

Some Dare Call It Conspiracy
Some Dare Call It Conspiracy
Welcome to Some Dare Call It Conspiracy with Brent Lee and Neil Sanders. A podcast that aims to deconstruct and demystify popular conspiracy theories. After 20 years exploring the world of Conspiracy Culture, we're taking our guests & listeners on a guided tour of the Rabbit Hole. Our mission? To discover where the truth lies. - Brent Lee is a former believer in the NWO/Illuminati Grand Conspiracy and was an activist in the Truth Movement from 2003-2018. Neil Sanders is an author covering True Crime and Psychology with a particular interest in the history of mind manipulation techniques.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/some-dare-call-it-conspiracy--5932731/support.
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Aug 28, 2025 • 1h 7min
Can AI Reduce Conspiracy Beliefs? Testing MIT’s DebunkBot - An In-Depth Review.
Today we are releasing the full episode of "Testing MIT’s DebunkBot". This was a premium episode, previously only available for our Patreons. Please consider supported us on Patreon for other exclusive episodes and benefits including early releases and ad-free content. Our members currently have access to the next 10 episodes of "The World According To Some" so join us and don't get left behind!https://www.patreon.com/somedarecallitconspiracy In today's "premium unleashed" episode, Brent Lee and Neil Sanders embarked on a deep dive to test a new AI chatbot called "DebunkBot" developed by MIT, which is touted to reduce conspiratorial beliefs by 20%.Our journey began with a discussion about the chatbot's capabilities and some initial expectations. As former conspiracists turned debunking enthusiasts, we were keen to explore its effectiveness from our unique vantage point. We simulated our past selves and presented DebunkBot with some of the prominent 9/11-related conspiracy theories, such as the controlled demolition theory, the NORAD war games, and the lack of CCTV footage at the Pentagon.The conversation with DebunkBot was enlightening. It provided detailed responses to each point we raised, explaining the structural collapse of the Twin Towers with insights on building construction and weight distribution, clarifying the routine nature of NORAD's war games and the ensuing initial confusion among responders, and delving into the technical limitations of the Pentagon’s CCTV footage during the attack. The bot was well-equipped with official narratives backed by credible evidence from multiple lines of sources, such as physical plane components, eyewitness testimony, and flight data.Despite the solid responses, we identified several areas where DebunkBot fell short. The explanations, although factually sound, often lacked the depth required to sway deeply entrenched conspiracy theorists. The chatbot delivered answers that were too straightforward, potentially missing the layers of skepticism that seasoned conspiracy believers entertain. We observed that it could appear patronizing and insufficient for those ingrained in these beliefs.To enhance DebunkBot's effectiveness, we suggested a few improvements:1. **Deeper Engagement**: Incorporate more nuanced discussions that consider the various levels of skepticism and alternate narratives conspiracy theorists might hold.2. **Personalized Responses**: Tailor responses to align with the specific doubts or assumptions the questioning individual may harbor, bridging the gap between casual skepticism and deep-seated belief.3. **Interactive Evidence Presentation**: Use interactive elements to present evidence in a more compelling and engaging manner, such as visual aids or comparisons that directly counter alternate theories.4. **Audience Trust Building**: Develop strategies to build trust with users who inherently distrust official narratives, perhaps by showing behind-the-scenes transparency of how evidence is verified and vetted.5. **Expanded Fact-Checking Capabilities**: Ensure the bot can access a broader range of verifiable sources and provide real-time links to comprehensive, detailed explanations and rebuttals.6. **Tone and Approach Variation**: Offer different tones of responses, from formal to jokey, to make the interaction more relatable and less confrontational.Ultimately, our test of DebunkBot demonstrated that while it’s a promising tool for debunking conspiracy theories with credible evidence, there is a significant need for adjustments to more effectively engage and persuade those deeply immersed in conspiracy thinking. As such, continued refinement and enhancing its capability to address both surface-level and deeply ingrained queries hold the key to its wider acceptance and success.Try DebunkBot yourself at https://www.debunkbot.com/ Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/some-dare-call-it-conspiracy--5932731/support.

Aug 21, 2025 • 1h 23min
The World According To Some (14)
As the planet spirals into a fascist dystopia, we thought someone really should keep a record of this decline. So that, when the aliens are sifting through the ashes of civilization - they might be able to see where it all went wrong. This is "The World According To Some"... or as all the hepcats are calling it "T.W.A.T.S!”Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/some-dare-call-it-conspiracy--5932731/support.

