

Zach Abramowitz is Legally Disrupted
Zach Abramowitz
My name is Zach Abramowitz and I am Legally Disrupted. This podcast covers the trends disrupting the legal profession.
Once a mild mannered practicing attorney, I now am an entrepreneur and investor in disruptive legal startups. My company, Killer Whale Strategies, helps law firms, legal departments, and anyone else capitalize on the wave of disruption sweeping over the legal industry. Join me as I spotlight key players, significant trends, and innovative companies who are shaking up an age old profession.
Once a mild mannered practicing attorney, I now am an entrepreneur and investor in disruptive legal startups. My company, Killer Whale Strategies, helps law firms, legal departments, and anyone else capitalize on the wave of disruption sweeping over the legal industry. Join me as I spotlight key players, significant trends, and innovative companies who are shaking up an age old profession.
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Oct 16, 2025 • 33min
E30 - Is AI Disrupting ALSPs? Axiom CSO Catherine Kemnitz
In Episode 30 of 'Legally Disrupted,' Zach engages in a thought-provoking discussion with Catherine Kemnitz, Axiom's Chief Strategy Officer. They address a LinkedIn debate on how AI will disrupt both Contract Lifecycle Management (CLM) and Alternative Legal Service Providers (ALSPs). Katherine offers insights from her extensive legal industry experience, including her tenure at Axiom and Thomson Reuters, highlighting major transactions and strategic pivots influenced by technological advancements.
In this episode:
Catherine Kemnitz's Career Journey
Axiom's Strategic Moves and Innovations
The Impact of AI on Legal Services
Generative AI and Legal Tech Evolution
AI Adoption in Legal Departments vs. Law Firms
Axiom's Approach to AI and Future Outlook
Learn More:
Zach - https://www.legallydisrupted.com/
Catherine - https://www.axiomlaw.com/about-us/our-team
Follow Along:
Zach - linkedin.com/in/zachabramowitz
Catherine - https://www.linkedin.com/in/catherinekemnitz

Oct 8, 2025 • 49min
E29 - Why Firms Are Buying Niche AI, Centari Founder Kevin Walker
Zach sits down with Centari founder Kevin Walker to unpack the opportunities and obstacles of selling AI to law firms when it isn’t a generalized assistant like ChatGPT or Harvey. Kevin makes the case for why tackling highly specialized problems, such as Deal Intelligence, delivers unique, lasting value to firms.
In this episode:
Understanding Centari's Vision
Unique Market Insights and Adoption
Challenges and Opportunities in Legal Tech
Building Trust with Law Firms
Future of Legal Practices
Fried Frank Partnership
Navigating Market Noise
First Principles and Differentiation
AI Adoption in Law Firms
Reddit Thread Controversy
Building a Strong Company Culture
Learn More:
Zach - https://www.legallydisrupted.com/
Kevin - https://www.centari.com/about-us
Follow Along:
Zach - linkedin.com/in/zachabramowitz
Kevn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/kpwalker1, https://x.com/_kevinwalker?lang=en

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Sep 14, 2025 • 44min
E28 - Zach and Richard's Excellent Legal AI Adventure: Inside Eudia's Groundbreaking AI-First Law Firm
Richard Tromans, founder of Artificial Lawyer and expert in legal tech, joins Zach to explore the revolutionary landscape of AI in legal services. They dive into the implications of non-lawyer ownership, the potential of AI in transactional work, and the evolving business models of AI-first firms. Richard elaborates on how these new entities might disrupt traditional firms and the regulatory challenges surrounding them. The discussion also touches on the practical ROI of legal tech and what this shift means for future market dynamics.

Aug 19, 2025 • 37min
E27 - Zach and Richard's Legal AI Adventure: Big Deals and AI Revolution
In this episode of 'Legally Disrupted,' host Zach Abramowitz introduces a new recurring segment called 'Zach and Richard's Legal AI Adventure' with Richard Tromans from Artificial Lawyer. They discuss the rapid evolution in the legal tech sphere, particularly focusing on big deals and announcements from legal AI companies like Harvey and Legora. The duo debates the impact of generative AI productivity platforms on the legal market, the notion of a 'land grab' as firms race to adopt AI, and the potential for AI to become universally adopted in legal workflows. They also touch on the pricing dynamics of legal tech and the challenges faced by legacy companies in incorporating AI.
In this episode:
Summer Surge in Legal AI Deals
Generative AI Platforms for Lawyers
Market Share and Productivity Tools
Global Legal Market and Pricing Strategies
Emerging Competitors and Market Dynamics
The Battle for Legal AI Dominance
The Future of Legal Tech Giants: Mergers and Acquisitions
The Role of Investors in Legal Tech
The Importance of Specialization in Legal Tech
The Future of AI in Legal Tech: Assistants vs. Automators
Learn More:
Zach - https://www.legallydisrupted.com/
Richard - tromansconsulting.com, artificiallawyer.com
Follow Along:
Zach - linkedin.com/in/zachabramowitz
Richard - linkedin.com/in/artificiallawyer, https://x.com/ArtificialLawya

