Michalowicz turned into the Profit First Professionals which is approaching a 10-year milestone.
“Profit First does not care what your current financial situation is. It is a framework that will allow you to build the financial muscle memory to help you get out of that financial situation and also prevent you from falling back into it.”
Ron Saharyan Co-FounderProfit First Professionals
Key Takeaways
Start Small: Begin by scrutinizing your P&L to find 3-10% you can allocate to profit.
Enjoy the Suck: Reversing years of financial processes and mindset will take time. Be prepared for an adjustment period.
Get Support: Lean on your support system (like How To Manage A Small Law Firm) for guidance and answers to your questions.
RJon in the Studio
RJon shares his own Profit First journey from nearly going under to running a multi-million dollar business. He explains in a Facebook Live clip why the typical excuse of “I’ll begin Profit First once I become profitable” is invalid – Profit First principles lead to profitability.
Resources & Links
Profit First Professionals
Grow My Accounting Practice Podcast episode featuring RJon Robins
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Nov 16, 2023 • 38min
Just Grow Up
In this episode, we have a candid conversation with Marie Drake who shares the story behind why she became a lawyer, her family law practice, and her “No B.S. Divorce” model. She also talks about how a colleague’s drastic transformation led Marie to attend a Live Quarterly Meeting and join How To MANAGE a Small Law Firm four years ago. Marie has embraced Profit First and found RJon’s win-win model works well within her law firm. She advises young lawyers to explore several specialties before selecting one practice area.
RJon in the Studio
RJon talks about why being profitable professionally and personally is equally important as being profitable financially. He shares the story of “boat days” which produced invaluable business insight and personal satisfaction despite there being more lucrative ways to spend four days. RJon contends that the value he received far outweighed what he would have earned speaking on stages or hosting a workshop. Which illustrates his model of alignment between professional, personal, and financial success.
Resources & Links
Oscar Ferenczi: Ep 28 Does Your Accountant Have An Entrepreneurial Mindset?
The Power of TED by David Emerald
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Nov 14, 2023 • 8min
Are You A Sucky Client?
In this revealing episode, RJon flips the script and calls out lawyers who may be sucky clients to their bookkeepers.
RJon in the Studio
In Chapter 16 of the Profit First for Lawyers book, RJon compares the attributes of disengaged legal clients to how some lawyers treat their bookkeepers.
From showing up late (or not at all) to meetings and expecting their lawyers to read their minds to shirking responsibility or not participating meaningfully in their case. These clients can be the most challenging to work with due to their lack of commitment and attention. Typically these are the same clients who often do not get the best outcomes.
RJon challenges listeners to take a look at their actions with their bookkeeper. Are they attentive and responsive to their bookkeeper’s questions? Are they an active participant ensuring their bookkeeper has what they need to complete financial reports accurately?
RJon reminds us that the purpose of bookkeeping is to provide a historical record for both tax purposes and to inform on strategic financial decisions going forward. So to avoid being your bookkeeper’s “sucky client” be proactive and clear in your communication.
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Nov 9, 2023 • 10min
Is Your Household Your Law Firm’s Bank?
This podcast delves into the issue of law firm owners using household money for business expenses, labeled as a form of embezzlement. A lawyer shares struggles of starting a new firm and how implementing Profit First strategies transformed her business. The discussion emphasizes the importance of restructuring finances and paying oneself as a business owner.


