

Some Dare Call It Conspiracy
Some Dare Call It Conspiracy
Some Dare Call It Conspiracy is an investigative podcast examining conspiracy culture from the inside out.Hosted by Brent Lee and Neil Sanders, the show explores how conspiracy narratives form, how they spread, and why they are so effective at capturing attention and loyalty. Both hosts spent years immersed in conspiracy belief before walking away, giving them first-hand insight into how these movements operate, evolve, and entrench themselves.Drawing on lived experience, deep research, expert voices, and a distinctly British sense of humour, the podcast combines serious analysis with sharp, often self-deprecating commentary. The focus is on systems, incentives, and influence, rather than punching down at ordinary people caught up in belief.The show is best known for its long-form Deep Dives into specific conspiracy narratives, commentary on conspiracy influencers and alternative media ecosystems, and interviews with journalists, researchers, and insiders working in this space.Conspiracy thinking is no longer fringe. It shapes politics, public health, and personal relationships. This podcast exists to help listeners understand that landscape with clarity, context, and a sense of proportion.---About the HostsBrent Lee is a writer, producer, and former conspiracy activist whose decision to leave the movement, and to speak openly about that process, attracted widespread media attention. On the podcast, Brent focuses on production, creative direction, and analysis grounded in lived experience.Neil Sanders is a writer and researcher who was once regarded as a respected figure within the conspiracy world. Before leaving, he authored books on mind control and MKULTRA-related narratives and hosted his own programme on David Icke’s Ickonic network. Neil now leads on research and analysis for the show.Together, they bring an insider’s understanding, investigative rigour, and a refusal to take grift seriously, even when the subject matter is heavy.---Website: https://www.somedarecallitconspiracy.comPatreon: https://www.patreon.com/somedarecallitconspiracyTwitter/X: https://x.com/somedarepodcastBluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/somedarepodcast.bsky.socialInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/somedarecallitconspiracyFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/somedarecallitconspiracyTikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@somedarecallitconspiracyYouTube: https://youtube.com/@somedarecallitconspiracyContact: somedarecallitconspiracy@gmail.comBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/some-dare-call-it-conspiracy--5932731/support.
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Oct 15, 2025 • 2h
Deep Dive • Natural Nurse or Toxic Influence (4/5) The Paloma Shemirani Story
Hello Initiates, and welcome to Some Dare Call It Conspiracy. In this episode, we continue our Deep Dive into the case of Paloma Shemirani, one of the most widely discussed and emotionally charged inquests in recent UK history.This five-part series examines the story from multiple angles, including family dynamics, public controversy, medical decision-making, and the wider cultural environment in which misinformation and distrust of institutions can flourish. Our aim is to understand not just what happened, but why it resonated so strongly and what it reveals about the information landscape we are all navigating.Drawing on official inquest findings, publicly available interviews, and media and expert commentary, we work carefully through the available evidence and competing claims. We examine statements from Paloma’s family members, investigators, and healthcare professionals, grounding each episode in verifiable sources and clear context rather than speculation or sensationalism.Across the series, we explore how online influence, alternative health narratives, and community reinforcement can intersect with deeply personal decisions, often with irreversible consequences.Some Dare Call It Conspiracy is an investigative podcast hosted by Brent Lee and Neil Sanders, examining conspiracy culture from the inside out using lived experience, research, and a distinctly British sense of humour.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/some-dare-call-it-conspiracy--5932731/support.Some Dare Call It ConspiracyAn investigative podcast hosted by Brent Lee and Neil Sanders.Website: https://www.somedarecallitconspiracy.comPatreon: https://www.patreon.com/somedarecallitconspiracyTwitter/X: https://x.com/somedarepodcastBluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/somedarepodcast.bsky.socialInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/somedarecallitconspiracyFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/somedarecallitconspiracyTikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@somedarecallitconspiracyYouTube: https://youtube.com/@somedarecallitconspiracyContact: somedarecallitconspiracy@gmail.com

