

Education Futures
Svenia Busson & Laurent Jolie
A podcast about the future of education in the age of AI. We bring together interdisciplinary voices to explore how we can shape more desirable futures for learning.
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Dec 29, 2025 • 40min
A student's take on learning in the age of AI
What does school look like through the eyes of a 15-year-old who actually uses AI to learn, not just to finish homework faster?In this episode of Education Futures, Laurent & Svenia sit down with Hudson, a high school student from San Diego who is already doing computer science education research, and working with a UCSD mentor on learning science–informed approaches to teaching.Hudson shares a strikingly clear perspective on what’s broken in today’s education system, and what could be rebuilt in the age of AI.Rather than focusing on AI literacy, tools, or prompt engineering, he argues for something deeper: teaching students how to think.People & institutions mentioned:Art of Problem Solving for Math education - https://artofproblemsolving.com/Carnegie Mellon University – LearnLab - Kenneth Koedinger & John Stamper (intelligent tutoring systems) https://learnlab.org

Dec 22, 2025 • 26min
Why teach coding in the age of vibe coding
Is learning how to code still relevant when AI can generate code for us?In this episode of Education Futures, we sit down with Dora Palfi, founder of imagi, to explore what computer science education should become in an AI-driven world — and what must not be lost along the way.Dora has a background in computer science and neuroscience and has spent years working at the intersection of education, technology, and equity. Her core conviction is clear: AI should not become a shortcut that removes understanding, agency, and critical thinking from learning.We discuss why coding still matters — not as a job guarantee, but as a way to understand how the world works — and why telling students they don’t need to understand technology anymore is not only wrong, but patronizing.Check out "hour of AI" a Loveable x OpenAI x imagi initiative: https://imagilabs.com/pages/hour-of-codeWe discussed the book "IF ANYONE BUILDS IT,EVERYONE DIES" - Eliezer Yudkowsky & Nate Soareshttps://ifanyonebuildsit.com/

Dec 16, 2025 • 39min
🇬🇧 A youth dialogue on keeping the future human
In this special award-winning series for the Future of Life Institute's Keep the Future Human contest, host Svenia Busson sits down with teenagers from across Europe and the US.In this episode, host Svenia Busson sits down with three international students based in Paris and Barcelona: Emma (13), Jack (14), and Hector (16). Moving between metaphors of movies and video game controllers, they tackle a fear that isn't about Terminator robots, but about something much quieter: human atrophy.Together, they debate the "Wall-E Scenario"—a future where AI solves every problem so efficiently that humans forget how to walk, think, or care. They argue that our imperfections, our slowness, and our need to make an effort aren't bugs to be fixed by an algorithm—they are the very features that make life meaningful.In this episode, we discuss:The Wall-E Scenario: Jack’s fear that comfort will lead to cognitive laziness and the loss of critical thinking.The "Off" Button: Why retaining an "overriding capacity" is non-negotiable for the next generation.Profit vs. People: Hector’s call for AI that prioritizes equality over efficiency.The Beauty of Imperfection: Emma’s argument that a "human future" is one where we are allowed to make mistakes.

Dec 16, 2025 • 35min
🇩🇪 A youth dialogue on keeping the future human
(EPISODE IN GERMAN - FOR THE ENGLISH SUBTITLES CHECK OUR YOUTUBE CHANNEL: https://youtu.be/tiLh9Jq1ApU)In dieser preisgekrönten Folge der Podcast-Serie "A youth dialogue on keeping the future human" spricht Gastgeberin Svenia Busson mit drei Schülern aus Berlin und Hamburg: Flor (13), Luca (15) und Sofia (15). Während sich die globale Debatte oft auf zukünftige Risiken konzentriert, leben diese Schüler bereits heute mit der Realität von KI im Klassenzimmer.Sie geben einen offenen Einblick, wie KI die Bildung schon jetzt verändert – von Lehrern, die mit Drohungen auf ChatGPT-Aufsätze reagieren, bis hin zur sehr realen Angst vor Deepfakes, die die Gesellschaft spalten. Sie argumentieren, dass Verbote keine Lösung sind; stattdessen fordern sie, dass Schulen kritisches Denken und KI-Kompetenz von Anfang an vermitteln.In dieser Episode diskutieren wir u.a:Ungleichheit und die "Superreichen": Flor (13) stellt eine brutale ethische Frage an die Entwickler: "Unterstützt es viele Menschen oder hilft es nur den Superreichen, noch reicher zu werden?" Dies ist eine direkte Kritik an der Konzentration wirtschaftlicher Macht, einem zentralen Thema in Aguirres Essay.Datensouveränität: Luca (15) äußert eine sehr klare Sorge, nicht über die Intelligenz der KI, sondern über die Privatsphäre.Das "Her"-Syndrom (Soziale Isolation): Flor und Luca betonen die emotionale Gefahr. Sie erkennen das Risiko, dass KI Freundschaften ersetzt, nicht nur Arbeit.KI als "Super-Tutor" (Positive Nutzung): Im Gegensatz zu der Vorstellung, dass Schüler KI nur zum Schummeln nutzen, erklärt Flor, dass sie personalisierte KI-Assistenten (die ihr Vater via Fobizz erstellt hat) nutzt, um Debatten zu üben oder ihre Aussprache zu korrigieren.

