

Some Dare Call It Conspiracy
Some Dare Call It Conspiracy
Some Dare Call It Conspiracy is an investigative podcast examining conspiracy culture from the inside out.Hosted by Brent Lee and Neil Sanders, the show explores how conspiracy narratives form, how they spread, and why they are so effective at capturing attention and loyalty. Both hosts spent years immersed in conspiracy belief before walking away, giving them first-hand insight into how these movements operate, evolve, and entrench themselves.Drawing on lived experience, deep research, expert voices, and a distinctly British sense of humour, the podcast combines serious analysis with sharp, often self-deprecating commentary. The focus is on systems, incentives, and influence, rather than punching down at ordinary people caught up in belief.The show is best known for its long-form Deep Dives into specific conspiracy narratives, commentary on conspiracy influencers and alternative media ecosystems, and interviews with journalists, researchers, and insiders working in this space.Conspiracy thinking is no longer fringe. It shapes politics, public health, and personal relationships. This podcast exists to help listeners understand that landscape with clarity, context, and a sense of proportion.---About the HostsBrent Lee is a writer, producer, and former conspiracy activist whose decision to leave the movement, and to speak openly about that process, attracted widespread media attention. On the podcast, Brent focuses on production, creative direction, and analysis grounded in lived experience.Neil Sanders is a writer and researcher who was once regarded as a respected figure within the conspiracy world. Before leaving, he authored books on mind control and MKULTRA-related narratives and hosted his own programme on David Icke’s Ickonic network. Neil now leads on research and analysis for the show.Together, they bring an insider’s understanding, investigative rigour, and a refusal to take grift seriously, even when the subject matter is heavy.---Website: https://www.somedarecallitconspiracy.comPatreon: https://www.patreon.com/somedarecallitconspiracyTwitter/X: https://x.com/somedarepodcastBluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/somedarepodcast.bsky.socialInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/somedarecallitconspiracyFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/somedarecallitconspiracyTikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@somedarecallitconspiracyYouTube: https://youtube.com/@somedarecallitconspiracyContact: somedarecallitconspiracy@gmail.comBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/some-dare-call-it-conspiracy--5932731/support.
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Jan 23, 2026 • 1h 50min
Commentary • The Razzle Stack Part Deux (2/3)
Well, well, well, initiates... we know some of you are still hungry after binging all 13 parts of our Satanic Illuminati Music Industry series.. available now on Patreon! So we have cooked up a whole new dish for you.. The Razzle Stack: Part Deux, The Unrazzleingment. It's another three parter, continuing the dramas that unfolded in the first Razzle Stack. It's just another fabulous excuse to rip into Nick Fuentes, Tucker Carlson and the whole pile of c***s. Episodes will come out weekly.. this is episode 2/3 - Enjoy!By the way.. we have also relaunched our website. Please check it out, give it a share and recommend us to your friends and family! www.somedarecallitconspiracy.com Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/some-dare-call-it-conspiracy--5932731/support.Some Dare Call It ConspiracyAn investigative podcast hosted by Brent Lee and Neil Sanders.Website: https://www.somedarecallitconspiracy.comPatreon: https://www.patreon.com/somedarecallitconspiracyTwitter/X: https://x.com/somedarepodcastBluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/somedarepodcast.bsky.socialInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/somedarecallitconspiracyFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/somedarecallitconspiracyTikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@somedarecallitconspiracyYouTube: https://youtube.com/@somedarecallitconspiracyContact: somedarecallitconspiracy@gmail.com

