

Revenue Builders
Force Management
Welcome to the Revenue Builders podcast, a weekly show featuring B2B sales leaders and executives. Hosted by Five-time CRO John McMahon and Force Management’s Co-Founder John Kaplan, the show goes in the barrel, behind the scenes with the people who have been there, done that and seen the results. Revenue Builders covers the best practices for scaling and growing your business, while sharing the pitfalls to avoid. Great conversation. Solid interviews. Tangible takeaways to help you succeed. If you enjoy our content, please subscribe, rate and review the show to help us reach more people.
This show is brought to you by: Force Management where we help companies improve sales performance, executing their growth strategy at the point of sale. Check out forcemanagement.com more information
This show is brought to you by: Force Management where we help companies improve sales performance, executing their growth strategy at the point of sale. Check out forcemanagement.com more information
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Jun 20, 2024 • 24min
Mental Toughness in Sales
Guests Marcy Stoudt, Jim Pouliopoulus, and Greg Poss share insights on avoiding burnout, overcoming negativity bias, and applying mental toughness in sales. Topics include work-life balance, training the brain to focus on positivity, and rewiring the brain for success.

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Jun 16, 2024 • 9min
Discovery and Aligning to Your Buyer with Doug May
Doug May, Senior Vice President of Productivity at Harness, discusses the art of discovery and aligning with buyers. Key topics include pre-meeting research, industry pressures, financial conditions, and aligning solutions with customer strategies

