The Smart Economy Podcast: Real-World Blockchain Applications with Crypto, DeFi, NFTs, and DAOs

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Mar 27, 2025 • 55min

Media, Money, and Misunderstandings: Bankless Sets the Record Straight with David Hoffman

In this episode of The Smart Economy Podcast, host Dylan Grabowski is joined by David Hoffman, the co-founder and host of Bankless, a cryptocurrency media brand and community that focuses on educating and empowering individuals to navigate the decentralized financial landscape.What You’ll Learn:The journey from Ethereum maximalism to broader crypto coverageBuilding a media business while maintaining ethical standardsThe firewall between Bankless Media and Bankless VenturesHow content strategy evolves with shifting market interestsManaging community expectations and misunderstandingsThe differences between crypto Twitter and public perceptionFinding a balance between audience demands and personal interestsWhat really happened with the AICC controversyAnd much more!David is the co-founder and host of Bankless, a cryptocurrency media brand and community that focuses on educating and empowering individuals to navigate the decentralized financial landscape. With deep roots in the Ethereum ecosystem since 2017, he helped build Bankless from a newsletter into a comprehensive media organization that includes podcasting, educational content, and venture capital investments. As a prominent content creator in the blockchain space, David has played a crucial role in making complex blockchain concepts accessible while striving to maintain high ethical standards in the industry.Episode Highlights:[17:57] The Three-Way Content Optimization Framework[25:27] Building a Sustainable For-Profit Crypto Media Business [52:21] The 2:1 Podcast Preparation Rule[35:55] Managing Media and Venture Capital SeparationPrevious guests include: Rusty Matveev, Chief Strategy Officer at Calaxy; Andrew Lawrence, CEO and Co-Founder of Censo; Zac Townsend, CEO and Co-Founder of Meanwhile; Jesper Johansen, CEO and Co-Founder of Northstake; Tama Churchouse, COO of Cumberland Labs; Holly Wood of Boson Protocol; Sid Powell of Maple Finance; Chad Barraford of THORChain; and many others.Check out our three most downloaded episodes:Laying the Groundwork for a Billion-User Blockchain with Rich Rines, Contributor at Core DAOStaking the Future: From Blockchain Beginnings to Institutional Innovations with Chen Zhuling of RockXThe Unstoppable Nature of Blockchain: A Conversation with Bonart Mati of ObligateAttention all blockchain, crypto, and Web3 professionals! If you're a founder, CEO, or expert doing something innovative in this space, we're interested in speaking to you! Apply to be a guest on our platform and connect with our vibrant community of blockchain professionals:  https://fame.so/nnt-guestThe Smart Economy Podcast is handcrafted by our friends over at fame.so
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Mar 13, 2025 • 58min

Building Web3's Community Infrastructure: Galxe's Vision for Digital Identity with Patrick Young

In this episode of The Smart Economy Podcast, host Dylan Grabowski is joined by Patrick Young, Head of Go-to-Market at Galxe, a platform for Web3 community growth and engagement.Join them as they:Delve into Patrick's background in blockchainExplain how Galxe builds and maintains resilient Web3 communities Discuss Galxe's identity solutions, including Galxe Passport and Galxe ScoreExamine the role of Galxe's EarnDrop program in assisting with token distribution and community buildingHighlight the development of Gravity Chain, Galxe’s upcoming L1 blockchainConsider the convergence of blockchain and AI technologiesExplore how blockchain can support different inference layers and serving frameworksDiscuss how Galaxy's suite of products creates an end-to-end lifecycle management system for Web3 projectsAnd much more!Patrick Young is the Head of Go-to-Market at Galxe, a leading platform for Web3 community growth and engagement. With extensive experience in blockchain education and ecosystem development, Patrick helped create one of the first blockchain curricula at Miami University and has been instrumental in shaping community-driven approaches in the Web3 space. His background includes key roles at Block Key Capital, Ledgermatic, and Chainlink Labs, where he helped grow the team from 65 to 700 people while running their Web3 commercial services business. His expertise in bridging traditional institutions with Web3 communities and his involvement in Galxe's forthcoming Gravity blockchain makes him a valuable voice for those interested in the future of decentralized ecosystem development.Episode Highlights:[17:16] Building Effective Web3 Communities Through Quest[28:07] Transforming Token Distribution with EarnDrop[38:00] Galxe's Identity Protocol: The Future of Web3 Authentication[50:14] Gravity Chain: Building the Infrastructure for Web3 ScalePrevious guests include: Rusty Matveev, Chief Strategy Officer at Calaxy; Andrew Lawrence, CEO and Co-Founder of Censo; Zac Townsend, CEO and Co-Founder of Meanwhile; Jesper Johansen, CEO and Co-Founder of Northstake; Tama Churchouse, COO of Cumberland Labs; Holly Wood of Boson Protocol; Sid Powell of Maple Finance; Chad Barraford of THORChain; and many others.Check out our three most downloaded episodes:Laying the Groundwork for a Billion-User Blockchain with Rich Rines, Contributor at Core DAOStaking the Future: From Blockchain Beginnings to Institutional Innovations with Chen Zhuling of RockXThe Unstoppable Nature of Blockchain: A Conversation with Bonart Mati of ObligateAttention all blockchain, crypto, and Web3 professionals! If you're a founder, CEO, or expert doing something innovative in this space, we're interested in speaking to you! Apply to be a guest on our platform and connect with our vibrant community of blockchain professionals:  https://fame.so/nnt-guestThe Smart Economy Podcast is handcrafted by our friends over at fame.so
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Feb 27, 2025 • 56min