Jan 19, 2026 • 58min
Deep Dive • Satanic Illuminati Music Industry (6/13) [Full Series On PATREON]
Hello Initiates, and welcome to Some Dare Call It Conspiracy. In this episode, we continue our Deep Dive into the Satanic Illuminati Music Industry conspiracy theory, a long-running narrative that claims popular music is controlled by secret elites using occult rituals, mind control, and hidden symbolism to manipulate artists and audiences.Drawing on lived experience, research, and careful analysis, we trace where this theory comes from and why it continues to feel persuasive. We explore how older myths, moral panics, and recycled ideas are repackaged for new audiences, and how celebrity culture and alternative media ecosystems help keep the story alive.This series is sparked by a wave of claims circulating in alternative media, including an interview on Ickonic that alleges secret rituals, MKULTRA-style programming, and Faustian bargains within the music industry. Rather than accepting these stories at face value, we use them as a starting point to examine the evidence that is claimed, the evidence that is missing, and how vague anecdotes are often mistaken for proof.Over the course of thirteen episodes, we examine the origins of the myth, the figures who popularised it, the cultural references used as evidence, and the internal contradictions that cause the narrative to collapse under scrutiny.Some Dare Call It Conspiracy is an investigative podcast hosted by Brent Lee and Neil Sanders, examining conspiracy culture from the inside out using lived experience, research, and a distinctly British sense of humour.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/some-dare-call-it-conspiracy--5932731/support.Some Dare Call It ConspiracyAn investigative podcast hosted by Brent Lee and Neil Sanders.Website: https://www.somedarecallitconspiracy.comPatreon: https://www.patreon.com/somedarecallitconspiracyTwitter/X: https://x.com/somedarepodcastBluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/somedarepodcast.bsky.socialInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/somedarecallitconspiracyFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/somedarecallitconspiracyTikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@somedarecallitconspiracyYouTube: https://youtube.com/@somedarecallitconspiracyContact: somedarecallitconspiracy@gmail.com

Jan 16, 2026 • 1h 59min
Commentary • The Razzle Stack Part Deux (1/3)
Well, well, well, initiates... we know some of you are still hungry after binging all 13 parts of our Satanic Illuminati Music Industry series.. available now on Patreon! So we have cooked up a whole new dish for you.. The Razzle Stack: Part Deux, The Unrazzleingment. It's another three parter, continuing the dramas that unfolded in the first Razzle Stack. It's just another fabulous excuse to rip into Nick Fuentes, Tucker Carlson and the whole pile of c***s. Episodes will come out weekly.. this is episode 1/3 - Enjoy!By the way.. we have also relaunched our website. Please check it out, give it a share and recommend us to your friends and family! www.somedarecallitconspiracy.com Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/some-dare-call-it-conspiracy--5932731/support.Some Dare Call It ConspiracyAn investigative podcast hosted by Brent Lee and Neil Sanders.Website: https://www.somedarecallitconspiracy.comPatreon: https://www.patreon.com/somedarecallitconspiracyTwitter/X: https://x.com/somedarepodcastBluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/somedarepodcast.bsky.socialInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/somedarecallitconspiracyFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/somedarecallitconspiracyTikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@somedarecallitconspiracyYouTube: https://youtube.com/@somedarecallitconspiracyContact: somedarecallitconspiracy@gmail.com

Jan 12, 2026 • 54min
Deep Dive • Satanic Illuminati Music Industry (5/13) [Full Series On PATREON]
Hello Initiates, and welcome to Some Dare Call It Conspiracy. In this episode, we continue our Deep Dive into the Satanic Illuminati Music Industry conspiracy theory, a long-running narrative that claims popular music is controlled by secret elites using occult rituals, mind control, and hidden symbolism to manipulate artists and audiences.Drawing on lived experience, research, and careful analysis, we trace where this theory comes from and why it continues to feel persuasive. We explore how older myths, moral panics, and recycled ideas are repackaged for new audiences, and how celebrity culture and alternative media ecosystems help keep the story alive.This series is sparked by a wave of claims circulating in alternative media, including an interview on Ickonic that alleges secret rituals, MKULTRA-style programming, and Faustian bargains within the music industry. Rather than accepting these stories at face value, we use them as a starting point to examine the evidence that is claimed, the evidence that is missing, and how vague anecdotes are often mistaken for proof.Over the course of thirteen episodes, we examine the origins of the myth, the figures who popularised it, the cultural references used as evidence, and the internal contradictions that cause the narrative to collapse under scrutiny.Some Dare Call It Conspiracy is an investigative podcast hosted by Brent Lee and Neil Sanders, examining conspiracy culture from the inside out using lived experience, research, and a distinctly British sense of humour.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/some-dare-call-it-conspiracy--5932731/support.Some Dare Call It ConspiracyAn investigative podcast hosted by Brent Lee and Neil Sanders.Website: https://www.somedarecallitconspiracy.comPatreon: https://www.patreon.com/somedarecallitconspiracyTwitter/X: https://x.com/somedarepodcastBluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/somedarepodcast.bsky.socialInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/somedarecallitconspiracyFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/somedarecallitconspiracyTikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@somedarecallitconspiracyYouTube: https://youtube.com/@somedarecallitconspiracyContact: somedarecallitconspiracy@gmail.com