Oct 14, 2025 • 1h 30min
Deep Dive • Natural Nurse or Toxic Influence (3/5) The Paloma Shemirani Story
Hello Initiates, and welcome to Some Dare Call It Conspiracy. In this episode, we continue our Deep Dive into the case of Paloma Shemirani, one of the most widely discussed and emotionally charged inquests in recent UK history.This five-part series examines the story from multiple angles, including family dynamics, public controversy, medical decision-making, and the wider cultural environment in which misinformation and distrust of institutions can flourish. Our aim is to understand not just what happened, but why it resonated so strongly and what it reveals about the information landscape we are all navigating.Drawing on official inquest findings, publicly available interviews, and media and expert commentary, we work carefully through the available evidence and competing claims. We examine statements from Paloma’s family members, investigators, and healthcare professionals, grounding each episode in verifiable sources and clear context rather than speculation or sensationalism.Across the series, we explore how online influence, alternative health narratives, and community reinforcement can intersect with deeply personal decisions, often with irreversible consequences.Some Dare Call It Conspiracy is an investigative podcast hosted by Brent Lee and Neil Sanders, examining conspiracy culture from the inside out using lived experience, research, and a distinctly British sense of humour.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/some-dare-call-it-conspiracy--5932731/support.Some Dare Call It ConspiracyAn investigative podcast hosted by Brent Lee and Neil Sanders.Website: https://www.somedarecallitconspiracy.comPatreon: https://www.patreon.com/somedarecallitconspiracyTwitter/X: https://x.com/somedarepodcastBluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/somedarepodcast.bsky.socialInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/somedarecallitconspiracyFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/somedarecallitconspiracyTikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@somedarecallitconspiracyYouTube: https://youtube.com/@somedarecallitconspiracyContact: somedarecallitconspiracy@gmail.com

Oct 13, 2025 • 1h 45min
Deep Dive • Natural Nurse or Toxic Influence (2/5) The Paloma Shemirani Story
Hello Initiates, and welcome to Some Dare Call It Conspiracy. In this episode, we continue our Deep Dive into the case of Paloma Shemirani, one of the most widely discussed and emotionally charged inquests in recent UK history.This five-part series examines the story from multiple angles, including family dynamics, public controversy, medical decision-making, and the wider cultural environment in which misinformation and distrust of institutions can flourish. Our aim is to understand not just what happened, but why it resonated so strongly and what it reveals about the information landscape we are all navigating.Drawing on official inquest findings, publicly available interviews, and media and expert commentary, we work carefully through the available evidence and competing claims. We examine statements from Paloma’s family members, investigators, and healthcare professionals, grounding each episode in verifiable sources and clear context rather than speculation or sensationalism.Across the series, we explore how online influence, alternative health narratives, and community reinforcement can intersect with deeply personal decisions, often with irreversible consequences.Some Dare Call It Conspiracy is an investigative podcast hosted by Brent Lee and Neil Sanders, examining conspiracy culture from the inside out using lived experience, research, and a distinctly British sense of humour.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/some-dare-call-it-conspiracy--5932731/support.Some Dare Call It ConspiracyAn investigative podcast hosted by Brent Lee and Neil Sanders.Website: https://www.somedarecallitconspiracy.comPatreon: https://www.patreon.com/somedarecallitconspiracyTwitter/X: https://x.com/somedarepodcastBluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/somedarepodcast.bsky.socialInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/somedarecallitconspiracyFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/somedarecallitconspiracyTikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@somedarecallitconspiracyYouTube: https://youtube.com/@somedarecallitconspiracyContact: somedarecallitconspiracy@gmail.com