From NFTs to Regulatory Clarity: Magic Eden's Vision for Web3's Future with Joe Doll

In this episode of The Smart Economy Podcast, host Dylan Grabowski is joined by Joe Doll, general counsel at Magic Eden, a leading cross-chain NFT marketplace.Join them as they discuss:The transformative impact of the new administration's pro-crypto executive orderHow stablecoins could cement U.S. dollar dominanceMagic Eden's journey to becoming the #1 NFT marketplace by users and revenueThe evolution of NFT projects from 2021 to presentThe real story behind Operation Chokepoint 2.0The importance of upcoming stablecoin legislationBuilding regulatory-compliant infrastructure in cryptoHow culture shapes successful Web3 companies And much more!With extensive experience in crypto law spanning eight years, including roles at prominent firm Fenwick & West where he helped launch 40-50+ tokens, Joe brings unique insights into both the technical and regulatory aspects of digital assets. His work with major clients like Coinbase, Kraken, Yuga Labs, and OpenSea, combined with his current role at Magic Eden, provides a comprehensive view of how regulation and innovation intersect in the rapidly evolving crypto landscape.Episode Highlights:[00:00] Intro[04:35] Stablecoins and US Dollar Dominance[08:25] Evolution of Crypto Regulation [17:10] Magic Eden's On-Chain Vision[22:31] Surviving the NFT Bear Market [29:46] NFT Quality: 2021 vs Today[39:54] Magic Eden's Regulatory Approach[48:58] Operation Chokepoint 2.0 ConfirmedPrevious guests include: Rusty Matveev, Chief Strategy Officer at Calaxy; Andrew Lawrence, CEO and Co-Founder of Censo; Zac Townsend, CEO and Co-Founder of Meanwhile; Jesper Johansen, CEO and Co-Founder of Northstake; Tama Churchouse, COO of Cumberland Labs; Holly Wood of Boson Protocol; Sid Powell of Maple Finance; Chad Barraford of THORChain; and many others.Check out our three most downloaded episodes:Laying the Groundwork for a Billion-User Blockchain with Rich Rines, Contributor at Core DAOStaking the Future: From Blockchain Beginnings to Institutional Innovations with Chen Zhuling of RockXThe Unstoppable Nature of Blockchain: A Conversation with Bonart Mati of ObligateAttention all blockchain, crypto, and Web3 professionals! If you're a founder, CEO, or expert doing something innovative in this space, we're interested in speaking to you! Apply to be a guest on our platform and connect with our vibrant community of blockchain professionals:  https://fame.so/nnt-guestThe Smart Economy Podcast is handcrafted by our friends over at fame.so
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Feb 13, 2025 • 54min

From TradFi to DeFi: Building the Future of Real World Assets with Centrifuge's Eli Cohen