Dec 16, 2025 • 42min
🇫🇷 A youth dialogue on keeping the future human
(EPISODE IN FRENCH - ENGLISH SUBTITLES AVAILABLE ON YOUTUBE: https://youtu.be/iR5IhYTjYA4)Dans cet épisode de la série primée "A youth dialogue on keeping the future human", Svenia Busson s'entretient avec trois élèves français : Alaïs (11 ans), Sarah-Léa (15 ans) et Arthur (16 ans). Alors que beaucoup craignent une IA dangereuse ou "méchante", ces jeunes redoutent quelque chose de plus subtil : qu'elle nous rende inutiles.Ensemble, ils débattent du "problème du plateau d'argent" — l'idée que si l'IA nous facilite trop la vie, nous perdons notre capacité à penser, à fournir des efforts et à grandir. Dans cet épisode, nous abordons :Le "Plateau d'Argent" : L'avertissement d'Arthur sur la commodité qui tue notre curiosité.La Valeur de l'Effort : Pourquoi Sarah-Léa pense que la difficulté est essentielle au bonheur humain.La Connexion Humaine : La définition d'Alaïs d'un "futur humain" : un monde où l'on se rencontre encore dans la vraie vie, pas juste derrière des écrans.

Dec 16, 2025 • 47min
🇺🇸 A youth dialogue on keeping the future human
In this episode Svenia sits down with Hudson (15), Joseph (15), and Violet (17), high school students in San Diego and members of their high school’s AI Club.She decodes Anthony Aguirre’s "Keep the Future Human" essay and ask these high school students burning questions around AI. Moving far beyond surface-level tech talk, they tackle the hardest ethical questions facing Silicon Valley today.In this episode, we discuss:The "Bystander Effect": Violet’s powerful challenge to tech CEOs who claim they are "just following the market."Optimization vs. Agency: How the recommendation algorithms they grew up with have shaped—and potentially hijacked—their cognitive freedom.The "Danger Triangle": A technical debate on whether adding Autonomy to General Intelligence inevitably leads to loss of control.Optimism for "Tool AI": Why Hudson believes AI should remain an "exoskeleton for the mind" (like AlphaFold) rather than a replacement for human thought.Violet shared a podcast by David Fajgenbaum (on repurposing medicine) listen to it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWIft9yiHAo

Dec 12, 2025 • 51min
AI Safety: Protecting kids, schools, and society
In this episode of Education Futures, Svenia & Laurent speak with Erin Mote, Co-Founder and Executive Director of InnovateEDU, about the urgent intersection of AI safety, youth online protection, and the future of learning systems. Erin, a leading technologist and policy voice — and a mother of two — explains why safety must come first in the EDSAFE AI Alliance framework and why protecting children means safeguarding not just their data, but their experience with AI systems.Erin breaks down the risks of biased predictive systems, engagement-optimized consumer chatbots, and AI companions — and shares emerging U.S. legislation, including a groundbreaking package of 19 federal bills focused on kids’ online safety.Together, they explore the coming disruption of the workforce: the disappearance of entry-level jobs, the difference between automation vs displacement, and what young people must learn now to thrive in an AI-shaped economy.Erin also outlines what a future-ready school must look like: human-centered, deeply relational, grounded in learning science, and designed to build judgment, discernment, dialogue, and metacognition — skills AI cannot replace.A powerful and urgent conversation for educators, policymakers, and parents navigating this arrival technology.