Aug 13, 2025 • 1h 50min
The World According To Some (13)
As the planet spirals into a fascist dystopia, we thought someone really should keep a record of this decline. So that, when the aliens are sifting through the ashes of civilization - they might be able to see where it all went wrong. This is "The World According To Some"... or as all the hepcats are calling it "T.W.A.T.S!”Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/some-dare-call-it-conspiracy--5932731/support.

Aug 7, 2025 • 2h 8min
The Final Warning of Michael Yeadon
Mike Yeadon has released his Final Warning documentary. Some are saying it is the most important film you will ever see, Whereas some are saying its a massive pile of 💩. Find out where the truth lies. Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/some-dare-call-it-conspiracy--5932731/support.

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Jul 31, 2025 • 1h 16min
The World According To Some (12)
The Thursday Twattery has arrived!!!As the planet spirals into a fascist dystopia, we thought someone really should keep a record of this decline. So that, when the aliens are sifting through the ashes of civilization - they might be able to see where it all went wrong. This is "The World According To Some"... or as all the hepcats are calling it "T.W.A.T.S!”AD FREE EPISODES ARE AVAILABLE AT https://www.patreon.com/somedarecallitconspiracy FOR JUST $2 PER MONTH TWO EPISODES PER WEEK AVAILABLE FOR $5 (PATREONS ARE CURRENTLY 7 EPISODES OF T.W.A.T.S. AHEAD OF SPOTIFY/APPLE USERS) JOIN US AND SUPPORT THE PODCASTBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/some-dare-call-it-conspiracy--5932731/support.

Jul 24, 2025 • 1h 45min
The World According To Some (11)
As the planet spirals into a fascist dystopia, we thought someone really should keep a record of this decline. So that, when the aliens are sifting through the ashes of civilization - they might be able to see where it all went wrong. This is "The World According To Some"... or as all the hepcats are calling it "T.W.A.T.S!”AD FREE EPISODES ARE AVAILABLE AT https://www.patreon.com/somedarecallitconspiracy FOR JUST $2 PER MONTH TWO EPISODES PER WEEK AVAILABLE FOR $5 (PATREONS ARE CURRENTLY 5 EPISODES OF T.W.A.T.S. AHEAD OF SPOTIFY/APPLE USERS) JOIN US AND SUPPORT THE PODCASTTopics today include:1. Trump thinks he’s Napoleon2. Elon has another child, Milo is creepy Alex Jones is a sycophant3. Elon is deformed?4. David Icke and Alex Jones continue to bicker5. Media call out Trump6. John Major calls out Trump7. 200 year olds collecting social security?8. Javier Milei crypto fascist?9. German insult laws10. David vs Alex continues11. Richard D Hall is back in courtThis episode of T.W.A.T.S. looks back at the events of 16/17 of February 2025Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/some-dare-call-it-conspiracy--5932731/support.

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Jul 17, 2025 • 2h 32min
The Turner Diaries Part Two (with Greg Hall)
We’re back for Part Two of our deep dive into The Turner Diaries, and if you thought things couldn’t get more outrageous, buckle up. This episode, we wade through the book’s most jaw-dropping plot twists—mass murder, drive-by bombings, and a logic so twisted it would make a pretzel jealous.As we dissect the second half, the book’s attempts to blame “the media” for the public’s resistance to terrorism are almost as laughable as its wild leaps of logic. And then there’s the infamous claim that feminism somehow leads to the legalization of rape—a narrative so ridiculous, we had to double-check we weren’t reading satire. Spoiler: we weren’t.Of course, the racism and antisemitism get dialed up to eleven, with the author spinning conspiracy theories that would be right at home in some of today’s darkest internet corners. But as always, we don’t just call out the hate—we skewer it with our signature humour. Sometimes, the only way to confront such absurdity is to laugh at it, and we make sure to highlight just how preposterous these arguments really are.Throughout the episode, we reflect on how far society has come (and how far we still have to go) in challenging bigotry and hate. With Greg Hall’s insights and our own lived experiences, we draw connections between these extremist ideas and the rhetoric we see online today.So join us as we take on the most toxic parts of The Turner Diaries - armed with critical thinking, a refusal to let hate go unchallenged, and, as always, a healthy dose of irreverence. It’s grim, it’s outrageous, but we promise it’s never boring.- Recap of Part One and the escalation of violence in the book’s plot (including mass murder and bombings)- Analysis of the novel’s attempts to blame the media for public resistance to the “Organization”- Dissection of the book’s absurd logic: drive-by bombings, casual sexism, and the demonization of liberalism- Deep dive into the most ludicrous narrative twist—claiming feminism leads to the legalization of rape- Examination of the book’s overt racism and antisemitism, including wild conspiracy tropes about minorities and Jews- Discussion on how the novel frames progressive social changes as existential threats and slippery slopes- Hosts and guest react to the most shocking, offensive, and preposterous passages—with trademark SDCIC humour- Drawing parallels between the book’s rhetoric and current far-right talking points online and in media- Reflection on changing social attitudes and the importance of challenging bigotry, racism, and sexism- Greg Hall shares insights on how these extremist ideas have evolved and spread in modern discourse- Emphasis on using satire, wit, and critical thinking to dismantle hate-filled narrativesAD FREE EPISODES ARE AVAILABLE AT https://www.patreon.com/somedarecallitconspiracy FOR JUST $2 PER MONTH TWO EPISODES PER WEEK AVAILABLE FOR $5 (PATREONS ARE CURRENTLY 5 EPISODES OF T.W.A.T.S. AHEAD OF SPOTIFY/APPLE USERS) JOIN US AND SUPPORT THE PODCASTBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/some-dare-call-it-conspiracy--5932731/support.

