

Free Outside
Jeff Garmire
Welcome to "Free Outside," the ultimate podcast for outdoor enthusiasts! Join me, Jeff Garmire, as I blur the lines between trail running, Fastest Known Times (FKTs), thru-hiking, backpacking, and all endurance. With 20 FKTs under my belt, a book, a movie, and plenty of unconventional experiences, I'm here to share my adventures and insights.
Expect engaging interviews and fun interactions with guests who excel in various ways. Whether we're discussing the art of slowly running through forests, the thrill of a challenging hike, or simply an appreciator of beauty and comedy, here we are.
Expect engaging interviews and fun interactions with guests who excel in various ways. Whether we're discussing the art of slowly running through forests, the thrill of a challenging hike, or simply an appreciator of beauty and comedy, here we are.
Episodes
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Sep 6, 2024 • 1h 14min
How to Run 100 miles, with Joe Corcione
I am racing Wasatch 100 miler, so in this episode, I sit down with Joe Corcione to dive deep into the mindset and strategies that go into running a 100-mile race. We talk about the importance of finishing, even when things don't go as planned, because it's in those tough moments that we build resilience and belief in ourselves. Joe and I cover everything from pre-race prep—like resting the mind and setting intentions—to the race itself, where pacing and celebrating small wins become key.
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We also get into the mental game of ultra running, discussing how to embrace the inevitable pain and unknowns. It's all about accepting the pain as part of the journey and using it as fuel to keep moving forward. We highlight the power of having a strong "why" to push through those tough stages, especially during the night when things get primal and instinctual. And, of course, we talk about the importance of reflecting and celebrating after the race. Joe shares his process of breaking down what went well and what didn't, while I talk about my own post-race routine of sitting in silence and mentally reviewing the race.
Joe opens up about his transformation from an unathletic partygoer to a dedicated ultra runner and coach, and I share a bit about my journey from a lucrative career to pursuing my passion for the outdoors. We wrap up by discussing the importance of exploring different activities to find what truly lights you up and then building that passion over time. Whether you're an experienced ultra runner or just curious about the mindset behind these incredible feats, this episode is packed with insights and inspiration.
Joe Corcione: Podcast, Instagram
takeaways
-Finishing a race, even when it doesn't go as planned, builds resilience and belief in oneself.
-Resting the mind and setting intentions before a race can help maintain focus and reduce anxiety.
-Pacing oneself and celebrating small wins along the way can provide motivation and boost morale.
-Having a positive mindset and embracing the challenges and pain of a long-distance race is crucial for success.
-Having a strong why can help push through the mental and emotional challenges in the later stages of a race.
-Tap into the primal, instinctual energy during the night phase of a race.
-Taking time off and mentally preparing before jumping into the next race is crucial for overall well-being and performance.
-Finding your passion is not about simply discovering it, but rather building it over time by trying out different activities and interests.
-Personal growth and transformation are possible at any age, and it's never too late to pursue your passions.
-Believing in yourself and having the willingness to learn and put in the work are key factors in achieving your goals and finding fulfillment in life.
Sound Bites
"I think there's such value in finishing a race, even when it doesn't go your way, because it just solidifies a belief."
"Accepting the pain with open arms and running with it as if it's a pacer for you."
"Remembering that you have conquered the unknown in the past gives you confidence to push through."
"Using the night as a cue to tap into the primal, instinctual energy and remove yourself from human needs."
Chapters
00:00 Introduction and Mutual Appreciation
04:29 Demystifying the 100-Miler
05:16 Pre-Race Preparation: Resting the Mind and Setting Intentions
10:01 Race Morning and Start: Pacing and Managing Expectations
21:34 Mid-Race Challenges: Embracing Fatigue and Discomfort
24:20 Embracing the Pain and Unknown
32:30 Tapping into Primal Energy During the Night Phase
41:06 The Power of a Strong Why
48:36 Remembering and Celebrating Accomplishments
49:01 Reflection and Celebration After a Race
52:34 Joe's Personal Journey
56:12 Jeff's Journey
01:00:50 Finding Your Passion
01:09:14 Believing in Yourself and Embracing Personal Growth

