
SaaS Backwards - Reverse Engineering SaaS Success
Join us as we interview CEOs and CMOs of fast-growing SaaS firms to reveal what they are doing that’s working, and lessons learned from things that didn’t work as planned. These deep conversations dive into the dynamic world of SaaS B2B marketing, go-to-market strategies, and the SaaS business model. Content focuses on the pragmatic as well as strategic, providing a well-rounded diet for those running SaaS firms today. Hosted by Ken Lempit, Austin Lawrence Group’s president and chief business builder, who brings over 30 years of experience and expertise in helping software companies grow and their founders achieve their visions.
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May 17, 2024 • 34min
Ep. 123 - Mastering SaaS Growth: Insights from a Fractional CMO - With Amy Osmond Cook, Co-Founder & CMO at Fullcast
In SaaS companies, there’s a need for sales and marketing teams to work together closely toward common goals and understand each other’s perspectives.Amy Osmond Cook, co-founder and CMO at Fullcast recognizes this need. Fullcast’s platform ensures all teams can access the same data to establish seamless communication and strategic alignment, eliminating revenue pain points and improving overall business efficiency.In this episode, Amy shares her journey from running a marketing agency to co-founding Fullcast and her experience as a woman in the C-Suite, offering advice to her younger self and women executives.Amy also dives into her extensive experiences as a fractional CMO and the advantages it offers SaaS startups, such as cost-effectiveness, flexibility, and the ability to scale operations up or down as needed.This episode is ideal for SaaS CEOs, CMOs, and startup founders looking to optimize their revenue operations, align sales and marketing efforts, and gain insights into the benefits of fractional CMO leadership.Key takeaways from this episode:The positive impact of effective revenue operations on SaaS companiesHow effective marketing in early stages can accelerate growth and ensure long-term success for SaaS startupsThe importance of perseverance and adaptability for women in leadership positionsOther resources to check out:Interview with Vinay Bhagat, Founder and CEO of TrustRadius who publishes a yearly report about how B2B buyer behavior is changing.The Lead Gen Mistake I Guarantee You’re Making – how to create content that better identifies intent from today’s b2b buyer.And, if you want an outside look at your content with actionable advice, take advantage of our Content Audit. Valued at $20K in free consulting.---Not Getting Enough Demos? Your messaging could be turning buyers away before you even get a chance to pitch. 🔗 Get a Free Messaging & Conversion Review We’ll analyze your website and content through the eyes of your buyers to uncover what’s stopping them from booking a demo. Then, we’ll give you a personalized report with practical recommendations to help you turn more visitors into sales conversations. And the best part? 💡 It’s completely free. No commitments, no pressure—just actionable advice to help you book more demos. Your next demo is just a click away—claim your free review now.

May 10, 2024 • 35min
Ep. 122 - From SaaS Startup to Restaurant Revolution - with Dave Dittenber, CEO & Co-Founder of BYOD
Building a strong foundation is essential for long-term business success, especially when faced with unexpected challenges. We spoke with Dave Dittenber, Co-Founder and CEO of BYOD, who faced the ultimate challenge with the unexpected passing of his Co-Founder, Frank Luijckx. He recounts the loss and emphasizes how Frank’s forward-thinking and meticulous planning had a lasting positive impact on the business’s trajectory and contributed to its continued success.In this episode, Dave shares his remarkable journey from starting as a dishwasher at age 12 to becoming the CEO of a cutting-edge AI SaaS company that powers Mabel, the first virtual restaurant assistant. He also provides personal insights into the challenges and strategies of funding a tech startup, stressing the importance of prudent financial planning and maintaining investor confidence through transparency and strategic growth.This episode provides CEOs and CMOs in the SaaS industry insights into the challenges faced by restaurant operators, the importance of leveraging technology to improve operations, strategies for accelerating growth and enhancing profitability, and valuable lessons on funding, sales, and navigating through tough times in business. Key takeaways from this episode:How active participation in industry associations offers key insights, connections, and mentorship for software entrepreneursHow transparency with investors helps build trust and drive business growthThe importance of thorough documentation, recovery plans, and strategic playbooksOther resources to check out:Interview with Vinay Bhagat, Founder and CEO of TrustRadius who publishes a yearly report about how B2B buyer behavior is changing.The Lead Gen Mistake I Guarantee You’re Making – how to create content that better identifies intent from today’s b2b buyer.And, if you want an outside look at your content with actionable advice, take advantage of our Content Audit. Valued at $20K in free consulting.---Not Getting Enough Demos? Your messaging could be turning buyers away before you even get a chance to pitch. 🔗 Get a Free Messaging & Conversion Review We’ll analyze your website and content through the eyes of your buyers to uncover what’s stopping them from booking a demo. Then, we’ll give you a personalized report with practical recommendations to help you turn more visitors into sales conversations. And the best part? 💡 It’s completely free. No commitments, no pressure—just actionable advice to help you book more demos. Your next demo is just a click away—claim your free review now.

