Dev Interrupted

In a heartfelt farewell, the show reflects on memorable interviews and moments, touching on chaos engineering and technical debt. A humorous 'Would You Rather' game reveals the pressures of software engineering during chaotic times. The hosts explore the connection between teaching and unit testing, while playfully debating technology’s influence on language. Exciting future developments promise deeper research insights and more vibrant community engagement, all wrapped up in a nostalgic yet optimistic tone as the show gears up for a new season.

Ori Keren, CEO of LinearB and a pioneer in developer productivity, shares bold predictions for the future of engineering teams. He warns that as AI tools proliferate, 2025 may see a drop in developer productivity and creativity before benefits are realized. Keren discusses the importance of measurement for optimization, the clash between developer experience and productivity, and the rising need for cybersecurity. His advice for engineering leaders? Embrace data-driven, people-first strategies to navigate the upcoming changes.

Austin Spiegel, co-founder and CTO of Sift Stack and former SpaceX engineering lead, shares his insights on the transformative role of engineers in product development. He discusses how a culture that empowers engineers to drive product vision can lead to faster development and happier customers. Austin emphasizes the need for engineers to blend technical expertise with business acumen, especially in a landscape increasingly influenced by AI and low-code tools. His experiences highlight the importance of empathy and direct customer engagement in creating innovative products.

Julianna Lamb, Co-founder and CTO of Stytch, dives into the often-dreaded topic of engineering processes. She argues that the right processes can actually accelerate team efficiency and empowerment. Julianna discusses finding the perfect balance between structure and flexibility, enhancing communication between engineering and product teams, and the importance of clear documentation. She shares innovative strategies for implementing effective process changes that foster collaboration without overwhelming teams, transforming fear into functional workflows.

This week, Erin Yepis, Senior Analyst at Stack Overflow, dives deep into the shocking statistic that only 20% of developers report happiness in their roles. She discusses factors impacting job satisfaction, including salary issues, workplace environment, and the burden of technical debt. Erin emphasizes the need for better understanding through nuanced surveys and points out how the developer experience is evolving post-pandemic. Dan Lines joins to share strategies for tackling technical debt, enhancing productivity, and fostering a happier developer workforce.

Birgitta Boeckeler, Global Lead for AI Assisted Software Delivery at ThoughtWorks, dives into the transformative potential of AI in software development. She shares her insights on agentic AI, discussing its real-world applications and the limitations developers face, especially with legacy codes. Birgitta also emphasizes the importance of clear use cases for successful AI integration and the balance needed to avoid tool fatigue. Joining her, Dan Lines highlights how engineering leaders can measure AI's impact on their teams and refine coding practices for better outcomes.

In this engaging discussion, Scott McCarty, Senior Principal Product Manager at Red Hat and an expert in open source AI, dives into the transformative potential of open source for artificial intelligence. He explores the intricate legalities surrounding AI in enterprise settings and the necessity of community collaboration. McCarty highlights the risks of inequality in AI advancements and emphasizes the importance of transparency and trust. With insights on AI's role in product management, he advocates for a future where technology genuinely benefits all.

Ashish Aggarwal, Founder and CTO of Productiv and a savvy investor, shares his wisdom on navigating today's startup landscape. He discusses the shift towards sustainable growth, emphasizing the need for founders to prioritize real customer needs over reckless expansion. The conversation also dives into the challenges and opportunities presented by remote work and managing distributed teams. Additionally, Ashish highlights the transformative role of AI in boosting productivity while outlining strategies for keeping high-performing teams engaged and motivated.

Cory O'Daniel, CEO and co-founder of MassDriver, brings over 20 years of experience in DevTools and platform engineering. In a lively discussion, he debunks the myth of the ‘Golden Path’ in DevOps, revealing the pitfalls many organizations face. He shares insights on the evolution of cloud operations and the transformative role of internal developer platforms. Cory raises thought-provoking questions about measuring success in platform engineering and the challenges of balancing new hires with operational demands, making this conversation a must-listen for tech enthusiasts.

Dheeraj Pandey, the dynamic CEO and co-founder of DevRev, previously helmed Nutanix to a staggering $16 billion valuation. In this engaging talk, he shares insights from his entrepreneurial journey and the lessons learned about innovation and leadership. Dheeraj emphasizes the need for a holistic approach to AI, urging businesses to rethink customer support strategies. He discusses the integration of AI in product development, the importance of customer-centric design, and fostering an entrepreneurial spirit within teams for meaningful growth.