Sep 2, 2024 • 26min
How to Taper for an Ultramarathon
In this conversation, I discuss the concept of tapering in running, share my personal tapering strategies, and provide tips for preparing for a race or FKT (Fastest Known Time). I also emphasize the importance of having a crew plan, visualizing the race, and making decisions ahead of time.
I highlight the variability of tapering and encourage athletes to find what works best for them. I conclude by mentioning taper tantrums and the need to stay consistent with hydration and nutrition during the taper period.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction and Explanation of Tapering
02:28 Personal Tapering Strategies
06:11 The Importance of a Crew Plan
09:28 Visualization and Mental Preparation
13:38 Consistency in Hydration and Nutrition
24:22 Dealing with Taper Tantrums
takeaways
Tapering involves reducing running volume and intensity in the weeks leading up to a race or FKT.
Each athlete's tapering strategy may vary, and it's important to find what works best for you.
Creating a crew plan and making decisions ahead of time can alleviate stress during the race.
Visualization and mental preparation are key components of a successful taper.
Staying consistent with hydration and nutrition during the taper period is crucial.
Taper tantrums, feeling like you suck at running, are common during the taper period.
Sound Bites
"Tapering basically means you built up all this running volume and you are just coasting into your race."
"Once you know how your body likes to taper and show up on race day morning feeling good, stick with it. That is magic."
"Psychologically, it is a lot of, so I'm a very visual learner. I think we've been through that on the podcast before. I can remember scenes and things in my head."
Keywords: tapering, running, race preparation, crew plan, visualization, decision-making, hydration, nutrition

Aug 30, 2024 • 28min
Ruby Crest Trail Yo-Yo Recap
In this episode of the Free Outside podcast, I’m sharing my experience on the Ruby Crest Trail with Airborne, a stunning 74-mile journey through Nevada’s rugged Ruby Mountains. The trail offers incredible views, from jagged peaks to expansive valleys. But it wasn’t all easy—unexpected snowfall added a serious challenge to the hike, making it both more difficult and more memorable.
takeaways
The Ruby Crest Trail is a beautiful and challenging 74-mile trail in the Wind River Range.
Hiking the trail involves stunning scenery, including lakes and mountain ranges.
Unexpected snowfall can occur even in August, so hikers should be prepared for changing weather conditions.
Jeff also mentions his fantasy football draft and his upcoming race, the Wasatch 100.
Sound Bites
"Let's just dive into the Ruby Crest Trail because it was pretty awesome."
"I did not pack enough, but I was going to be okay."
"We woke up and then in the middle of the night, I'm woken up, waking up? I'm woken, I'm woke waking up."
Chapters
00:00 Introduction and Setting the Stage
02:23 Hiking the Ruby Crest Trail
14:59 Challenges and Unexpected Snowfall
19:04 Repeating Miles and Recommendations
25:29 Conclusion and Fantasy Football Draft
Ruby Crest Trail, hiking, Wind River Range, scenery, challenges, snowfall, fantasy football draft, Wasatch 100

Aug 26, 2024 • 29min
Wonderful World of Wag Bags
A listener asked, so I answered. In this episode, I dive into the not-so-glamorous but absolutely essential topic of wag bags—those portable, sanitary bags we use to pack out human waste in the great outdoors. But don’t worry, I add my own humor and opinions to keep it interesting! Wag bags play a crucial role in responsible outdoor adventure, helping to keep our trails clean. I throw in some wag bag jokes, explore their history and evolution, and emphasize the importance of packing out toilet paper. And of course, I wrap things up with a few wag bag puns for good measure. Tune in for a fun and informative discussion that might just change the way you think about your next bathroom break in the wild!
takeaways
Wag bags are portable, sanitary bags used to pack out human waste when outdoors.
They are an essential part of responsible outdoor adventure and help keep trails clean.
Wag bags have evolved over time and are widely used by backpackers, mountaineers, and other outdoor enthusiasts.
Packing out toilet paper is also important to minimize environmental impact.
Wag bags are a convenient and environmentally friendly solution for waste management in remote areas.
Sound Bites
"Give your wag bag a little nod of appreciation. It's working hard to keep nature's call beautiful."
"Why don't wag bags make good comedians? Because all their jokes are a little down in the dumps."
"The term wag bag is often associated with waste alleviation and gelling."
Chapters
00:00 Introduction and Topic Suggestion
02:24 What is a Wag Bag?
05:43 Benefits and Uses of Wag Bags
08:04 Wag Bags and Leave No Trace Principles
10:28 Packing Out Wag Bags: A Responsible Practice
19:26 History and Evolution of Wag Bags
23:39 Packing Out Toilet Paper
27:01 Wag Bag Puns and Conclusion