In this episode of The Smart Economy Podcast, host Dylan Grabowski is joined by Eli Cohen, general counsel at Centrifuge, a platform for tokenized real-world assets.Join them as they discuss:The evolution from traditional finance to tokenized assetsHow T-Bills are being brought on-chainBuilding regulatory-compliant RWA infrastructureDesigning DAO governance for financial protocolsThe future of on-chain institutional asset managementBalancing innovation with complianceHow Centrifuge aims to create efficient securitization processesAnd much more!With vast experience spanning traditional finance, market infrastructure, and cryptocurrency regulation, Eli brings a unique perspective to the intersection of RWAs and blockchain technology. His distinguished career includes roles at CME Group, where he helped launch Bitcoin futures in Asia-Pacific, Block.one, and various positions working with financial regulators across multiple jurisdictions. For the past three years at Centrifuge, Eli has been instrumental in developing compliant frameworks for bringing traditional financial assets onto the blockchain while navigating complex regulatory environments across global markets.Episode Highlights:[00:00] Intro[03:00] Understanding the Two Categories of Real World Assets (RWAs)[34:09] The Microbrewery Model of Asset Tokenization[38:09] Hybrid Governance Structure for DeFi Platforms[48:29] Evolution of RWA Markets Beyond Treasury BillsPrevious guests include: Rusty Matveev, Chief Strategy Officer at Calaxy; Andrew Lawrence, CEO and Co-Founder of Censo; Zac Townsend, CEO and Co-Founder of Meanwhile; Jesper Johansen, CEO and Co-Founder of Northstake; Tama Churchouse, COO of Cumberland Labs; Holly Wood of Boson Protocol; Sid Powell of Maple Finance; Chad Barraford of THORChain; and many others.Check out our three most downloaded episodes:Laying the Groundwork for a Billion-User Blockchain with Rich Rines, Contributor at Core DAOStaking the Future: From Blockchain Beginnings to Institutional Innovations with Chen Zhuling of RockXThe Unstoppable Nature of Blockchain: A Conversation with Bonart Mati of ObligateAttention all blockchain, crypto, and Web3 professionals! If you're a founder, CEO, or expert doing something innovative in this space, we're interested in speaking to you! Apply to be a guest on our platform and connect with our vibrant community of blockchain professionals:  https://fame.so/nnt-guestThe Smart Economy Podcast is handcrafted by our friends over at fame.so
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Jan 30, 2025 • 49min

The Road to Private Smart Contracts: Aztec's Multi-Year Journey with Zac Williamson

Zac Williamson, CEO and co-founder of Aztec, is a blockchain innovator with a rich background in particle physics. He delves into the evolution of zero-knowledge technology and its pivotal role in enhancing blockchain privacy. Zac shares insights on the development of a novel programming language for private smart contracts and the balance of moral legitimacy in privacy tech. He also discusses Aztec's ambitious plans for 2025 and the future landscape of decentralized privacy networks, highlighting the profound implications for digital identity.
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Jan 16, 2025 • 54min