Dec 4, 2025 • 52min
Raising an AI-literate generation
In this episode of Education Futures, Svenia sits down with Corey Layne Crouch, educator and Chief Program Officer of AI for Education, to explore what it really means to build AI literacy across school communities. Corey shares her journey from high-school English teacher to school leader, EdTech designer, and ultimately advocate for responsible, human-centered AI adoption.She unpacks her C-Framework for AI literacy — helping students, teachers, and parents understand how generative AI works, how to use it safely, ethically, and effectively, and why foundational knowledge matters more than quick prompting tips. Corey and Svenia discuss students’ growing fears that AI may “make them lazy,” the rising risks of AI companionship tools for adolescents, and why intentional, human-centered learning is more important than ever.Together, they imagine the school of 2035, explore the opportunities of generative AI to enhance relationships and creativity, and outline what education systems must do now to protect young people and empower them to thrive in an AI-saturated world.A hopeful and essential conversation about keeping learning deeply human.Links:AI for Education – https://www.aiforeducation.io/Women in AI & Education Community - https://www.aiforeducation.io/women-in-ai-edJonathan Haidt’s research on social media, adolescent mental health, and smartphone-driven developmental changes, his book “The Anxious Generation” is worth a read: https://www.amazon.fr/Anxious-Generation-Rewiring-Childhood-Epidemic/dp/0593655036Chicago Public Schools: AI Guidebook: https://www.cps.edu/strategic-initiatives/ai-guidebook/The Rhythm Project: Michelle Culver: https://www.therithmproject.org/

Nov 26, 2025 • 53min
How to think critically in the age of AI
Tech philosopher and author Tom Chatfield joins Education Futures for a deep exploration of what it really means to learn, think, and stay human in an age of powerful AI systems.We talk about the central paradox of our era: the skills required to use AI wisely are the very ones AI risks eroding. Tom explains why LLMs should prompt us rather than replace our thinking, and how critical thinking, dialogue, embodiment, and emotional self-mastery remain irreplaceably human. We dive into practical ways to teach critical thinking, what Plato and Descartes would say about our technological moment, why pausing is essential, and how to design a school for 2040 that truly uplifts learners. A hopeful, nuanced conversation about intelligence—human and artificial—and how to build a future where technology serves our flourishing.Tom's substack: https://tomchatfield.substack.com/Tom's latest report "AI and the future of pedagogy" for Sage: https://www.sagepub.com/explore-our-content/white-papers/2025/11/03/ai-and-the-future-of-pedagogyTom's latest book "Wise Animals" https://www.panmacmillan.com/authors/tom-chatfield/wise-animals/9781529079746Tom's children book "Your brilliant brain": https://amzn.eu/d/cuFzpmoTom's book to teach critical thinking: "Critical Thinking: Your Guide to Effective Argument, Successful Analysis and Independent Study" https://a.co/d/5iZ1NI5Tom's TED talk: https://www.ted.com/talks/tom_chatfield_7_ways_games_reward_the_brainGame designer Adrian Hon's work: https://mssv.net/about/

Nov 20, 2025 • 49min
What is school for in the age of AI?
In this episode, Svenia Busson and Laurent Jolie speak with Chris Bush, an Australian teacher, school leader, and Churchill Fellow exploring how artificial intelligence can make education more equitable and human.Chris shares how he built Mitch, an empathetic AI tutor that answered 1,500 student questions in one night—proving that well-designed AI can extend teachers’ reach while caring for students’ wellbeing. His story of Ahmed, a student who doubled his grades thanks to Mitch, reveals AI’s potential to bridge learning gaps for those who can’t afford private tutoring.The conversation dives into insights from Chris’s Churchill Fellowship report on equitable AI in education, uncovering disparities between rich and poor schools, and between the global North and South. They discuss inspiring models like Chicago’s teacher-driven AI policy, the Alpha School in Texas, and national approaches in Finland and Estonia.Together, they reflect on a deeper question: What is school for in the age of AI? From redefining teacher roles to amplifying student voice, they imagine a future where AI supports—not replaces—human relationships, creativity, and critical thinking.Here are some of the insights Chris shared:Chris Bush’s AI playbook and report on Equitable AI in Education (Churchill Fellowship) www.chrisbushai.com PlayLab (AI tools for teachers) https://www.playlab.ai/ to create Chatbots like "Mitch"Oxford University’s AI Community of Practice (AI COP Oxford) led by Dr Sara Ratner https://www.linkedin.com/groups/13399032/ “Thrive” a book by Valerie Hannon : https://www.amazon.com.au/Thrive-Purpose-Schools-Changing-World/dp/1108819974 AI for Education an organization training educators to AI literacy topics in the US (https://www.aiforeducation.io/)Report re: global disparity in AI use: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/group/aiei/ai-diffusion/msockid=3043950b234760192cb984bd274766c4