May 3, 2024 • 37min
Ep. 121 - The Art of the Exit: SaaS Strategies and Insights - with Jeremy Lessaris, CEO of Payment Brokers
Building a business with the intention of a future sale requires meticulous planning and organization from the outset. In this episode, Payment Brokers Founder and CEO Jeremy Lessaris, a serial founder with multiple successful exits, emphasizes the importance of the early organization of books, records, contracts, and agreements as a critical factor in boosting valuation and streamlining the exit process.Jeremy also stresses the significance of maintaining a well-organized data room for due diligence during a business sale. He recommends creating a dashboard with KPIs and metrics to provide a clear overview of the company's performance and demonstrate the business's progress to potential buyers.Throughout this episode, Jeremy explains how SaaS entrepreneurs can position their companies for a seamless exit process and maximize their valuation when it comes time to sell.This episode is ideal for SaaS CEOs and CMOs seeking strategies for accelerating growth, enhancing profitability, and understanding the importance of building a business with a focus on revenue and profitability from the start.Key takeaways from this episode:Focusing on revenue generation early Keeping costs low while striving to reach revenue milestonesThe value of mentorship in helping entrepreneurs navigate business challengesOther resources to check out:Interview with Vinay Bhagat, Founder and CEO of TrustRadius who publishes a yearly report about how B2B buyer behavior is changing.The Lead Gen Mistake I Guarantee You’re Making – how to create content that better identifies intent from today’s b2b buyer.And, if you want an outside look at your content with actionable advice, take advantage of our Content Audit. Valued at $20K in free consulting.---Not Getting Enough Demos? Your messaging could be turning buyers away before you even get a chance to pitch. 🔗 Get a Free Messaging & Conversion Review We’ll analyze your website and content through the eyes of your buyers to uncover what’s stopping them from booking a demo. Then, we’ll give you a personalized report with practical recommendations to help you turn more visitors into sales conversations. And the best part? 💡 It’s completely free. No commitments, no pressure—just actionable advice to help you book more demos. Your next demo is just a click away—claim your free review now.

Apr 26, 2024 • 33min
Ep. 120 - The Role of AI in SaaS Solutions: A Deep Dive - with Brandon Most, Head of Marketing at GoLinks
Enterprise search has been around for quite some time, and it often conjures images of outdated intranet searches within the confines of an organization's internal networks.So how do you shift the focus from “old school” methods to a more dynamic, AI-powered approach that connects various applications, enabling intelligent query responses and contextually relevant summaries?That’s the gist of the conversation with Brandon Most, Head of Marketing at GoLinks. In this episode, he also delves into the unique challenges of marketing multiple products with distinct brand identities and how to manage this strategically within the market's shifting dynamics.Overall, this episode covers product-led growth, enterprise search solutions, marketing strategies, analyst relations, and the importance of professional networking. CEOs, CMOs, and professionals in the SaaS industry, especially those interested in innovative marketing approaches, product differentiation, and building strong industry connections, can benefit from Brandon's practical advice and experiences.Key Takeaways from this episode:The transition from a product-led growth model to an enterprise motion, adapting to market changes and budget shifts.The nuances of executing a multi-product marketing strategy and the importance of qualified pipeline metrics over mere volume.The role of peer review sites in generating demand and supporting SEO efforts.Other resources to check out:Interview with Vinay Bhagat, Founder and CEO of TrustRadius who publishes a yearly report about how B2B buyer behavior is changing.The Lead Gen Mistake I Guarantee You’re Making – how to create content that better identifies intent from today’s b2b buyer.And, if you want an outside look at your content with actionable advice, take advantage of our Content Audit. Valued at $20K in free consulting.---Not Getting Enough Demos? Your messaging could be turning buyers away before you even get a chance to pitch. 🔗 Get a Free Messaging & Conversion Review We’ll analyze your website and content through the eyes of your buyers to uncover what’s stopping them from booking a demo. Then, we’ll give you a personalized report with practical recommendations to help you turn more visitors into sales conversations. And the best part? 💡 It’s completely free. No commitments, no pressure—just actionable advice to help you book more demos. Your next demo is just a click away—claim your free review now.