Building Bitcoin's Third Native Use Case with Babylon Labs Co-Founder Fisher Yu

In this episode of The Smart Economy Podcast, host Dylan Grabowski is joined by Mingchao (Fisher) Yu, co-founder and CTO of Babylon Labs, a non-custodial staking protocol that uses the underlying value of Bitcoin to secure a variety of proof-of-stake networks.Join them as they discuss:How Bitcoin can secure PoS chains trustlesslyThe journey from 1,000 BTC to $3.3B+ TVLBuilding truly decentralized security marketsThe roadmap for Bitcoin's evolution in DeFiUniting traditional finance with crypto through BTCThe future of cross-chain security sharingReal institutional adoption insightsAnd much more!Fisher's career has spanned a variety of roles from deep technology systems engineering to leadership in blockchain innovations at Babylon, where he's currently steering efforts to integrate Bitcoin more fully into the decentralized finance landscape. Before Babylon Labs, Fisher was a managing director at Hash Laboratories, senior staff research engineer at Dolby Laboratories, and senior system engineer at InterfereX Communications.Episode Highlights:[00:01:57] Introduction to Fisher Yu and Babylon Labs' non-custodial staking protocol[00:16:32] Babylon's founding story and origin in late 2021[00:17:06] Evolution from merge mining to Bitcoin staking solution[00:23:11] Three target ecosystems: Cosmos, Ethereum rollups, Bitcoin rollups[00:27:27] Babylon's three-phase launch strategy[00:38:13] Current adoption metrics: 66.8K+ stakers, 74K delegations[00:42:57] Geographic restrictions and regulatory considerations[00:47:55] Discussion on Bitcoin centralization concerns[00:50:19] 2025 roadmap and vision for "Bitcoin DeFi genesis"[00:51:56] Contact information and community channelsPrevious guests include: Rusty Matveev, Chief Strategy Officer at Calaxy; Andrew Lawrence, CEO and Co-Founder of Censo; Zac Townsend, CEO and Co-Founder of Meanwhile; Jesper Johansen, CEO and Co-Founder of Northstake; Tama Churchouse, COO of Cumberland Labs; Holly Wood of Boson Protocol; Sid Powell of Maple Finance; Chad Barraford of THORChain; and many others.Check out our three most downloaded episodes:Laying the Groundwork for a Billion-User Blockchain with Rich Rines, Contributor at Core DAOStaking the Future: From Blockchain Beginnings to Institutional Innovations with Chen Zhuling of RockXThe Unstoppable Nature of Blockchain: A Conversation with Bonart Mati of ObligateAttention all blockchain, crypto, and Web3 professionals! If you're a founder, CEO, or expert doing something innovative in this space, we're interested in speaking to you! Apply to be a guest on our platform and connect with our vibrant community of blockchain professionals:  https://fame.so/nnt-guestThe Smart Economy Podcast is handcrafted by our friends over at fame.so
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Jan 2, 2025 • 58min

Building Bitcoin's Next Layer: BOB's Cross-Chain Solution with Alexei Zamyatin

In this episode of The Smart Economy Podcast, host Dylan Grabowski is joined by Alexei Zamyatin, co-founder of BOB, a Layer 2 blockchain aiming to combine the security of Bitcoin with the versatility of Ethereum. Join them as they discuss:BOB's hybrid L2 architectureBridging Bitcoin and Ethereum infrastructureBitVM implementation strategyThree-phase development roadmapReaching 320k unique users$250M in DeFi TVLCross-chain deployment solutionsAnd much more!Alexei's work is focusing on expanding interoperability and capital efficiency across major blockchain platforms, including Bitcoin, Ethereum, Polkadot, and Cosmos. His flagship product, interBTC, embodies his vision by enabling Bitcoin's use across different blockchains while maintaining its key attributes: full collateralization, interoperability, and censorship-resistance. Prior to founding BOB, Alexei offered his expertise at Boston Consulting Group and conducted research at SBA Research, contributing significantly to digital assets and web3 governance.Episode Highlights:[00:00] Introduction[02:17] Bitcoin's Value Beyond market cap: global reach and brand recognition[04:52] Community Evolution From maximalism to innovation acceptance[11:05] Background Story Namecoin to Bitcoin bridges research at Imperial College[19:27] BitVM Overview Core technology enabling BOB's security model[24:58] Trust Trade-offs Balancing institutional vs technical risk in Bitcoin[41:09] Growth Metrics 320k users, $250M TVL since May 2023 launch[49:30] Strategic Phases Three-phase plan from ETH L2 to Bitcoin settlement[53:16] Future Vision Balancing institutional adoption with cypherpunk roots[56:16] Community Call Invitation for user feedback and engagementPrevious guests include: Rusty Matveev, Chief Strategy Officer at Calaxy; Andrew Lawrence, CEO and Co-Founder of Censo; Zac Townsend, CEO and Co-Founder of Meanwhile; Jesper Johansen, CEO and Co-Founder of Northstake; Tama Churchouse, COO of Cumberland Labs; Holly Wood of Boson Protocol; Sid Powell of Maple Finance; Chad Barraford of THORChain; and many others.Check out our three most downloaded episodes:Laying the Groundwork for a Billion-User Blockchain with Rich Rines, Contributor at Core DAOStaking the Future: From Blockchain Beginnings to Institutional Innovations with Chen Zhuling of RockXThe Unstoppable Nature of Blockchain: A Conversation with Bonart Mati of ObligateAttention all blockchain, crypto, and Web3 professionals! If you're a founder, CEO, or expert doing something innovative in this space, we're interested in speaking to you! Apply to be a guest on our platform and connect with our vibrant community of blockchain professionals:  https://fame.so/nnt-guestThe Smart Economy Podcast is handcrafted by our friends over at fame.so
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Dec 19, 2024 • 57min