Aug 23, 2024 • 50min
Hallucinating in the Philippines, Race Directing, and Trail Running with Aaron Barber
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In this podcast episode, I sit down with Aaron Barber to dive into his experiences in trail running and race directing. We chat about the challenges of racing in extreme heat, like the Circle of Hell and the Phoenician 50k, and explore international events like a hundred in the Philippines.
Aaron shares some wild stories, including his unique hallucination experiences during races and the hurdles of racing in a different culture.
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We also talk about how he got into trail running, his transition from road running and triathlons, and how he made his way into race directing.
Towards the end, we offer tips and advice for anyone looking to break into the trail running industry. We wrap up by discussing the importance of putting runners first and ensuring a positive race experience. I believe trail running will continue to grow, with more competitive races and greater national exposure on the horizon.
takeaways
Aaron Barber shares his experiences in trail running and race directing
He discusses races in extreme heat and international races
Aaron talks about his unique hallucination experiences during races
He explains the challenges of racing in a different culture
Aaron shares how he got into trail running and his transition from road running and triathlons
The episode ends with tips and advice for getting into the trail running industry
Transitioning from one sport to another requires a shift in training mindset and approach.
Volunteering and being involved in the community can lead to opportunities in the outdoor industry.
Race directing involves logistical challenges and the need to prioritize the runner's experience.
Trail running is experiencing growth and may see more competitive races and increased national exposure.
Sound Bites
"The Circle of Hell: A race in Phoenix in July with 110+ degree heat"
"The Phoenician 50k: A brutal race with 11,500 feet of vert in Phoenix"
" A hardcore 100-mile race in the Philippines with 33,000 feet of vert"
"Volunteering, rubbing elbows, saying yes to giving someone a ride back to town. You never know who that's going to be."
"Seeing elites or fast people in general at an aid station is such a huge bonus to runners."
"Everyone shares the same start line and has to run the same route. It's pretty crazy that there's a sport like that."
Chapters
00:00 Racing in Extreme Heat: Circle of Hell and Phoenician 50k
07:10 International Races: in the Philippines
11:55 Hallucination Experiences and Challenges in Trail Running
22:54 Transitioning from Road Running and Triathlons to Trail Running
22:54 Tips and Advice for Getting into the Trail Running Industry
24:49 Transitioning from Triathlon to Trail Running
31:29 Becoming a Race Director
32:57 Dealing with Fires and Route Changes
39:08 Working at Aravipa and the Future of Trail Running
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trail running, race directing, extreme heat, international races, hallucinations, challenges, transition, trail running, race directing, outdoor industry, career advice, challenges, putting runners first, growth, aravipa running, mountain outpost

Aug 19, 2024 • 26min
A Record, Ongoing FKTs, and a Moose while Trail Running
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In this episode, I discuss recent trail running records broken, the importance of running your own race, the concept of working consistently rather than harder, and the upcoming race Montana Meltdown. I also share personal stories of falling, hurting my hands, and encounters with wildlife while running.
takeaways
David Roach broke the 19-year record in the Leadville 100 race.
Running your own race is important in long-distance events.
Jeff Browning is experimenting with low carb fueling in contrast to the high carb trend.
Tara Dower is attempting to set the overall FKT on the Appalachian Trail.
Consistency is key in achieving long-term goals.
The Montana Meltdown race offers an opportunity to push yourself and see how far you can go in a fixed time period.
Sound Bites
"Real-time podcasting: 24-hour turnaround."
"The importance of running your own race."
"Jeff Browning's experiment with low carb fueling."
Chapters
00:00 Introduction and Real-Time Podcasting
01:27 Breaking Records and Running Your Own Race
04:42 The Low Carb Fueling Experiment
07:03 Chasing the Appalachian Trail FKT
17:01 The Power of Consistency
23:07 Pushing Your Limits at the Montana Meltdown
keywords: trail running, records, Leadville 100, FKT, David Roach, running your own race, Jeff Browning, high carb fueling, Tara Dower, Appalachian Trail, consistency, Montana Meltdown

