The podcast explores the ongoing humanitarian crisis of immigration, discussing current policies and their impact on cities and resources. It also highlights the connection between the climate crisis and immigration, and proposes a more humane and sensible immigration policy. The episode features immigration lawyer and artist Carolina Rubio-MacWright, who shares her advocacy work and the importance of taking action at the local community level.

Jeff Sharlet, experienced journalist and author of The Undertow: Scenes from a Slow Civil War, discusses the growing threats of political violence and his belief that we are in the midst of a gradually unfolding civil war. They explore Trumpism, populism, and far-right Christian nationalism, criticize fact-checking methods, and delve into personal experiences from rallies and a church practicing 'war theology'. The podcast also discusses viruses, design, cybersecurity, and the legacy of Harry Belafonte in the fight for racial and social justice.

Ben and Khalil are joined by their friend Jelani Cobb, Dean of Columbia Journalism School and New Yorker staff writer, to talk about 50 years of hip hop. They discuss what the music meant to them growing up in Chicago and New York. They talk about the documentary Fight the Power: How Hip Hop Changed the World, and also about how the music’s legacy lives on. Additional links: Fight the Power: How Hip Hop Changed the World, Chuck D’s PBS documentary Hip Hop at 50: An Elegy by Jelani Cobb for The New YorkerSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Minnesota Attorney General Keith Ellison joins Khalil and Ben to discuss prosecuting the officers involved in George Floyd's murder, racial inequalities in Minneapolis, and the need to address police violence. They also highlight the importance of criminal prosecution, administrative firings, and specific actions for meaningful police reform.

Khalil talks to Ben about a recent trip he took to South Africa and what America can learn from the country’s efforts to reckon with its racist past. Nearly 30 years after apartheid ended, reconciliation remains elusive and reparations are still unpaid.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Friendships like Ben and Khalil's are rare in America, according to the numbers. In this episode, they talk about the social science on interracial friendships, and about the particular conditions that made their friendship possible. Plus, why these friendships are important in bridging our deeply divided country.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Romance across race and religion has been the focus of a bunch of movies – some comedies, some dramas. Kenya Barris and Jonah Hill are taking a swing at it now, with their new movie, ‘You People.’ Ben and Khalil talk about its attempts to address the intricacies of a relationship between a Black, Muslim woman and a white, Jewish man. Is this a successful update to the 1967 classic ‘Guess Who’s Coming to Dinner’?See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Sports have always been political, despite what some fans might like to believe. So what role should athletes play in political movements? Malcolm Gladwell joins Ben and Khalil to discuss the history of activism in sports, including his recent podcast, Legacy of Speed, about Tommie Smith and John Carlos – two Black sprinters who raised their fists in protest at the 1968 Olympic Games.  Listen to Legacy of Speed at pushkin.fm, or wherever you get your podcasts.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Here’s a special episode from a new Pushkin podcast, Started From the Bottom. Host Justin Richmond interviews successful people with humble origins who managed to scale the summit of success – people who grew up on the outside, people of color, people who weren’t part of the old boys’ network. Justin recently sat down with media firebrand Charlamagne Tha God – over his 25 year career, he’s clawed his way to the top of the radio industry. Justin asked the long-time host of The Breakfast Club what it took for him – a young man suffering from anxiety, constantly in and out of jail – to become an icon of modern media. Hear more from Started From the Bottom at apple.co/thebottom.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Matthew Guterl is a historian of race and nation at Brown University, and also Khalil’s other white best friend. He joins the show to discuss his powerful new memoir, Skinfolk. It’s about his experience growing up in New Jersey during the 1970s, part of a large family with multiracial and adopted siblings. The three of them have a frank conversation about family dynamics and the limits of transracial adoption.  You can order a copy of Skinfolk here: https://wwnorton.com/books/9781324091714See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.