Apr 19, 2024 • 31min
Ep. 119 – How SaaS CROs Can Overcome Challenges and Drive Growth - with Guy Mounier, Co-Founder and CEO of Aptivio
With a startling low average tenure of 18 months, today’s Chief Revenue Officer (CRO) is struggling. The pressure primarily stems from the need to drive growth in a capital-efficient manner. This includes rapidly accelerating revenue growth while managing and optimizing the cost of sales and marketing operations, often within a constrained budget or shifting economic conditions. It's this intense focus on both top-line growth and cost efficiency that’s contributing to the high turnover and short average tenure of CROs, as they must quickly demonstrate success in these areas.So, what can they do about it?In this episode, Guy Mounier, Co-founder and CEO of Aptivio returns to the podcast to talk about:How CROs can gain the visibility they need into their go-to-market motion so they can pull the right leversWhy working with recruiters may help to ensure a company is ready for a CRO before hiringWhat the future sales tech stack and use of AI may look likeSales leaders, especially CROs, looking to improve their organization's revenue growth and profitability can benefit greatly from this episode. The insights shared provide valuable information on how CROs can optimize their go-to-market strategies and leverage technology to drive success in their organizations.Other resources to check out:Interview with Vinay Bhagat, Founder and CEO of TrustRadius who publishes a yearly report about how B2B buyer behavior is changing.The Lead Gen Mistake I Guarantee You’re Making – how to create content that better identifies intent from today’s b2b buyer.And, if you want an outside look at your content with actionable advice, take advantage of our Content Audit. Valued at $20K in free consulting.---Not Getting Enough Demos? Your messaging could be turning buyers away before you even get a chance to pitch. 🔗 Get a Free Messaging & Conversion Review We’ll analyze your website and content through the eyes of your buyers to uncover what’s stopping them from booking a demo. Then, we’ll give you a personalized report with practical recommendations to help you turn more visitors into sales conversations. And the best part? 💡 It’s completely free. No commitments, no pressure—just actionable advice to help you book more demos. Your next demo is just a click away—claim your free review now.

Apr 12, 2024 • 32min
Ep. 118 - Navigating SaaS Growth and Innovation in AI Video - With Jeremy Toeman, Founder of Aug X Labs
We all know video is important to grow exposure, but creating enough is still challenging. The tools are complex, production is expensive, and it can be overwhelming just to come up with ideas.In this episode, Aug X Labs founder Jeremy Toeman talks about his personal frustration with the complex tools just to make basic videos that can be used on websites and in social media posts that led to the creation of the company.And their goal is to make video creation as simple as writing an email. Try it out at meetaugie.comThe platform allows users to generate videos using AI, without facing a blank canvas.But as with most startups, the road has not been a straightforward one, and we discussed the challenges of founding and growing a startup, particularly in the tough fundraising climate of 2023, the launch of ChatGPT, and the collapse of Silicon Valley Bank. Key Takeaways from this episode:How to be prepared for challenges and setbacks in the startup journey and having the stamina to persevereHow Toeman created playbooks to deal with unexpected challengesStaying focused on the core mission of the company despite setbacksThe episode is ideal for SaaS CEOs and CMOs looking to accelerate growth and enhance profitability in their companies. It provides insights into the challenges faced by startups, fundraising strategies, and the use of AI technology in video creation. Other resources to check out:Interview with Vinay Bhagat, Founder and CEO of TrustRadius who publishes a yearly report about how B2B buyer behavior is changing.The Lead Gen Mistake I Guarantee You’re Making – how to create content that better identifies intent from today’s b2b buyer.And, if you want an outside look at your content with actionable advice, take advantage of our Content Audit. Valued at $20K in free consulting.---Not Getting Enough Demos? Your messaging could be turning buyers away before you even get a chance to pitch. 🔗 Get a Free Messaging & Conversion Review We’ll analyze your website and content through the eyes of your buyers to uncover what’s stopping them from booking a demo. Then, we’ll give you a personalized report with practical recommendations to help you turn more visitors into sales conversations. And the best part? 💡 It’s completely free. No commitments, no pressure—just actionable advice to help you book more demos. Your next demo is just a click away—claim your free review now.