Jan 5, 2026 • 47min
Deep Dive • Satanic Illuminati Music Industry (4/13) [Full Series On PATREON]
Hello Initiates, and welcome to Some Dare Call It Conspiracy. In this episode, we continue our Deep Dive into the Satanic Illuminati Music Industry conspiracy theory, a long-running narrative that claims popular music is controlled by secret elites using occult rituals, mind control, and hidden symbolism to manipulate artists and audiences.Drawing on lived experience, research, and careful analysis, we trace where this theory comes from and why it continues to feel persuasive. We explore how older myths, moral panics, and recycled ideas are repackaged for new audiences, and how celebrity culture and alternative media ecosystems help keep the story alive.This series is sparked by a wave of claims circulating in alternative media, including an interview on Ickonic that alleges secret rituals, MKULTRA-style programming, and Faustian bargains within the music industry. Rather than accepting these stories at face value, we use them as a starting point to examine the evidence that is claimed, the evidence that is missing, and how vague anecdotes are often mistaken for proof.Over the course of thirteen episodes, we examine the origins of the myth, the figures who popularised it, the cultural references used as evidence, and the internal contradictions that cause the narrative to collapse under scrutiny.Some Dare Call It Conspiracy is an investigative podcast hosted by Brent Lee and Neil Sanders, examining conspiracy culture from the inside out using lived experience, research, and a distinctly British sense of humour.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/some-dare-call-it-conspiracy--5932731/support.Some Dare Call It ConspiracyAn investigative podcast hosted by Brent Lee and Neil Sanders.Website: https://www.somedarecallitconspiracy.comPatreon: https://www.patreon.com/somedarecallitconspiracyTwitter/X: https://x.com/somedarepodcastBluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/somedarepodcast.bsky.socialInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/somedarecallitconspiracyFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/somedarecallitconspiracyTikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@somedarecallitconspiracyYouTube: https://youtube.com/@somedarecallitconspiracyContact: somedarecallitconspiracy@gmail.com

