Jeff Sharlet, experienced journalist and author of The Undertow: Scenes from a Slow Civil War, discusses the growing threats of political violence and his belief that we are in the midst of a gradually unfolding civil war. They explore Trumpism, populism, and far-right Christian nationalism, criticize fact-checking methods, and delve into personal experiences from rallies and a church practicing 'war theology'. The podcast also discusses viruses, design, cybersecurity, and the legacy of Harry Belafonte in the fight for racial and social justice.
Trumpism has evolved into a social movement with fervent supporters who believe in its utopian vision.
The United States is experiencing a slow civil war marked by increasing polarization, armed factions, and societal divisions.
Deep dives
The Rise of Trumpism as a Social Movement
Jeff Charlotte discusses how Trumpism has evolved into a social movement, with fervent supporters who believe in its utopian vision.
The Power of Trump's Rhetoric and Trump's Speech Anatomy
Jeff Charlotte analyzes Trump's ability to captivate and manipulate crowds through his speeches, highlighting the different elements such as the 'call,' the 'snake,' and the 'bullet'.
The Possibility of a Slow Civil War
Jeff Charlotte explores the idea of a slow civil war in the United States, citing the increasing polarization, the rise of armed factions, and the divisions within society.
The Need for Activism and Culture in the Face of Fascism
Jeff Charlotte emphasizes the importance of activism and culture in confronting fascism, drawing inspiration from the legacy of Harry Belafonte and the power of cultural movements.
Jeff Sharlet started reporting from Donald Trump’s rallies in 2015, when his presidential campaign stoked a resurgence of white nationalism and white supremacy. Since then, Jeff has traveled the country exploring the growing threats and eruptions of political violence. He writes about these experiences in his New York Times bestselling book The Undertow: Scenes from a Slow Civil War, and he sat down with Ben and Khalil to discuss the book and his belief that we are, today, in the midst of a gradually unfolding civil war.