Aug 16, 2024 • 35min
How to get faster, How to train your body, and How to Get Sponsored
Today, we discuss two topics: training philosophy and finding one's career path. I share my insights on training theory, including the importance of different effort levels, the benefits of cold plunges and sauna work, and the progression from least specific to most specific training. I also share my personal journey of finding a career path, which involved exploring different industries, gaining exposure through various projects, valuing interpersonal connections, and giving back.
Takeaways
-Training theory involves different effort levels, from easy to hard, and progresses from least specific to most specific training.
-Cold plunges can be beneficial for recovery, but may skip steps in the recovery process, while sauna work has few drawbacks.
-Finding one's career path involves exploring different industries, gaining exposure through various projects, and valuing interpersonal connections.
-When approaching brands for sponsorship, it's important to show how you can help them sell their products and to have a purpose and plan for the future.
-Giving back and valuing the community and connections in your field can be just as important as having a large audience or impressive accomplishments.
Sound Bites
"Cold plunge can be really good for recovery, but it makes you skip a couple steps."
"Most of your time at that Z1 effort level and then some of it pushing really hard."
"Throw things at the wall and see what sticks."
Chapters
00:00 Exploring Training Philosophy and Theory
09:00 The Benefits and Drawbacks of Cold Plunges and Sauna Work
19:52 Finding Your Career Path: A Personal Journey
28:43 Approaching Brands for Sponsorship: How to Stand Out
32:20 The Importance of Giving Back and Valuing Interpersonal Connections

Aug 12, 2024 • 1h 3min
Working in the Industry, Carb Revolution, Creating Routes, and Failing at FKTs
Today we interview Derrick Lytle, who has been a staple at most big trail running events, tackled ultras himself and even gone after the Arizona Trail FKT.
Follow Derrick online: https://www.instagram.com/derricklytle/?hl=en
Derrick Lytle is a videographer and photographer who got his start in video production by shooting paintball videos. He later transitioned to capturing trail running footage and found a passion for storytelling through visual journalism. He discusses his experiences in the trail running community, including his attempts at the Arizona Trail FKT. Lytle also shares his thoughts on nutrition in endurance sports, emphasizing the importance of fueling appropriately for the level of intensity and duration of the activity. In this conversation, we discuss the topics of fat adaption and fat burning in ultrarunning, the importance of individualized nutrition strategies, and the challenges and rewards of stage racing and bikepacking. We also share stories of their adventures, including a terrifying experience on dangling ladders in Mexico.
Takeaways
Derek Lytle started his career in video production by shooting paintball videos and later transitioned to capturing trail running footage.
He emphasizes the importance of storytelling in his work and how it has evolved from a hobby to a career.
Lytle discusses his experiences in the trail running community and the challenges of balancing work and personal goals.
He shares his thoughts on nutrition in endurance sports, highlighting the need to fuel appropriately for the level of intensity and duration of the activity. Ultrarunners are likely burning more fat than they think, even during high-intensity efforts.
Individualized nutrition strategies are crucial for success in endurance events.
Stage racing offers a unique challenge of pacing oneself and managing nutrition over multiple days.
Bikepacking allows for greater distance and exploration compared to hiking or running.
Creating and completing self-designed routes can be fulfilling and rewarding.
Adventure activities often involve calculated risks and require problem-solving skills.
Safety standards may vary in different countries and outdoor activities.
Connecting with the running and outdoor community can enhance the overall experience.
Sound Bites
"I wear a lot of hats, but the main thing would be making videos, taking photos."
"I think more than anything, it was just like learning to tell stories."
"To shoot something and make it good, I feel like you have to do that sport for the most part."
"All ultrarunners are burning fat to a certain extent."
"Your body is naturally going to be in a fat burning state versus high glucose burning."
"No one winning or doing well at these races shows up and does 100 grams of carbs an hour for the first time."
Chapters
00:00 Introduction and Derek Lytle's Career in Video Production
05:19 The Power of Storytelling in Visual Journalism
13:19 The Importance of Immersion in the Sport for Capturing Footage
18:07 Fueling Appropriately for Endurance Sports
29:46 Fat Adaption and Fat Burning in Ultrarunning
32:11 Individualized Nutrition Strategies
35:01 The Importance of Accurate Fueling
36:27 The Challenges of Stage Racing
38:49 The World of Bikepacking
43:38 The Fulfillment of Creating and Completing Self-Designed Routes
52:46 Adventure and Risk-Taking
57:28 Connecting with the Running and Outdoor Community
Keywords: Derek Lytle, videographer, photographer, video production, paintball, trail running, storytelling, visual journalism, Arizona Trail, FKT, nutrition, endurance sports, fat adaption, fat burning, ultrarunning, nutrition strategies, stage racing, bikepacking, adventure, Mexico