Aug 15, 2025 • 39min
E26 - Exploring Legal Tech Investments in the Post-ChatGPT World with Chris Fisher and Jonathan Levy
In episode 26 of 'Legally Disrupted,' host Zach Abramowitz brings us a live conversation from the Legal Innovators California Conference in San Francisco. The discussion features Chris Fisher of Myriad Ventures and Jonathan Levy of Y Combinator, two prominent investors in the legal tech space. They delve into the shifts in legal tech investments from the pre-ChatGPT era to the post-ChatGPT world, the impact of AI on legal services, and the emerging talent in the field. The investors also share insights on their investment strategies, the importance of domain expertise, and their vision for the future of legal tech.
In this episode:
Investing in Legal Tech: Pre and Post ChatGPT
The Talent Surge in Legal Tech
AI's Impact on Legal Practices
Future of AI in Legal: Opportunities and Challenges
AI in Legal Apprenticeship
AI as a Junior Associate
Investment Strategies in Legal Tech
Specialized Legal Tech Solutions
VC Model and AI Startups
Evaluating Legal Tech Startups
Productizing Legal Services
Learn More:
Chris - https://www.myriadventures.com/profile/chris-fisher
Jonathan - https://www.ycombinator.com/people
Zach - https://www.legallydisrupted.com/
Follow Along:
Chris - https://www.linkedin.com/in/chris-fisher-111a9025
Jonathan - https://www.linkedin.com/in/jon-levy-b98986b3
Zach - linkedin.com/in/zachabramowitz

Aug 9, 2025 • 48min
E25 - Are Lawyers Adopting AI? With David Wong and Raghu Ramanathan
E25 - Are Lawyers Adopting AI? With David Wong and Raghu Ramanathan
In episode 25 of 'Legally Disrupted,' host Zach Abramowitz sits down with David Wong, Chief Product Officer at Thomson Reuters and Ragunath (Raghu) Ramanathan, President of Legal Professionals and Government at Thomson Reuters, to discuss the 2025 Future of Professionals Report. The conversation explores AI's increasing adoption and its impact on the legal industry.
In this episode:
Discussing the Future of Professionals Report
AI Adoption and Productivity Insights
Comparing In-House Legal Departments and Law Firms
AI Strategy and Leadership in Law Firms
Understanding the ROI in Law Firms
Time Savings and Efficiency Gains
Quality Improvements and Creative Benefits
Adoption Strategies in Small vs. Large Firms
Thomson Reuters' AI Strategy and Market Position
Domain-Specific AI vs. General AI
References:
2025 Future of Professionals Report - https://www.thomsonreuters.com/content/dam/ewp-m/documents/thomsonreuters/en/pdf/reports/future-of-professionals-report-2025.pdf
Learn More:
David - https://www.thomsonreuters.com/en/about-us/executive-team
Raghu - https://www.trust.org/people/ragunath-ramanathan/
Zach - https://www.legallydisrupted.com/
Follow Along:
David - https://ca.linkedin.com/in/dfwong
Raghu - https://www.linkedin.com/in/raghunathr
Zach - linkedin.com/in/zachabramowitz

Jul 2, 2025 • 35min
E24 - A Deep Dive into Harvey's Rapid Ascent with Tara Waters, TLW Consulting
Tara Waters, founder of TLW Consulting and former Chief Digital Officer at Ashurst, shares her insights on the rise of Harvey in legal AI. She reflects on the journey of adopting AI tools within global firms and how skepticism has shifted to practical use. Tara emphasizes the need for law firms to rethink their business models and workflows instead of merely selecting new tools. The discussion highlights the balance between excitement for innovation and the challenges of integrating AI into legal practices.

Jun 10, 2025 • 33min
E23 - Investment Hype vs. Reality in Legal AI, Eli Amsellem, Ridge Ventures
Eli Amsellem, an investor at Ridge Ventures specializing in legal AI, joins to dissect the investment landscape in this field. He addresses the stark contrast between the hype around big valuations and the reality of customer adoption. Eli shares firsthand insights from engaging with legal professionals and hosting gatherings for GCs. The discussion includes the future of legal AI, weighing horizontal assistants against vertical automation, with a spotlight on companies like Harvey and Legorm. A nuanced look at innovation, challenges, and opportunities in legal tech unfolds.

May 7, 2025 • 50min
E22 - Is AI For Contract Review Exciting? Preston Clark and Electra Japonas from LawInsider and oneNDA
In this episode, Zach delves into the evolution and impact of AI on contract management with Preston Clark and Electra Japonas.
In this episode:
AI and Contracts: A Boring Use Case
The Adoption Curve of AI in Legal
The Story of Law Insider
The Birth of One NDA
The Future of AI and Contracting
Legacy Product Overview
AI Capabilities and New SKU
User Growth and Market Excitement
Product Distribution and Democratization
Customer Focus and Data Utilization
CLM Market Insights and Future
Learn More:
Electra - https://www.onenda.org/about
Preston - https://www.lawinsider.com/resources/contributors/preston-clark
Zach - https://www.legallydisrupted.com/
Follow Along:
Electra - https://uk.linkedin.com/in/electra-japonas
Preston - https://www.linkedin.com/in/prestonjclark
Zach - linkedin.com/in/zachabramowitz

Apr 24, 2025 • 30min
E21 - ChatGPT vs. Legaltech -- Who Will Win? Lawyer & Technologist Carolyn Elefant
This episode of Zach Abramowitz is Legally Disrupted features a conversation with lawyer and technologist Carolyn Elefant about whether legal specific tools and legacy software will be able to keep up with general applications like ChatGPT.
In this episode:
The Rapid Evolution of AI in Law
The Future of AI in Legal Practice
Exploring AI Tools for Lawyers
Legal Research and AI Integration
The Impact of AI on Legal Research
The Future of Legaltech and AI
Learn More:
Carolyn - https://lawofficesofcarolynelefant.com/
Zach - https://www.legallydisrupted.com/
Follow Along:
Carolyn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/carolynelefant/
Zach - linkedin.com/in/zachabramowitz