Apr 5, 2024 • 32min
Ep. 117 - How SaaS Companies Can Convert 30% More Web Traffic in 90 Days - with Sahil Patel, CEO of Spiralyze
If you went to the doctor for a sore throat and she said, “Last time I had one, this is what helped me get better” versus “I looked at the clinical trial evidence for 5000 people with your symptoms in your age range, geographics, and background,” which of those solutions is more viable?That’s how Sahil Patel, CEO of Spiralyze views the world of A/B testing. Spiralyze crawls and scrapes 34,000 websites that A/B test to find the repeat winners, analyze why they won, and run those same tests for its clients.And the results are impressive–they often demonstrate a 20 to 30 percent lift in conversions from the traffic they’re already getting. Even their homepage message guarantees a 30% conversion lift in 90 days.Having been a client of Spiralyze at his previous company, Patel’s journey as their CEO harkens back to Victor Kiam’s famous 1979 ad boasting that he liked Remington razors so much that he “bought the company.”This episode is ideal for CEOs and CMOs of B2B SaaS companies looking to gain insights on conversion rate optimization, A/B testing, and making specific quantitative claims to attract and convert leads effectively.Key Takeaways from this episode:Is that video on your homepage hero helping you or hurting you?Why an email box next to your demo CTA will convert higher than sending to a landing pageWhy making bold, quantitative, and specific claims on your website will boost your credibilityOther resources to check out:Interview with Vinay Bhagat, Founder and CEO of TrustRadius who publishes a yearly report about how B2B buyer behavior is changing.The Lead Gen Mistake I Guarantee You’re Making – how to create content that better identifies intent from today’s b2b buyer.And, if you want an outside look at your content with actionable advice, take advantage of our Content Audit. Valued at $20K in free consulting.---Not Getting Enough Demos? Your messaging could be turning buyers away before you even get a chance to pitch. 🔗 Get a Free Messaging & Conversion Review We’ll analyze your website and content through the eyes of your buyers to uncover what’s stopping them from booking a demo. Then, we’ll give you a personalized report with practical recommendations to help you turn more visitors into sales conversations. And the best part? 💡 It’s completely free. No commitments, no pressure—just actionable advice to help you book more demos. Your next demo is just a click away—claim your free review now.

Mar 29, 2024 • 30min
Ep. 116 - Leveraging Feedback for SaaS Product Management Success - with Satya Ganni, CEO of Beamer & Userflow
Feedback is not just a tool for improving products, but a strategic asset that can drive growth, innovation, and competitive advantage.In this episode, Satya Ganni, CEO of Beamer and Userflow, explains the importance of feedback in reducing churn in product-led SaaS companies. Feedback provides valuable insights into customer needs, preferences, and pain points, which makes it a critical component of product management success. By listening to customer feedback, Beamer is able to identify areas for improvement, prioritize feature development, make informed decisions about product strategy, reduce churn, and drive success.Actively soliciting and incorporating customer feedback can also help companies ensure that their products meet their target audience's needs and continuously improve to stay ahead of the competition.Additionally, Satya discusses the recent merger of Beamer and Userflow, two product adoption and engagement platforms for product-led SaaS companies, to create a leading platform in their industry.This episode includes insights on customer feedback, reducing churn, and the key pillars of PLG, making it valuable for entrepreneurs and executives looking to enhance their product adoption and engagement strategies in the SaaS industry.Key takeaways from this episode:The challenges and opportunities of merging Beamer and UserflowThe foundational pillars that product-led SaaS companies should prioritize to achieve successHow addressing churn factors helps retain customers and build long-term relationshipsOther resources to check out:Interview with Vinay Bhagat, Founder and CEO of TrustRadius who publishes a yearly report about how B2B buyer behavior is changing.The Lead Gen Mistake I Guarantee You’re Making – how to create content that better identifies intent from today’s b2b buyer.And, if you want an outside look at your content with actionable advice, take advantage of our Content Audit. Valued at $20K in free consulting.---Not Getting Enough Demos? Your messaging could be turning buyers away before you even get a chance to pitch. 🔗 Get a Free Messaging & Conversion Review We’ll analyze your website and content through the eyes of your buyers to uncover what’s stopping them from booking a demo. Then, we’ll give you a personalized report with practical recommendations to help you turn more visitors into sales conversations. And the best part? 💡 It’s completely free. No commitments, no pressure—just actionable advice to help you book more demos. Your next demo is just a click away—claim your free review now.