Dec 29, 2025 • 1h 8min
Deep Dive • Satanic Illuminati Music Industry (3/13) [Full Series On PATREON]
Hello Initiates, and welcome to Some Dare Call It Conspiracy. In this episode, we continue our Deep Dive into the Satanic Illuminati Music Industry conspiracy theory, a long-running narrative that claims popular music is controlled by secret elites using occult rituals, mind control, and hidden symbolism to manipulate artists and audiences.Drawing on lived experience, research, and careful analysis, we trace where this theory comes from and why it continues to feel persuasive. We explore how older myths, moral panics, and recycled ideas are repackaged for new audiences, and how celebrity culture and alternative media ecosystems help keep the story alive.This series is sparked by a wave of claims circulating in alternative media, including an interview on Ickonic that alleges secret rituals, MKULTRA-style programming, and Faustian bargains within the music industry. Rather than accepting these stories at face value, we use them as a starting point to examine the evidence that is claimed, the evidence that is missing, and how vague anecdotes are often mistaken for proof.Over the course of thirteen episodes, we examine the origins of the myth, the figures who popularised it, the cultural references used as evidence, and the internal contradictions that cause the narrative to collapse under scrutiny.Some Dare Call It Conspiracy is an investigative podcast hosted by Brent Lee and Neil Sanders, examining conspiracy culture from the inside out using lived experience, research, and a distinctly British sense of humour.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/some-dare-call-it-conspiracy--5932731/support.Some Dare Call It ConspiracyAn investigative podcast hosted by Brent Lee and Neil Sanders.Website: https://www.somedarecallitconspiracy.comPatreon: https://www.patreon.com/somedarecallitconspiracyTwitter/X: https://x.com/somedarepodcastBluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/somedarepodcast.bsky.socialInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/somedarecallitconspiracyFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/somedarecallitconspiracyTikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@somedarecallitconspiracyYouTube: https://youtube.com/@somedarecallitconspiracyContact: somedarecallitconspiracy@gmail.com

Dec 22, 2025 • 52min
Deep Dive • Satanic Illuminati Music Industry (2/13) [Full Series On PATREON]
Hello Initiates, and welcome to Some Dare Call It Conspiracy. In this episode, we continue our Deep Dive into the Satanic Illuminati Music Industry conspiracy theory, a long-running narrative that claims popular music is controlled by secret elites using occult rituals, mind control, and hidden symbolism to manipulate artists and audiences.Drawing on lived experience, research, and careful analysis, we trace where this theory comes from and why it continues to feel persuasive. We explore how older myths, moral panics, and recycled ideas are repackaged for new audiences, and how celebrity culture and alternative media ecosystems help keep the story alive.This series is sparked by a wave of claims circulating in alternative media, including an interview on Ickonic that alleges secret rituals, MKULTRA-style programming, and Faustian bargains within the music industry. Rather than accepting these stories at face value, we use them as a starting point to examine the evidence that is claimed, the evidence that is missing, and how vague anecdotes are often mistaken for proof.Over the course of thirteen episodes, we examine the origins of the myth, the figures who popularised it, the cultural references used as evidence, and the internal contradictions that cause the narrative to collapse under scrutiny.Some Dare Call It Conspiracy is an investigative podcast hosted by Brent Lee and Neil Sanders, examining conspiracy culture from the inside out using lived experience, research, and a distinctly British sense of humour.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/some-dare-call-it-conspiracy--5932731/support.Some Dare Call It ConspiracyAn investigative podcast hosted by Brent Lee and Neil Sanders.Website: https://www.somedarecallitconspiracy.comPatreon: https://www.patreon.com/somedarecallitconspiracyTwitter/X: https://x.com/somedarepodcastBluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/somedarepodcast.bsky.socialInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/somedarecallitconspiracyFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/somedarecallitconspiracyTikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@somedarecallitconspiracyYouTube: https://youtube.com/@somedarecallitconspiracyContact: somedarecallitconspiracy@gmail.com

Dec 22, 2025 • 52min
Deep Dive • Satanic Illuminati Music Industry (1/13) [Full Series On PATREON]
Hello Initiates, and welcome to Some Dare Call It Conspiracy. In this episode, we begin our Deep Dive into the Satanic Illuminati Music Industry conspiracy theory, examining how this narrative formed, why it feels convincing, and how it has managed to endure.This is a long-form investigative series sparked by a wave of claims circulating in alternative media about secret rituals, mind control, and Faustian bargains within the music industry. Using a high-profile Ickonic interview as a starting point, we examine how vague anecdotes, recycled myths, and cultural references are repeatedly presented as evidence, and how a sprawling narrative has grown around musicians, symbolism, and alleged occult control despite a consistent lack of substantiation.Drawing on lived experience, research, and careful analysis, we take the listener step by step through the claims, context, and cultural conditions that allow this conspiracy theory to thrive, before laying out where it collapses under scrutiny.Some Dare Call It Conspiracy is an investigative podcast hosted by Brent Lee and Neil Sanders, examining conspiracy culture from the inside out using lived experience, research, and a distinctly British sense of humour.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/some-dare-call-it-conspiracy--5932731/support.Some Dare Call It ConspiracyAn investigative podcast hosted by Brent Lee and Neil Sanders.Website: https://www.somedarecallitconspiracy.comPatreon: https://www.patreon.com/somedarecallitconspiracyTwitter/X: https://x.com/somedarepodcastBluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/somedarepodcast.bsky.socialInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/somedarecallitconspiracyFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/somedarecallitconspiracyTikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@somedarecallitconspiracyYouTube: https://youtube.com/@somedarecallitconspiracyContact: somedarecallitconspiracy@gmail.com