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Jul 9, 2025 • 2h 2min
The Turner Diaries Part One (with Greg Hall)
In this insightful discussion, Greg Hall, an expert on extremist rhetoric, examines 'The Turner Diaries' and its troubling legacy. He delves into the book's connections to modern far-right movements and its role in inspiring violence, particularly the Oklahoma City bombing. The conversation highlights the absurdity of the book's hateful ideologies while critiquing the dangerous narratives that shape societal views on issues like gun control and identity. Hall’s analysis and humor shine as they tackle the complex intersection of conspiracy, bigotry, and the fight against hate.

Jun 25, 2025 • 1h 35min
The World According To Some (10)
As the planet spirals into a fascist dystopia, we thought someone really should keep a record of this decline. So that, when the aliens are sifting through the ashes of civilization - they might be able to see where it all went wrong. This is "The World According To Some"... or as all the hepcats are calling it "T.W.A.T.S!”AD FREE EPISODES ARE AVAILABLE AT https://www.patreon.com/somedarecallitconspiracy FOR JUST $2 PER MONTH TWO EPISODES PER WEEK AVAILABLE FOR $5 (PATREONS ARE CURRENTLY 4 EPISODES OF T.W.A.T.S. AHEAD OF SPOTIFY/APPLE USERS) JOIN US AND SUPPORT THE PODCASTFeb 13thTulsi Gabbard confirmed as intelligence head despite fears of pro-Russia stanceHoly shit Julia Hartley Brewer is correct!Rupert Lowe has solar panels – despite Reform claiming they are a massive conElon Musk accuses Reuters of social manipulation and gets it totally wrongFeb 14thDresden conspiracies promoted by smart peopleDOGE website is insecureLidl denies Reform councillor officially opened shopElon Musk posts classified information on DOGE websiteFeb 15th:Jacqui Deevoy and UK column spout powerful nonsense about covid and HIVAlex Jones and David Icke continue to argueAlex Jones gets upset when pressed about weight loss drugsTrump tweets a Napoleon quote that implies he is above the law and Elon responds with Nazi dogwhistleDom Lucre gets invited to the WhitehouseBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/some-dare-call-it-conspiracy--5932731/support.

Jun 19, 2025 • 1h 1min
The World According To Some (09)
As the planet spirals into a fascist dystopia, we thought someone really should keep a record of this decline. So that, when the aliens are sifting through the ashes of civilization - they might be able to see where it all went wrong. This is "The World According To Some"... or as all the hepcats are calling it "T.W.A.T.S!”AD FREE EPISODES ARE AVAILABLE AT https://www.patreon.com/somedarecallitconspiracy FOR JUST $2 PER MONTH - JOIN US AND SUPPORT THE PODCAST1 Trump implies bribery is part of business2. JD Vance suggests Elon and Trump are above the law3. lawsuits against Trump and Elon pile up4. Elon has a tantrum at being made to follow the rule of law5. Judge forces reversal of DOGE policies6. David Knight is pissed at Alex Jones selling out7. Elon delivers speech from Oval officeFeb 12th1. Milk conspiracy2. Zelensky peace deal conspiracy3. Musks racist DOGE kid also helped distribute child porn4. DOGE website blocked to the public5. Errol Musk is a mentalistBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/some-dare-call-it-conspiracy--5932731/support.