Oct 13, 2025 • 1h 50min
Deep Dive • Natural Nurse or Toxic Influence (1/5) The Paloma Shemirani Story
Hello Initiates, and welcome to Some Dare Call It Conspiracy. In this episode, we begin our Deep Dive into the case of Paloma Shemirani, one of the most widely discussed and emotionally charged inquests in recent UK history.This five-part series examines the story from multiple angles, including family dynamics, public controversy, medical decision-making, and the wider cultural environment in which misinformation and distrust of institutions can flourish. Our aim is to understand not just what happened, but why it resonated so strongly and what it reveals about the information landscape we are all navigating.Drawing on official inquest findings, publicly available interviews, and media and expert commentary, we work carefully through the available evidence and competing claims. We examine statements from Paloma’s family members, investigators, and healthcare professionals, grounding each episode in verifiable sources and clear context rather than speculation or sensationalism.Across the series, we explore how online influence, alternative health narratives, and community reinforcement can intersect with deeply personal decisions, often with irreversible consequences.Some Dare Call It Conspiracy is an investigative podcast hosted by Brent Lee and Neil Sanders, examining conspiracy culture from the inside out using lived experience, research, and a distinctly British sense of humour.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/some-dare-call-it-conspiracy--5932731/support.Some Dare Call It ConspiracyAn investigative podcast hosted by Brent Lee and Neil Sanders.Website: https://www.somedarecallitconspiracy.comPatreon: https://www.patreon.com/somedarecallitconspiracyTwitter/X: https://x.com/somedarepodcastBluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/somedarepodcast.bsky.socialInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/somedarecallitconspiracyFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/somedarecallitconspiracyTikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@somedarecallitconspiracyYouTube: https://youtube.com/@somedarecallitconspiracyContact: somedarecallitconspiracy@gmail.com

Sep 26, 2025 • 1h 43min
Commentary • The Razzle Stack (3/3) A Far Right Ruckus
Initiates! We're jumping ahead in the T.W.A.T.S timeline to cover the recent fall out of some odious characters. Nick Fuentes and Candace Owens had a fall out, Tucker Carlson and Milo Yiannopoulos came out to join Candace in attacking Fuentes.. and everyone forgot about their ties with Ali Alexander which shows how none of them have any integrity, let alone an honest bone in their body.We decided to take this hilarious opportunity to cover the slagging match and give you a profile of these wretched characters.All three episodes are available right now for Patreons!Find the collection here: https://www.patreon.com/collection/1718932Enjoy!AD FREE EPISODES ARE AVAILABLE AT https://www.patreon.com/somedarecallitconspiracy FOR JUST $2 PER MONTH TWO EPISODES PER WEEK AVAILABLE FOR $5 (PATREONS ARE CURRENTLY 5 EPISODES OF T.W.A.T.S. AHEAD OF SPOTIFY/APPLE USERS) JOIN US AND SUPPORT THE PODCASTBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/some-dare-call-it-conspiracy--5932731/support.Some Dare Call It ConspiracyAn investigative podcast hosted by Brent Lee and Neil Sanders.Website: https://www.somedarecallitconspiracy.comPatreon: https://www.patreon.com/somedarecallitconspiracyTwitter/X: https://x.com/somedarepodcastBluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/somedarepodcast.bsky.socialInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/somedarecallitconspiracyFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/somedarecallitconspiracyTikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@somedarecallitconspiracyYouTube: https://youtube.com/@somedarecallitconspiracyContact: somedarecallitconspiracy@gmail.com