Bridging Bitcoin to DeFi: Lombard's Vision for Liquid Staking with Jacob Phillips

In this episode of The Smart Economy Podcast, host Dylan Grabowski is joined by Lombard co-founder Jacob Phillips.Join them as they discuss:How Bitcoin's market capitalization is an ideal solution for DeFi's need for liquidityThe differences in the mentality of deploying Bitcoin as an asset into DeFi versus deploying other assets like EtherBuilding on the Babylon staking protocolUpcoming Lombard releasesAnd much more!Jacob brings a wealth of experience from his time at Perennial Labs and as an investor at Polychain Capital, deeply enriching our understanding of how Bitcoin can become a more dynamic player in the DeFi space. Lombard is integrating Bitcoin with decentralized finance, offering solutions such as its flagship product, LBTC—a yield-bearing, cross-chain, liquid Bitcoin, backed 1:1 by BTC.Episode Highlights:[00:00] Introduction[00:03] Episode introduction and overview with Jacob Phillips of Lombard[02:34] Bitcoin's historical challenges in DeFi and recent market evolution[05:20] Catalysts behind Bitcoin's building renaissance[12:18] Jacob's journey from crypto skeptic to Polychain Capital[31:34] Lombard's growth to $1B TVL and key partnerships[36:50] Shifting the Bitcoin holder mindset toward yield generation[41:18] Technical overview of Lombard Ledger and BFT chain development[47:54] User acquisition and institutional adoption strategy[51:39] Institutional perspectives on Bitcoin DeFi adoptionPrevious guests include: Rusty Matveev, Chief Strategy Officer at Calaxy; Andrew Lawrence, CEO and Co-Founder of Censo; Zac Townsend, CEO and Co-Founder of Meanwhile; Jesper Johansen, CEO and Co-Founder of Northstake; Tama Churchouse, COO of Cumberland Labs; Holly Wood of Boson Protocol; Sid Powell of Maple Finance; Chad Barraford of THORChain; and many others.Check out our three most downloaded episodes:Laying the Groundwork for a Billion-User Blockchain with Rich Rines, Contributor at Core DAOStaking the Future: From Blockchain Beginnings to Institutional Innovations with Chen Zhuling of RockXThe Unstoppable Nature of Blockchain: A Conversation with Bonart Mati of ObligateAttention all blockchain, crypto, and Web3 professionals! If you're a founder, CEO, or expert doing something innovative in this space, we're interested in speaking to you! Apply to be a guest on our platform and connect with our vibrant community of blockchain professionals:  https://fame.so/nnt-guestThe Smart Economy Podcast is handcrafted by our friends over at fame.so
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Dec 5, 2024 • 1h

Social Intelligence in Crypto: LunarCrush's Vision for Market Analytics with Jon Farjo & Joe Vezzani