Jun 13, 2024 • 1h 11min
Selling to the Government with Tom Smerczynski
If you’re looking to improve your company’s ability to sell into the government, this Revenue Builder’s episode is for you. Our guest, Tom Smerczynski has decades of experience in winning government contracts. He’s held numerous senior executive roles, generating billions of dollars in deal flow and corporate value. His expertise lies in developing high-performance organizations within the complex government acquisition and procurement system. As CEO and President of the Talisman Group, founded in 2019, Tom focuses on translating strategy into growth, particularly optimizing sales in the public sector. His broad operating experience, from small businesses to global corporations, equips him with the ability to create scalable business development systems tailored to dynamic government organizations, while his coaching and training skills enable him to guide businesses and leaders to success.In this episode, John McMahon and John Kaplan are joined by Tom Smerczynski, CEO of Talisman Group, to explore the complexities of selling to the government and engaging customers successfully. Tom, a government contracting expert with decades of experience, shares valuable insights on proper discovery, understanding procurement systems, and using contract vehicles effectively. The conversation delves into the significance of gathering and leveraging information, identifying key government roles, and finding the information you need to get ahead of the contracts. Additionally, the hosts provide guidance on building a robust sales pipeline, understanding industry language, and identifying essential players in customer engagement. They emphasize the importance of past performance, value differentiation, and aligning sales teams with specific government contracts and agencies. This episode serves as a comprehensive guide for companies aiming to navigate government sales and advance their sales strategies to win dealsTune in and learn more about this episode of The Revenue Builders Podcast.HERE ARE SOME KEY SECTIONS TO CHECK OUT[00:02:33] Understanding Government Sales[00:04:12] Importance of Information in Government Sales[00:06:39] Navigating Government Contract Vehicles[00:08:50] Strategies for Winning Government Contracts[00:11:36] Role of Prime Contractors and Task Orders[00:13:46] Influencing RFPs and Early Access to Information[00:17:23] Building Effective Sales Teams for Government Contracts[00:28:05] Leveraging Past Performance and Experience[00:38:07] Understanding Government Contract Vehicles[00:38:51] The Importance of Experience and Knowledge[00:39:27] Navigating Government Sales Cycles[00:41:31] Leveraging Information Tools for Government Contracts[00:44:23] Breaking Down Government RFPs: Sections C, L, and M[00:47:10] Building a Compliance Matrix[00:48:31] Effective Government Sales Strategies[00:57:01] Structuring a Government Sales Team[00:59:46] Developing a Roadmap for Government Sales[01:03:17] Engaging with Government CustomersADDITIONAL RESOURCESLearn more about aligning customer-facing teams to improve execution: https://forc.mx/48o1jyPConnect and learn more about Thomas "Tom" Smerczynski.LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/thomas-tom-smerczynski-b8b43a7/E-mail: tsmerczy@verizon.netHIGHLIGHT QUOTES[00:44:53] On Understanding RFPs: "Every federal procurement is pretty much consistent now. Section C is the scope of work, Section L is the instructions, and Section M is the evaluation criteria."[01:06:01] On Building Roadmaps for Success: "Before you start investing too much money, look at the infrastructure, tools, and technology needed." Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Jun 9, 2024 • 8min
Pain and Gain: Aligning Technical Sales
In this curated episode of the Revenue Builders Podcast, John McMahon and John Kaplan are joined by John Care from Mastering Technical Sales to discuss the crucial role of Sales Engineers (SEs) in the sales process. They explore the dynamics between SEs and Account Executives (AEs), the importance of thorough discovery, and how SEs can leverage both pain and gain to drive successful sales outcomes. Tune in to learn how effective collaboration and a balanced approach to technical sales can transform your sales strategy.KEY TAKEAWAYS[00:00:28] The Role of Sales Engineers in Sales Dynamics: SEs often act as a counterbalance to AEs by slowing down the process to ensure thorough discovery and alignment with customer needs.[00:01:15] Importance of Discovery in Sales: Effective discovery is crucial for understanding customer problems and setting the stage for successful demos and proof of concepts (POCs).[00:02:02] The "Dash to Demo" Pitfall: Rushing to present demos without proper discovery can lead to generalized demonstrations and undefined criteria for success.[00:03:00] Balancing Pain and Gain: While most deals are driven by pain points, understanding and leveraging potential gains can significantly differentiate your sales approach.[00:05:36] The Power of Storytelling in Sales: Using before-and-after stories of other customers can effectively highlight the benefits of a solution and engage prospects emotionally.HIGHLIGHT QUOTES[00:00:57] "The biggest point of friction between sales engineers and account execs is the speed of the transaction, particularly when it relates to discovery."[00:02:09] "One of the most popular workshops that we deliver is called business value discovery, and it's really, we say, you have to paint the target before you can shoot at it."[00:03:23] "Everybody in the world, every sales methodology, says find the pain, solve the pain, you'll get the deal. However, about 20 percent of deals are driven by gain."[00:04:41] "The difference between a good SC and a world-class SC is that they can find the gain and that extra 20 percent of deals that they can put in pipeline to help the AE."[00:07:18] "The best sales conversations include pain and gain. One without the other is not a very successful sales call."Listen to the full episode with John Care through this link: https://revenue-builders.simplecast.com/episodes/the-value-of-sales-engineers-in-the-sales-process-with-john-care/Check out John McMahon’s book here:Amazon Link: https://a.co/d/1K7DDC4Check out Force Management’s Ascender platform here: https://my.ascender.co/Ascender/ Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Jun 6, 2024 • 1h 6min
Rethinking Success and Finding Purpose with Doug Holladay
Doug Holladay, author of 'Rethinking Success' and founder of PathNorth, discusses illusions of success, redefining personal identity, embracing vulnerability, importance of relationships, and finding meaning through shared narratives.

Jun 2, 2024 • 7min
Key Factors that Help a Company Scale
Neeraj Agrawal, General Partner at Battery Ventures, discusses key dimensions of successful startups: market, team, technology, and deal terms. Emphasizes market timing and product quality in the cloud era. Highlights the need for strong sales processes and a large TAM to cover early mistakes.

May 30, 2024 • 1h 19min
Behind the Deal: Engaging the Economic Buyer Part II
Experienced economic buyer Carl Froggett discusses engaging economic buyers in tech deals with host Joe Lynch. They cover strategies for effective sales, navigating complex processes, leveraging champions, managing internal opposition, and the importance of end-user experience in technology adoption.