Sep 18, 2025 • 1h 28min
Commentary • The Razzle Stack (2/3) A Far Right Ruckus
Initiates! We're jumping ahead in the T.W.A.T.S timeline to cover the recent fall out of some odious characters. Nick Fuentes and Candace Owens had a fall out, Tucker Carlson and Milo Yiannopoulos came out to join Candace in attacking Fuentes.. and everyone forgot about their ties with Ali Alexander which shows how none of them have any integrity, let alone an honest bone in their body.We decided to take this hilarious opportunity to cover the slagging match and give you a profile of these wretched characters.All three episodes are available right now for Patreons!Find the collection here: https://www.patreon.com/collection/1718932Enjoy!AD FREE EPISODES ARE AVAILABLE AT https://www.patreon.com/somedarecallitconspiracy FOR JUST $2 PER MONTH TWO EPISODES PER WEEK AVAILABLE FOR $5 (PATREONS ARE CURRENTLY 5 EPISODES OF T.W.A.T.S. AHEAD OF SPOTIFY/APPLE USERS) JOIN US AND SUPPORT THE PODCASTBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/some-dare-call-it-conspiracy--5932731/support.Some Dare Call It ConspiracyAn investigative podcast hosted by Brent Lee and Neil Sanders.Website: https://www.somedarecallitconspiracy.comPatreon: https://www.patreon.com/somedarecallitconspiracyTwitter/X: https://x.com/somedarepodcastBluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/somedarepodcast.bsky.socialInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/somedarecallitconspiracyFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/somedarecallitconspiracyTikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@somedarecallitconspiracyYouTube: https://youtube.com/@somedarecallitconspiracyContact: somedarecallitconspiracy@gmail.com

Sep 11, 2025 • 1h 39min
Commentary • The Razzle Stack (1/3) A Far Right Ruckus
Initiates! We're jumping ahead in the T.W.A.T.S timeline to cover the recent fall out of some odious characters. Nick Fuentes and Candace Owens had a fall out, Tucker Carlson and Milo Yiannopoulos came out to join Candace in attacking Fuentes.. and everyone forgot about their ties with Ali Alexander which shows how none of them have any integrity, let alone an honest bone in their body.We decided to take this hilarious opportunity to cover the slagging match and give you a profile of these wretched characters.All three episodes are available today for Patreons!Find the collection here: https://www.patreon.com/collection/1718932Enjoy!Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/some-dare-call-it-conspiracy--5932731/support.Some Dare Call It ConspiracyAn investigative podcast hosted by Brent Lee and Neil Sanders.Website: https://www.somedarecallitconspiracy.comPatreon: https://www.patreon.com/somedarecallitconspiracyTwitter/X: https://x.com/somedarepodcastBluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/somedarepodcast.bsky.socialInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/somedarecallitconspiracyFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/somedarecallitconspiracyTikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@somedarecallitconspiracyYouTube: https://youtube.com/@somedarecallitconspiracyContact: somedarecallitconspiracy@gmail.com