Aug 9, 2024 • 28min
A Beer Mile, Dropping out of a Race, Olympics, Trump in Bozeman, and a JMT FKT attempt
In this episode, I discuss various topics, including Joe Stringbean McConaughey's attempt to break my unsupported record on the John Muir Trail, the concept of Fastest Known Times (FKTs), and some funny observations about the Olympics. I also talk about the decision to pull out of a race due to mental fatigue and share my experience participating in a beer mile.
The episode concludes with a discussion about the Olympics and astronauts stuck in space.
Takeaways
The John Muir Trail is a challenging trail to set a record on due to the difficulty of figuring out a sleep strategy.
FKT stands for Fastest Known Time and refers to trail records that can be broken by other athletes.
I decided to pull out of a race due to mental fatigue and not feeling mentally invested in racing.
Participating in a beer mile can be a fun and competitive activity.
Being stuck in space for an extended period of time would require finding ways to stay occupied and possibly learn new skills.
The Fun and Competitive Nature of a Beer Mile
Deciding to Pull Out of a Race Due to Mental Fatigue
"The John Muir Trail is a challenging trail to set a record on due to the difficulty of figuring out a sleep strategy."
"FKT stands for Fastest Known Time and refers to trail records that can be broken by other athletes."
Chapters
00:00 Introduction and Solo Cast
01:16 The John Muir Trail and Sleep Strategy
02:13 Understanding FKTs and Trail Records
11:14 Deciding to Pull Out of a Race
21:48 The Fun of a Beer Mile
24:54 Finding Inspiration in the Olympics
26:21 Imagining Being Stuck in Space
Keywords Joe Stringbean McConaughey, John Muir Trail, unsupported record, Fastest Known Times, FKTs, Olympics, mental fatigue, beer mile, astronauts

Aug 5, 2024 • 26min
Hitchhiking, The Olympics, and The Lost Princess Anastasia
In this episode, I share some of my hitchhiking stories, including a memorable ride with a woman who claimed to be a descendant of the lost princess Anastasia. I also talk about my experiences hiking the Ouachita Trail and the Ozark Highland Trail, as well as my coaching and upcoming race. I reflect on the importance of taking risks and going after goals, even if they don't always work out.
Sound Bites
"Let's get into some hitchhiking stories."
"Fast and wrong is still fast."
Takeaways
Taking risks and going after goals is important, even if they don't always work out.
Hitchhiking can lead to unique and memorable experiences.
Jeff has a passion for coaching and helping others achieve their goals.
He is preparing for the Wasatch 100 race.
Jeff enjoys sharing his adventures and stories with his audience.
Chapters
00:00 Memorable Hitchhiking Stories
09:38 Hiking the Ouachita Trail and Ozark Highland Trail
13:08 The Importance of Taking Risks
16:15 Passion for Coaching and Helping Others
17:19 Preparing for the Wasatch 100 Race
23:14 Sharing Adventures and Stories
Keywords: hitchhiking, stories, Ouachita Trail, Ozark Highland Trail, coaching, race, taking risks


