
"The Riff" with Byrne Hobart and Erik Torenberg
Investor and writer of the popular newsletter The Diff, Byrne Hobart, and co-host Erik Torenberg discuss today’s major inflection points in technology, business, and markets – and help listeners build a diversified portfolio of trends and ideas for the future. Topics covered: Finance, Venture Capital, Tech, AI, Crypto, and Industry CyclesThe Riff is a part of the Turpentine podcast network. Learn more: turpentine.co
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Apr 24, 2025 • 1h 40min
E71: Risk Taking, Contrarianism, and Growth [Byrne on Interintellect]
This conversation dives into the fascinating world of financial bubbles and the interplay between technology and innovation. It distinguishes between extrapolation and mean reversion bubbles while discussing talent allocation's impact on societal progress. The discussion highlights contrasting investment approaches, including George Soros's strategies. It also touches on the influence of media on tech culture, exploring how films inspire tech careers and the philosophical differences between virtual and real achievements. Finally, the complexities of navigating the cryptocurrency landscape are examined.

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Apr 17, 2025 • 1h 7min
E70: OpenAI’s Open Source Strategy, Volatility & Tariffs, and Automation’s Consequences w/ Byrne Hobart
Dive into the shifting landscape of technology and trade! The discussion highlights the unpredictable impact of Trump's tariffs on U.S.-China relations and the future of manufacturing. OpenAI's potential move to open-source is a hot topic, questioning how it might reshape innovation. The implications for white-collar jobs amidst growing automation also spark debate. Plus, there's a look at the unique challenges facing supply chains and how the U.S. dollar remains a robust global contender despite economic fluctuations.

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Apr 10, 2025 • 1h 46min
E69: Good vs Bad Bubbles, Stagnation, and Bitcoin [Byrne on Bankless]
Byrne Hobart, an investor and writer known for his insights on speculative bubbles, dives into the fascinating world of innovation and risk. He discusses how 'good' bubbles can drive technological progress, contrasting with today's risk-averse culture. With Bitcoin as a focal point, he examines its evolution and resilience beyond illicit activities. Byrne also highlights the importance of embracing risk to combat stagnation and explores future frontiers like space exploration and biotech, emphasizing their potential to redefine our world.

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Apr 1, 2025 • 53min
E68: Chinese Free Trade, AI Managers, and Why AI Art is Art
This discussion dives into the unexpected role reversal in global trade dynamics, with China advocating for free trade while the U.S. leans towards protectionism. It touches on the demographic issues plaguing China's economy, particularly its aging population. The conversation also explores how AI is poised to disrupt hierarchical job roles by possibly replacing more senior positions. Finally, the podcast debates the legitimacy of AI-generated art, driven by a surge in interest in styles reminiscent of Studio Ghibli, while unpacking the complexities of ticket pricing in the entertainment industry.

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Mar 25, 2025 • 59min
E67: Hidden X-Risk, Network Effects of Elon’s Empire, and American Hegemony
This week features a dive into Donald Trump Jr.'s savvy business moves tied to the Trump brand. The conversation shifts to Dustin Moskovitz's career decision and its ties to potential AI risks. Elon Musk’s strategies for reinvigorating Twitter's valuation through financial engineering also take the spotlight. The hosts analyze recession signals and the disconnect between Wall Street and Main Street. Finally, they explore the evolving geopolitical landscape influenced by U.S. foreign policy and China’s advancements in AI.

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Mar 11, 2025 • 57min
E66: The Politics of Alex Karp and Palantir, DOGE Breakdown, and AI vs Blogging
This week, Byrne Hobart and Erik Torenberg explore the effects of technological change on media and society, covering topics such as the AI debate, blogging's social impact, AI's influence on search and data, the changing news industry, foreign aid cuts, and the rise of new tech elites.---🙏 Help shape our show by taking our quick listener survey at https://bit.ly/TurpentinePulse.---Highlights from the Episode:
AI and Written Content: The comparison is made to how society adapted to blogging, which was initially viewed as disruptive but was eventually incorporated into mainstream media ecosystems.
Media Evolution and Business Models: "Real news" remains the least lucrative part of the news business due to high fixed costs and difficult monetization.
On The Washington Post's Strategy: Byrne suggests Bezos might be positioning the Post to serve an underserved audience: center-right libertarians who want economic growth while avoiding both progressive politics and Trumpism.
Tech Elites and Government: Tech and government used to be more closely intertwined (semiconductor industry, Apollo program) but have diverged.
Foreign Aid and USAID: Argument that programs like PEPFAR (HIV/AIDS relief) have been highly effective in terms of lives saved per dollar.
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Feb 25, 2025 • 1h 1min
E65: Bill Gates’s Persona, Against Copying Berkshire Hathaway, and Making the Economy More Like Chipotle
This discussion dives into why replicating Warren Buffett's Berkshire Hathaway is nearly impossible, highlighting its unique historical advantages. It also contrasts Bill Gates's humble public persona with his aggressive corporate tactics. The hosts contemplate the rise of 'premium mediocre' products, using Chipotle as an example, suggesting that future growth may mean more access to good but not great options. They argue that reverse-engineering successful business models often ignores the value of strategic thinking.

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Feb 19, 2025 • 1h 3min
E64: US vs China’s Strategies, Uber’s Growth Model, AI Supply Chains
Explore how globalization is creatively adapting rather than reversing, with intriguing strategies like routing Chinese goods through Vietnam. Delve into the challenges China faces with an over-leveraged real estate sector and a declining population. Listen in on AI's evolution towards specialized applications and data access. Discover Uber's transformation, navigating the tumultuous waters of autonomous vehicles that pose an existential threat to its marketplace. This insightful discussion highlights the intersection of technology, economics, and strategy.

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Feb 11, 2025 • 59min
E63: OpenAI Deep Research, Elon’s Potential Hostile Takeover, and AI Agent Companies
Explore the staggering implications of Elon Musk's $97 billion bid to acquire OpenAI's nonprofit control. Discover how AI research is becoming faster and more practical, despite some quality compromises. The competitive edge of tech giants like Apple and Google in AI development is discussed, along with the challenges of replicating successful teams. The role of sovereign wealth funds in stabilizing economies is examined, drawing parallels to historic governmental roles in crises. A deep dive into the evolving landscape of regulations reveals the complexities of technology and governance.

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Feb 4, 2025 • 1h 9min
E62: Trump’s Tariffs, Open Source AI Models, and The Future of VR
The discussion dives into the implications of Trump's tariffs, highlighting their role as negotiation tools while questioning their long-term viability. The podcast also navigates the complexities of global trade in relation to economic populism and the EU's future. In the tech realm, they explore how AI developments are reshaping market dynamics, particularly how negative news affects stock performance. Meta's heavy investments in AI are scrutinized, revealing potential competitive advantages. The evolving landscape of open-source vs. proprietary AI models rounds out the conversation.
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