Oct 30, 2025 • 4h 8min
Commentary • Vulture Wars: The Murder of Charlie Kirk
This episode was previously exclusive to Patreon for the last 5 weeks.. we have decided to release it to the general public now. Join us at www.patreon.com/somedarecallitconspiracy to keep up to date with exclusive and early episodes.. including 12 episodes of T.W.A.T.S you haven't heard yet!Initiates! Today, we're jumping ahead of the timeline again to cover the murder of Charlie Kirk and the ensuing Vulture Wars. In this episode we track and follow everything the Conspirasphere churned out in the first week and investigate the many narratives and conspiracy theories that arose. Join us us we try to make sense of it all.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/some-dare-call-it-conspiracy--5932731/support.Some Dare Call It ConspiracyAn investigative podcast hosted by Brent Lee and Neil Sanders.Website: https://www.somedarecallitconspiracy.comPatreon: https://www.patreon.com/somedarecallitconspiracyTwitter/X: https://x.com/somedarepodcastBluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/somedarepodcast.bsky.socialInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/somedarecallitconspiracyFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/somedarecallitconspiracyTikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@somedarecallitconspiracyYouTube: https://youtube.com/@somedarecallitconspiracyContact: somedarecallitconspiracy@gmail.com

Oct 16, 2025 • 1h 50min
Deep Dive • Natural Nurse or Toxic Influence (5/5) The Paloma Shemirani Story
Hello Initiates, and welcome to Some Dare Call It Conspiracy. In this episode, we conclude our Deep Dive into the case of Paloma Shemirani, one of the most widely discussed and emotionally charged inquests in recent UK history.This five-part series examines the story from multiple angles, including family dynamics, public controversy, medical decision-making, and the wider cultural environment in which misinformation and distrust of institutions can flourish. Our aim is to understand not just what happened, but why it resonated so strongly and what it reveals about the information landscape we are all navigating.Drawing on official inquest findings, publicly available interviews, and media and expert commentary, we work carefully through the available evidence and competing claims. We examine statements from Paloma’s family members, investigators, and healthcare professionals, grounding each episode in verifiable sources and clear context rather than speculation or sensationalism.Across the series, we explore how online influence, alternative health narratives, and community reinforcement can intersect with deeply personal decisions, often with irreversible consequences.Some Dare Call It Conspiracy is an investigative podcast hosted by Brent Lee and Neil Sanders, examining conspiracy culture from the inside out using lived experience, research, and a distinctly British sense of humour.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/some-dare-call-it-conspiracy--5932731/support.Some Dare Call It ConspiracyAn investigative podcast hosted by Brent Lee and Neil Sanders.Website: https://www.somedarecallitconspiracy.comPatreon: https://www.patreon.com/somedarecallitconspiracyTwitter/X: https://x.com/somedarepodcastBluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/somedarepodcast.bsky.socialInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/somedarecallitconspiracyFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/somedarecallitconspiracyTikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@somedarecallitconspiracyYouTube: https://youtube.com/@somedarecallitconspiracyContact: somedarecallitconspiracy@gmail.com


