
The New Rules of Business
On the “New Rules of Business,” Chief Co-Founders Carolyn Childers and Lindsay Kaplan join the brightest minds in business and academia to unravel complex trends and challenge preconceived notions of what leadership should look like. Learn how to lead when the old rules just don’t apply.
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Nov 22, 2022 • 2min
Coming Soon: Season 3 of The New Rules of Business
Stay tuned for an all-new season of the New Rules of Business from Chief, the most powerful network of women executives. This season, Chief Co-Founders Carolyn Childers and Lindsay Kaplan dig into complex leadership issues such as whether we can go too far in the pursuit of equity, the most damaging thinking traps for executives, and what the future holds for leadership archetypes. They’ll be joined by the best minds in business and academia including Yale Professor Woo-Kyoung Ahn, author Erica Dhawan, GDIT President Amy Gilliland, astronaut and former NASA Director Ellen Ochoa, and more.

Sep 6, 2022 • 35min
Is a Portfolio Career the New Professional Peak?
When you’ve reached what feels like a career apex, it can be difficult to know what to pursue after. But, what if you didn’t have to pick just one lane? Increasingly, top executives are creating portfolio careers with multiple roles and income streams. Carolyn and Lindsay talk with Joanna Coles, former Chief Content Officer at Hearst Magazines, about how leaders can design what comes next.Continue the conversation on LinkedIn and, if you’re interested in joining the Chief network, apply to be a member at Chief.com. This episode is presented by Fidelity. Note: This episode contains explicit language.

Aug 30, 2022 • 41min
Are You Code-Switching Without Realizing It?
We all make investments in our professional selves. But for some, it costs a lot more than a tailored suit and an MBA degree to be taken seriously. People in marginalized groups often invest significant time and attention into code-switching — that is, changing themselves to meet the corporate ideal. Is it worth it? Carolyn and Lindsay talk with Courtney McCluney, Assistant Professor of Organizational Behavior at Cornell University, about the hidden costs of code-switching — both for the leaders who do it and for the organizations that make it the norm.Continue the conversation on LinkedIn and, if you’re interested in joining the Chief network, apply to be a member at Chief.com. This episode is presented by Fidelity.

Aug 23, 2022 • 34min
Why Do Women’s Voices Get Critiqued More Than Men’s?
Every executive has been coached on their public speaking at one point or another in their leadership journey. But has all the advice about removing vocal fry and avoiding hedged phrases actually made you sound less authoritative but more like a straight white man? Carolyn and Lindsay talk to Samara Bay, vocal coach and author of "Permission to Speak", about the new rules of public speaking and how women and people of color can use their natural voice to command the room. Continue the conversation on LinkedIn and, if you’re interested in joining the Chief network, apply to be a member at Chief.com. This episode is presented by Fidelity.

Aug 16, 2022 • 33min
A Leader’s Reputation Is Made During a Crisis. Are You Ready?
Leaders know to never waste a good crisis. But the true art is figuring out the how. Carolyn and Lindsay talk to Ken Chenault, Chairman and Managing Director of General Catalyst, about how he built his reputation on shepherding American Express through some of the biggest crises of our time — and left a lasting legacy with 17 years as CEO.Continue the conversation on LinkedIn and, if you’re interested in joining the Chief network, apply to be a member at Chief.com. This episode is presented by Fidelity.

Aug 9, 2022 • 23min
Can Crypto Still Close the Wealth Gap?
For years, cryptocurrency has been a hot topic among investors, coworkers, celebrities, and even down-the-street neighbors. But, given recent market volatility, is digital currency still a viable option? And should people of color, who’ve viewed crypto as an entry into wealth-building, continue to trust it as an investment vehicle? Lindsay talks to blockchain engineer and data scientist Tavonia Evans about the accessibility of crypto and if it still offers a path to closing the wealth gap.Continue the conversation on LinkedIn and, if you’re interested in joining the Chief network, apply to be a member at Chief.com.

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Aug 2, 2022 • 38min
Multitasking Is a Lie. Have Women Been Duped Into Doing It All?
So much of America’s social safety net has been built on top of women’s unpaid labor. And while we know traditional gender roles still persist, how much have they contributed to the gender gap at work? Is it possible that to achieve true gender equity in the workplace, women must first achieve it in the home? Eve Rodsky, author and producer of the documentary “Fair Play” explores this question as she unpacks the true cost — and impact — of women bearing the household mental load. Continue the conversation on LinkedIn and, if you’re interested in joining the Chief network, apply to be a member at Chief.com. Note: This episode contains explicit language.

Jul 26, 2022 • 33min
Is Corporate Activism Redefining What It Means to Be a Leader?
The pandemic has disrupted how we live and work — and the lines in between have never been blurrier. Is the role of the executive changing as calls for corporate activism continue to swell? Carolyn and Lindsay talk with Alan Murray, CEO of Fortune Media and author of "Tomorrow’s Capitalist: My Search for the Soul of Business", about how we got here and what leaders can do now to wade into socio-political issues — without drowning. Continue the conversation on LinkedIn and, if you’re interested in joining the Chief network, apply to be a member at Chief.com.

Jul 19, 2022 • 31min
Getting From a Great Idea to a Billion-Dollar Valuation
Only one out of every 1.6 million startups is estimated to achieve unicorn status. Laela Sturdy, General Partner at CapitalG and lead investor of Chief’s Series B, talks to Carolyn and Lindsay about the defining characteristics of billion-dollar companies and what entrepreneurs and business leaders alike should consider when scaling for growth.Continue the conversation on LinkedIn and if you’re interested in joining the Chief network, apply to be a member at Chief.com.

Jul 12, 2022 • 38min
Is Niceness the New Red Flag for Toxic Culture?
Can niceness be the veneer that hides a toxic work culture? Are women-led businesses the most at risk? In this episode, Carolyn and Lindsay talk with Sheila Heen and Debbie Goldstein from Triad Consulting on stripping away the niceties. Continue the conversation on LinkedIn and if you’re interested in joining the Chief network, apply to be a member at Chief.com.
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