In this episode of The Smart Economy Podcast, host Dylan Grabowski is joined by LunarCrush co-founders Joe Vezzani and Jon Farjo.Join them as they discuss:How social media metrics can help determine the appetite for specific digital assetsThe metrics and categories that LunarCrush followsHow AI has improved the team's ability and processesThe forthcoming rise of AI agentsAnd much more!Joe is a Web3 entrepreneur and CEO of LunarCrush. With 15 years of experience, Joe has expertise in financial analysis, accounting, creative production, sales, business development, pricing strategy, customer acquisition, product management, M&As, fundraising, hiring, and more. Previously, Joe held leadership roles at companies like INNOCEAN USA, LifeLine Response, Owens Corning, and Draftfcb.Jon is an experienced digital strategy leader with a focus on Web3, AI, marketing, branding, and social media. As Chief Product Officer at LunarCrush, he drives innovation and creates solutions that will hopefully resonate with users. Previously, Jon held leadership roles at companies like Veritone, INNOCEAN USA, The Buddy Group, and Metagenics.Episode Highlights:[00:00:00] Intro[00:02:25] Social media data vs traditional market indicators[00:04:06] Correlation between social metrics and market movements[00:07:50] Analysis of successful meme coins and community tokens[00:10:26] Founders' crypto origin story[00:14:04] LunarCrush evolution since 2018[00:24:33] AI integration and team efficiency[00:30:04] Future of AI agents in crypto trading[00:34:28] Major client partnerships[00:40:38] Emerging social media platforms[00:48:54] Polymarket impact and social metrics[00:53:22] 2025 predictions and Bitcoin trends[00:58:00] Closing remarks and platform informationPrevious guests include: Rusty Matveev, Chief Strategy Officer at Calaxy; Andrew Lawrence, CEO and Co-Founder of Censo; Zac Townsend, CEO and Co-Founder of Meanwhile; Jesper Johansen, CEO and Co-Founder of Northstake; Tama Churchouse, COO of Cumberland Labs; Holly Wood of Boson Protocol; Sid Powell of Maple Finance; Chad Barraford of THORChain; and many others.Check out our three most downloaded episodes:Laying the Groundwork for a Billion-User Blockchain with Rich Rines, Contributor at Core DAOStaking the Future: From Blockchain Beginnings to Institutional Innovations with Chen Zhuling of RockXThe Unstoppable Nature of Blockchain: A Conversation with Bonart Mati of ObligateAttention all blockchain, crypto, and Web3 professionals! If you're a founder, CEO, or expert doing something innovative in this space, we're interested in speaking to you! Apply to be a guest on our platform and connect with our vibrant community of blockchain professionals:  https://fame.so/nnt-guestThe Smart Economy Podcast is handcrafted by our friends over at fame.so
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Nov 21, 2024 • 56min

Building DeFi Infrastructure: From Zero to MEV Resistance with ParaSwap Founder Mounir Benchemled

In this episode of The Smart Economy Podcast, host Dylan Grabowski is joined by Mounir Benchemled, founder and CEO of ParaSwap, a platform in the decentralized finance landscape.Join them as they discuss:The features ParaSwap is bringing to the DeFi spaceToken approvals and securityRegulatory landscape of DeFiHybrid approaches to customer acquisition in DeFiThe future of decentralized exchangesAnd much more!With a background rich in software development and blockchain technology, Mounir has not only led ParaSwap to raise $5.7 million from top-tier crypto investors but has also recently taken on the CEO role at Laita Labs, aiming to push the boundaries of DeFi products and infrastructure.Episode Highlights:[00:00] Intro[02:30] Discussion of what DeFi got right/wrong and stablecoins as the biggest success[05:44] Mounir shares his journey from Bitcoin in 2012 to leaving his CEO role in 2017[10:58] B2B pivot: From retail focus to 85% partner volume integration[17:13] Regulatory landscape: EU's DeFi-friendly stance vs US restrictions[22:33] Chain expansion: Scaling beyond Ethereum to BSC, Polygon and L2s[26:04] ParaSwap Delta: New gasless, intent-based trading solution[29:19] March 2024 exploit: $24K initial breach leads to larger recovery mission[37:30] Hacker negotiations: Recovering 80% of funds through on-chain tracking[44:26] MEV insights: How the exploit improved MEV resistance strategies[46:19] OTC trading: Peer-to-peer and RFQ protocol capabilities[49:29] Token mechanics: PSP token utility and staking benefits[50:30] Airdrop lessons: Candid take on 2021 airdrop timing and mistakesPrevious guests include: Rusty Matveev, Chief Strategy Officer at Calaxy; Andrew Lawrence, CEO and Co-Founder of Censo; Zac Townsend, CEO and Co-Founder of Meanwhile; Jesper Johansen, CEO and Co-Founder of Northstake; Tama Churchouse, COO of Cumberland Labs; Holly Wood of Boson Protocol; Sid Powell of Maple Finance; Chad Barraford of THORChain; and many others.Check out our three most downloaded episodes:Laying the Groundwork for a Billion-User Blockchain with Rich Rines, Contributor at Core DAOStaking the Future: From Blockchain Beginnings to Institutional Innovations with Chen Zhuling of RockXThe Unstoppable Nature of Blockchain: A Conversation with Bonart Mati of ObligateAttention all blockchain, crypto, and Web3 professionals! If you're a founder, CEO, or expert doing something innovative in this space, we're interested in speaking to you! Apply to be a guest on our platform and connect with our vibrant community of blockchain professionals:  https://fame.so/nnt-guestThe Smart Economy Podcast is handcrafted by our friends over at fame.so

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