May 26, 2024 • 8min
Driving Consistency as You Scale with Joe Young
In this curated episode of the Revenue Builders Podcast, John McMahon and John Kaplan dive into a discussion with Joe Young, the Vice President of Worldwide Commercial Sales at Zscaler. They explore the challenges of maintaining consistency in the sales process across different teams and segments. Joe shares insights into how they align the inside and outside sales processes, ensuring smooth transitions and effective sales execution.KEY TAKEAWAYS[00:00:55] Consistency in Processes: Maintaining consistency in the sales process across different teams and segments is crucial for effective sales execution.[00:02:32] Standardization Across Stages: Standardizing fundamental sales processes across each stage ensures that reps are equipped with necessary skills for smooth transitions and quicker ramps.[00:03:43] Focus on Key Needle Movers: Prioritizing key aspects of the sales process, such as pain identification and champion building, helps reps ramp more quickly into their roles.[00:04:43] Establishing the Three Why's: Understanding the reasons behind a customer's decision to buy—why buy anything, why buy now, and why buy from me—lays the foundation for effective sales engagement.[00:06:33] Mapping the Sales Process: Mapping out the sales process stage by stage helps maintain clarity and alignment, ensuring that reps understand their roles and responsibilities at each stage.HIGHLIGHT QUOTES[00:01:41] "Our job is promoting people... It's recruit and develop the future generation of sales talent and sales leadership at the company."[00:05:09] "Regardless of what the qualification criteria is, you've got to be able to scoop up those three big things."[00:07:55] "If we do the right things in stages 1 through 3, it's a proof of value. We should be delivering a proposal in stage 4 and hopefully closing."Listen to the full episode with Joe Young through this link: https://revenue-builders.simplecast.com/episodes/from-inside-to-outside-sales-the-growth-and-progression/Check out John McMahon’s book here:Amazon Link: https://a.co/d/1K7DDC4Check out Force Management’s Ascender platform here: https://my.ascender.co/Ascender/ Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

May 23, 2024 • 30min
REPLAY: The Navy SEAL Approach to Leadership
This episode of the Revenue Builders Podcast, hosted by John McMahon and John Kaplan, is a special replay focusing on leadership and resilience insights from Navy SEAL veterans Mike Hayes and Brent Gleason. Hayes, a former commanding officer of SEAL Team 2 and current SVP and COO of VMware, discusses his book "Never Enough" and the importance of constantly striving for improvement, embracing difficult situations, and fostering a team-oriented mindset. Gleason shares his SEAL experiences and insights from his book "Embrace the Suck," underscoring the significance of persistence, purpose, and passion in overcoming adversity. Both interviews delve into how SEAL training philosophies on embracing challenges, dynamic subordination, and the mental aspect of enduring hardships can be applied to business leadership and personal growth, promoting a narrative of continuous learning and team cohesion.Tune in and learn more about this episode of The Revenue Builders Podcast.HERE ARE SOME KEY SECTIONS TO CHECK OUT[00:00:47] Memorial Day Special: Lessons from Veterans[00:01:07] Mike Hayes: Leadership Lessons from a Navy SEAL[00:02:15] Embracing Challenges and the Concept of 'Never Enough'[00:10:35] The SEAL Mindset: Team, Teammate, Self[00:14:59] Dynamic Subordination and Leadership in SEALs and Business[00:18:51] Brent Gleason: Embracing the Suck for Extraordinary Life[00:20:44] The SEAL Training Experience and Building Resilience[00:24:08] Channeling Pain and Persistence for SuccessADDITIONAL RESOURCESLearn more about aligning customer-facing teams to improve execution: https://forc.mx/48o1jyPLearn more about Mike Hayes.https://www.thisismikehayes.comLearn more about Brent Gleeson.http://www.brentgleesonspeaker.com/index.htmlHIGHLIGHT QUOTES"You're only excellent if you know you're never excellent enough" - Mike: [00:03:52] “Whatever ways we define 'better', I think it has nothing to do with seniority, age, or where we are in our careers. You can be ninety-something years old and still be trying to get better at different things.”"Brent on having a passion for what you're trying to accomplish": [00:28:24] “If you think about any lofty goal we've ever pursued in life whether it's sports, work, charitable organizations, or in relationships, no lofty goal is ever achieved without some stress, pain, and adversity.” Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

May 19, 2024 • 11min
The Right Hire for Customer Success with Dan Barrett
Dan Barrett, Executive VP of Customers at MongoDB, discusses transitioning customer success from reactive to proactive, hiring the right profiles for success, understanding customer churn complexities, and listening to customer feedback. Key takeaways include disciplined processes, balancing skill and will in hiring, and pitfalls in customer success leadership.


