

What Gets Measured
NinjaCat
What Gets Measured is a NinjaCat podcast about marketing performance management, data, and analysis, featuring candid conversations and interviews with insightful guests and informative experts.
Hosted and produced by Jake Sanders, this bi-weekly podcast provides marketers with applicable anecdotes and topical takeaways to better manage their performance marketing because; "what gets measured, gets managed."
SHOWPAGE - https://www.ninjacat.io/blog/marketing-performance-management-podcast
© 2022, NinjaCat
Hosted and produced by Jake Sanders, this bi-weekly podcast provides marketers with applicable anecdotes and topical takeaways to better manage their performance marketing because; "what gets measured, gets managed."
SHOWPAGE - https://www.ninjacat.io/blog/marketing-performance-management-podcast
© 2022, NinjaCat
Episodes
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Nov 4, 2025 • 29min
The Real Work Behind AI-Ready Organizations
Learn why most AI adoption efforts fail, and what businesses must get right first. In this episode, AI strategist/educator/founder Dr. Cecilia Dones shares practical insights on data readiness, culture, and responsible AI implementation. SHOWPAGE: www.ninjacat.io/blog/wgm-podcast-the-real-work-behind-ai-ready-organizations © 2025, NinjaCat

Oct 21, 2025 • 38min
Nobody Cares About AI Ethics
Copywriter-turned–AI ethics educator Felicity Wild breaks down what marketing teams risk when they automate without oversight—and how ethics can drive better, smarter decisions. SHOWPAGE: www.ninjacat.io/blog/wgm-podcast-nobody-cares-about-ai-ethics © 2025, NinjaCat

Oct 7, 2025 • 40min
Cracking the Code on Social Media ROI
Marketers live in the gray area of measurement — especially in social media. In this episode, Emeric Ernoult, CEO and co-founder of Agorapulse, shares his hard-earned insights on proving the real value of social. Discover why social isn't just a trend, how to balance brand awareness with demand generation, and why vanity metrics are signals, not goals. Emeric also dives into how AI can multiply your efforts (for better or worse), and what it really takes to create memorable content that drives lasting ROI. 🎧 Actionable takeaways: Treat engagement as feedback, not a scoreboard Run campaigns that drive both awareness and demand Let AI handle the busywork, so you can focus on strategy At the end of the day, the brands people remember are the ones that win. SHOWPAGE: www.ninjacat.io/blog/wgm-podcast-cracking-the-code-on-social-media-roi © 2025, NinjaCat

Sep 23, 2025 • 31min
AI in Marketing Ops: Scary, Exciting, Essential
Dive into clean data and aligned teams in martech, AI that actually works, and learn what's driving marketing ops success right now with Darrell Alfonso. SHOWPAGE: www.ninjacat.io/blog/wgm-podcast-ai-in-marketing-ops-scary-exciting-essential © 2025, NinjaCat

Sep 9, 2025 • 36min
Smarter AI Starts with Human Know-How
AI fails without context. Vanessa Liu explains why capturing human know-how is the key to scaling automation, reducing turnover costs, and driving ROI. SHOWPAGE: www.ninjacat.io/blog/wgm-podcast-smarter-ai-starts-with-human-know-how ©2025, NinjaCat

Aug 12, 2025 • 56min
Truth Before Meaning: Data, Storytelling & AI
Learn why data storytelling for marketing is critical for success. Scott Taylor, 'the Data Whisperer,' explains how to communicate data insights that drive business decisions. SHOWPAGE: www.ninjacat.io/blog/wgm-podcast-truth-before-meaning-data-storytelling-ai

Jul 29, 2025 • 39min
Fixing the Disconnect Between Brand, Demand, and Dollars
Charlie de Thibault calls out marketing's obsession with bottom-funnel metrics, explains why attribution is hurting more than it helps, and shares how to actually prove value across teams. SHOWPAGE: www.ninjacat.io/blog/wgm-podcast-fixing-the-disconnect-between-brand-demand-and-dollars © 2025, NinjaCat

Jul 15, 2025 • 38min
A New Mindset for AI-Augmented Marketing
Colt Briner, CMO at Trend Health Partners, shares how AI agents helped his lean marketing team outperform departments six times their size—without sacrificing voice, insight, or authenticity. SHOWPAGE: www.ninjacat.io/blog/wgm-podcast-a-new-mindset-for-ai-augmented-marketing © 2025, NinjaCat

Jul 1, 2025 • 1h
Make Better Bets with Causal AI
Discover how causal AI transforms marketing analytics by solving the correlation vs. causation dilemma. Learn why outdated Marketing Mix Modeling (MMM) can't keep up, and how causal AI provides actionable, real-time insights for CMOs and CFOs. SHOWPAGE: https://www.ninjacat.io/blog/wgm-podcast-make-better-bets-with-causal-ai © 2025, NinjaCat

Jun 17, 2025 • 25min
Better MarTech Starts with Better Experiments
Most martech stacks don't break—they bloat. In this interview, Ana Mourão shares how to untangle messy stacks with clear thinking, smart experiments, and data strategies that actually serve people. SHOWPAGE: https://www.ninjacat.io/blog/wgm-podcast-better-martech-starts-with-better-experiments