Aug 28, 2025 • 1h 7min
Bonus • Can AI Reduce Conspiratorial Beliefs? Testing MIT's DebunkBot
Today we are releasing the full episode of "Testing MIT’s DebunkBot". This was a premium episode, previously only available for our Patreons. Please consider supported us on Patreon for other exclusive episodes and benefits including early releases and ad-free content. Our members currently have access to the next 10 episodes of "The World According To Some" so join us and don't get left behind!https://www.patreon.com/somedarecallitconspiracy In today's "premium unleashed" episode, Brent Lee and Neil Sanders embarked on a deep dive to test a new AI chatbot called "DebunkBot" developed by MIT, which is touted to reduce conspiratorial beliefs by 20%.Our journey began with a discussion about the chatbot's capabilities and some initial expectations. As former conspiracists turned debunking enthusiasts, we were keen to explore its effectiveness from our unique vantage point. We simulated our past selves and presented DebunkBot with some of the prominent 9/11-related conspiracy theories, such as the controlled demolition theory, the NORAD war games, and the lack of CCTV footage at the Pentagon.The conversation with DebunkBot was enlightening. It provided detailed responses to each point we raised, explaining the structural collapse of the Twin Towers with insights on building construction and weight distribution, clarifying the routine nature of NORAD's war games and the ensuing initial confusion among responders, and delving into the technical limitations of the Pentagon’s CCTV footage during the attack. The bot was well-equipped with official narratives backed by credible evidence from multiple lines of sources, such as physical plane components, eyewitness testimony, and flight data.Despite the solid responses, we identified several areas where DebunkBot fell short. The explanations, although factually sound, often lacked the depth required to sway deeply entrenched conspiracy theorists. The chatbot delivered answers that were too straightforward, potentially missing the layers of skepticism that seasoned conspiracy believers entertain. We observed that it could appear patronizing and insufficient for those ingrained in these beliefs.To enhance DebunkBot's effectiveness, we suggested a few improvements:1. **Deeper Engagement**: Incorporate more nuanced discussions that consider the various levels of skepticism and alternate narratives conspiracy theorists might hold.2. **Personalized Responses**: Tailor responses to align with the specific doubts or assumptions the questioning individual may harbor, bridging the gap between casual skepticism and deep-seated belief.3. **Interactive Evidence Presentation**: Use interactive elements to present evidence in a more compelling and engaging manner, such as visual aids or comparisons that directly counter alternate theories.4. **Audience Trust Building**: Develop strategies to build trust with users who inherently distrust official narratives, perhaps by showing behind-the-scenes transparency of how evidence is verified and vetted.5. **Expanded Fact-Checking Capabilities**: Ensure the bot can access a broader range of verifiable sources and provide real-time links to comprehensive, detailed explanations and rebuttals.6. **Tone and Approach Variation**: Offer different tones of responses, from formal to jokey, to make the interaction more relatable and less confrontational.Ultimately, our test of DebunkBot demonstrated that while it’s a promising tool for debunking conspiracy theories with credible evidence, there is a significant need for adjustments to more effectively engage and persuade those deeply immersed in conspiracy thinking. As such, continued refinement and enhancing its capability to address both surface-level and deeply ingrained queries hold the key to its wider acceptance and success.Try DebunkBot yourself at https://www.debunkbot.com/ Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/some-dare-call-it-conspiracy--5932731/support.Some Dare Call It ConspiracyAn investigative podcast hosted by Brent Lee and Neil Sanders.Website: https://www.somedarecallitconspiracy.comPatreon: https://www.patreon.com/somedarecallitconspiracyTwitter/X: https://x.com/somedarepodcastBluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/somedarepodcast.bsky.socialInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/somedarecallitconspiracyFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/somedarecallitconspiracyTikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@somedarecallitconspiracyYouTube: https://youtube.com/@somedarecallitconspiracyContact: somedarecallitconspiracy@gmail.com

Aug 21, 2025 • 1h 23min
Commentary • The World According To Some (14)
As the planet spirals into a fascist dystopia, we thought someone really should keep a record of this decline. So that, when the aliens are sifting through the ashes of civilization - they might be able to see where it all went wrong. This is "The World According To Some"... or as all the hepcats are calling it "T.W.A.T.S!”Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/some-dare-call-it-conspiracy--5932731/support.Some Dare Call It ConspiracyAn investigative podcast hosted by Brent Lee and Neil Sanders.Website: https://www.somedarecallitconspiracy.comPatreon: https://www.patreon.com/somedarecallitconspiracyTwitter/X: https://x.com/somedarepodcastBluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/somedarepodcast.bsky.socialInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/somedarecallitconspiracyFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/somedarecallitconspiracyTikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@somedarecallitconspiracyYouTube: https://youtube.com/@somedarecallitconspiracyContact: somedarecallitconspiracy@gmail.com

Aug 13, 2025 • 1h 50min
Commentary • The World According To Some (13)
As the planet spirals into a fascist dystopia, we thought someone really should keep a record of this decline. So that, when the aliens are sifting through the ashes of civilization - they might be able to see where it all went wrong. This is "The World According To Some"... or as all the hepcats are calling it "T.W.A.T.S!”Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/some-dare-call-it-conspiracy--5932731/support.Some Dare Call It ConspiracyAn investigative podcast hosted by Brent Lee and Neil Sanders.Website: https://www.somedarecallitconspiracy.comPatreon: https://www.patreon.com/somedarecallitconspiracyTwitter/X: https://x.com/somedarepodcastBluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/somedarepodcast.bsky.socialInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/somedarecallitconspiracyFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/somedarecallitconspiracyTikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@somedarecallitconspiracyYouTube: https://youtube.com/@somedarecallitconspiracyContact: somedarecallitconspiracy@gmail.com