Mar 22, 2024 • 36min
Ep. 115 - Data, Combating SaaS Churn, and Increasing Productivity - with Jason Radisson, CEO & Founder of Movo
In this episode, we delved into the transformative power of algorithms in business with Jason Radisson, CEO & founder of Movo, a platform that provides real-time scheduling flexibility and improved workforce management for large companies with frontline workers. Jason recounted his time at Harrah's Entertainment, where they used data to optimize customer interactions and significantly increase profitability over others on the strip. He explains how his background in algorithmic management has influenced his approach to business models. Jason also shares his thoughts on combatting SaaS churn by identifying the root causes and understanding customer behavior to accurately predict and deal with it proactively. This episode covers algorithmic management, churn reduction strategies, the gig economy, and innovative solutions for optimizing workforce management. SaaS CEOs and CMOs interested in understanding the intersection of technology, workforce management, and operational efficiency would find valuable insights in this episode. Key Takeaways from this episode:The importance of modeling and forecasting to drive profitability, especially in the context of reducing churnBuilding models to predict customer behavior to leverage marketing spendThe challenges and opportunities of the gig economyOther resources to check out:Interview with Vinay Bhagat, Founder and CEO of TrustRadius who publishes a yearly report about how B2B buyer behavior is changing.The Lead Gen Mistake I Guarantee You’re Making – how to create content that better identifies intent from today’s b2b buyer.And, if you want an outside look at your content with actionable advice, take advantage of our Content Audit. Valued at $20K in free consulting.---Not Getting Enough Demos? Your messaging could be turning buyers away before you even get a chance to pitch. 🔗 Get a Free Messaging & Conversion Review We’ll analyze your website and content through the eyes of your buyers to uncover what’s stopping them from booking a demo. Then, we’ll give you a personalized report with practical recommendations to help you turn more visitors into sales conversations. And the best part? 💡 It’s completely free. No commitments, no pressure—just actionable advice to help you book more demos. Your next demo is just a click away—claim your free review now.

Mar 15, 2024 • 38min
Ep. 114 - Navigating SaaS Growth: Warmly's Strategic Pivot to Category Creation - with Alan Zhao, Head of Marketing
As a startup with shaky product market fit, prospective customers often want to associate you with a mature category so they can determine where it might fit in their tech stack—or not.But for Warmly, the existing categories represented only a small subset of their capabilities—albeit cheaper than the mature tools.And they couldn’t just settle for being known as "Drift but cheaper.”In this episode, Alan Zhao details his transition from CTO to marketing chief, a move that was pivotal in steering Warmly’s narrative away from established market constructs and taking control over the narrative that would differentiate itself from the myriad of sales tools on the market.This episode is ideal for SaaS CEOs and CMOs looking to accelerate growth and enhance profitability through autonomous revenue orchestration and AI chat solutions.Other key takeaways from this episode:The pros and cons of “category creation” to set yourself apart from competitorsThe importance of tailoring your message to address specific pain points for each segmentHow to better understand the buyer journey of the 95% of those who visit your website but don’t fill out a formOther resources to check out:Interview with Vinay Bhagat, Founder and CEO of TrustRadius who publishes a yearly report about how B2B buyer behavior is changing.The Lead Gen Mistake I Guarantee You’re Making – how to create content that better identifies intent from today’s b2b buyer.And, if you want an outside look at your content with actionable advice, take advantage of our Content Audit. Valued at $20K in free consulting.---Not Getting Enough Demos? Your messaging could be turning buyers away before you even get a chance to pitch. 🔗 Get a Free Messaging & Conversion Review We’ll analyze your website and content through the eyes of your buyers to uncover what’s stopping them from booking a demo. Then, we’ll give you a personalized report with practical recommendations to help you turn more visitors into sales conversations. And the best part? 💡 It’s completely free. No commitments, no pressure—just actionable advice to help you book more demos. Your next demo is just a click away—claim your free review now.
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