
Making Sense
“Making Sense,” the podcast channel from J.P. Morgan’s Commercial & Investment Bank, brings you views and analysis from the Investment Banking, Markets and Research businesses. In each episode, experts discuss the latest market outlooks, trends and developments impacting our complex global economy.
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Latest episodes

Jul 3, 2025 • 8min
June jobs report: Better than expectations
The U.S. economy showed surprising strength in June, adding 147,000 jobs and lowering the unemployment rate to 4.1%. However, much of this increase came from government employment, raising questions about private sector growth. Insightful discussions revolve around the Federal Reserve's potential rate cuts and how current economic data influences these decisions. The podcast also touches on the challenges posed by trade policy and its effects on consumer spending, making for a comprehensive look at the evolving financial landscape.

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Jun 30, 2025 • 47min
Uncertainty reigns: The market outlook at mid-year
Fabio Bassi, Head of Cross-Asset Strategy at J.P. Morgan, and Jay Barry, Head of Global Rates Strategy, delve into the current economic landscape. They discuss the enduring uncertainties shaping the market, including trade tensions and fiscal policies. The impact of rising U.S. tariffs on global growth and inflation is analyzed, alongside the resilience of corporate markets. Additionally, they explore the outlook for emerging markets amid geopolitical risks and the stabilization of oil prices, highlighting investor opportunities and challenges for the second half of 2025.

Jun 27, 2025 • 22min
Serving up success: Crabel Capital Management’s evolution
Michael Pomada, President and CEO of Crabel Capital Management, discusses the firm's transformation since 2008, evolving from manual to systematic trading while growing assets to over $5 billion. He emphasizes the significance of adapting investment strategies and the role of technology in risk management. Pomada also shares insights on cultivating a positive workplace culture, encouraging innovation, and promoting accountability among team members. Their engaging conversation showcases the balance between fun and performance in driving success.

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Jun 24, 2025 • 24min
Navigating the hedge fund frontier: Insights from the Elo Pension Fund
Kari Vatanen, head of Asset Allocation and Alternatives at Elo, one of Finland's largest pension funds, discusses the evolving landscape of investing. He highlights the significance of hedge funds and illiquid assets in portfolio diversification amidst market uncertainties. Vatanen shares insights on Elo's asset allocation strategy, emphasizing a balanced 60-40 portfolio approach. The conversation also touches on the challenges of valuing illiquid assets and the need for transparency and collaboration in asset management, especially during inflationary periods.

Jun 20, 2025 • 25min
Trading Insights: Data in the discretionary investment process with AKO Capital’s CEO
Patrick Hargreaves, the CEO of AKO Capital and PM of the AKO Capital Global Fund, dives into the firm's quality investment philosophy and the importance of identifying 'patterns of quality' in companies. He explains how specialized teams in market research, forensic accounting, and data science work alongside analysts to enhance investment decisions. The discussion also highlights the role of machine learning in investment processes while emphasizing the enduring significance of human judgment. Hargreaves shares insights on long-term strategies and learning from past mistakes.

Jun 17, 2025 • 18min
Trading Insights: The rise in European trading volumes
Chris Andrew, the Head of Market Structure and Regulatory Change in EMEA, brings his expertise in European capital markets to the discussion. He and Eloise Goulder explore the impressive 38% surge in European trading volumes, driven by geopolitical shifts and sector dynamics. They highlight the potential for European equities to outperform the US market. The conversation also dives into the urgent need for reforms to integrate capital markets across Europe and the challenges of creating a savings and investments union to enhance security and funding.

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Jun 13, 2025 • 19min
A deep dive into the world of investment-grade private credit
Christian O’Donnell, Managing Director at J.P. Morgan, dives into the rapidly evolving world of investment-grade private credit. He highlights how this market differs from public credit, showcasing its unique benefits for corporations and the growing demand for capital. O’Donnell discusses tailored debt solutions, the critical role of financial institutions in navigating risks, and how the landscape is changing with more public investors entering the space. Expect insights into market dynamics and strategies for capital-intensive businesses.

Jun 10, 2025 • 24min
Private credit branches out
As the private credit market continues to grow, investors are diversifying strategies across various asset classes. However, recent economic uncertainty could reshape the sector’s ongoing evolution. In this episode, Leland Price from the FICC Market Structure and Liquidity Strategy team joins Jake Pollack, head of North America Credit Trading & Global Credit Financing, for a discussion on emerging challenges and opportunities in this space. From direct lending and collateralized loan obligations (CLOs) to private credit ETFs, tune in to better understand the shifting landscape of private credit.
This episode was recorded on May 5, 2025.
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Jun 6, 2025 • 10min
May jobs report: “Steady as she goes”
The U.S. continued to add jobs at a steady pace in May, and the unemployment rate remained at 4.2% for the third straight month. Looking ahead however, factors including tariffs and immigration policy could lead to a slowdown in the labor market. What does all this mean for the health of the consumer as well as the wider economy? Join chief U.S. economist Michael Feroli and Lauren Brice from the U.S. Rates Sales team as they unpack the latest numbers.
This episode was recorded on June 6, 2025.
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Jun 3, 2025 • 22min
Are conditions favorable for an IPO market boom?
In this discussion, Keith Canton, the Head of Americas Equity Capital Markets, and Gaurav Maria, the Head of U.S. Equity-Linked Capital Markets, delve into the IPO market's recent performance. They analyze the decline in IPO volumes, driven by market volatility and geopolitical tensions. The duo highlights innovative strategies within the convertible market and discusses the emerging sector diversity in IPOs. With cautious optimism, they explore factors that could spark a resurgence, including refinancing opportunities and market resilience.