
Theology for the Church
Theology for the Church aims to provide accessible, theologically rich conversations that have an eye toward applied theology and a heart for the local church. Weekly episodes hosted by Caleb Lenard (DEdMin, The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary) cover all kinds of topics and themes in Christian doctrine, biblical theology, and Christian formation through engaging interviews with pastors, biblical scholars, and theologians from across the globe.
Latest episodes

Jul 11, 2023 • 48min
A Theology of Community with Jeremy Linneman
In this episode Caleb and guest Jeremy Linneman (DMin candidate at Covenant Seminary) lead pastor at Trinity Community Church in Columbia, Missouri discuss the topic of "A Theology of Community." Together they think through questions like: What does the doctrine of the Trinity and being created in the image of God have to do with life lived in community? How can we foster deep relationships? How do we help each other fight the epidemic of loneliness?, and more.
Resources:
Life-Giving Groups: "How-To" Grow Healthy, Multiplying Community Groups by Jeremey Linneman https://a.co/d/1hhrFuj
Why Do We Feel Lonely at Church? by Jeremy Linneman https://a.co/d/3EyfGlu
Thirty Years That Changed the World: The Book Acts for Today by Michael Green https://a.co/d/e2Uet6u
Life Together by Dietrich Bonhoeffer https://a.co/d/b5G8sgK
Find Your People: Building Deep Community in a Lonely World by Jennie Allen https://a.co/d/hBxPCkS

Jun 27, 2023 • 44min
Navigating Misinformation, Disinformation, and Conspiracy Theories with Jason Thacker
In this episode Caleb discusses the topic to how to navigate misinformation, disinformation, and conspiracy theories with Jason Thacker (PhD candidate, The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary) assistant professor of philosophy and ethics at Boyce College and research fellow in Christian ethics and director of the research institute at The Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission of the Southern Baptist Convention. In addition to defining each of these terms, Caleb and Jason address such questions as: How do Christian's engage in healthy ways with news media? How has the digital age changed how we perceive reality and changed our relationships? What are the cultural-historical-biblical roots of disinformation and misinformation? And more.
Resources:
The Digital Public Square: Christian Ethics in a Technological Society edited by Jason Thacker https://a.co/d/5hURBhZ
Following Jesus in a Digital Age by Jason Thacker https://a.co/d/24M08zt
God, Technology, and the Christian Life by Tony Reinke https://a.co/d/8Oc2oO4
12 Ways Your Phone Is Changing You by Tony Reinke https://a.co/d/5mbEyzb
Andy Crouch Author Page: https://www.amazon.com/stores/Andy-Crouch/author/B001HCWOTK?ref=ap_rdr&store_ref=ap_rdr&isDramIntegrated=true&shoppingPortalEnabled=true

Jun 20, 2023 • 49min
Why Join a Church? With Alex Duke
In this episode Caleb discusses the topic of church membership with Alex Duke (MDiv, The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary) managing editor for 9Marks Ministries, and director of youth ministry and ecclesiological training at Third Avenue Baptist Church in Louisville, Kentucky. Together they discuss the biblical and theological warrant for church membership and why the local church is essential for growth in Christlikeness.
Resources:
Church Membership: How the World Knows Who Represents Jesus by Jonathan Leeman https://a.co/d/afplinT
The Rule of Love: How the Local Church Should Reflect God's Love and Authority by Jonathan Leeman https://a.co/d/bceQkKf
Church Discipline: How the Church Protects the Name of Jesus by Jonathan Leeman https://a.co/d/iE6bcVI
One Assembly: Rethinking the Multisite and Multiservice Church Models by Jonathan Leeman https://a.co/d/iKmAhI7
The Compelling Community: Where God's Power Makes a Church Attractive by Mark Dever and Jamie Dunlop https://a.co/d/0f7kGiO
9Marks (various helpful articles) https://www.9marks.org/membership-discipline/

Jun 13, 2023 • 54min
The Bible, Philosophy, and the Christian Life with Dru Johnson
In this episode Caleb discusses the place of philosophy in the Christian life with Dru Johnson (PhD, University of St. Andrews) professor of Biblical and Theological Studies at The King's College (NYC) and the director of the Center for Hebraic Thought. If you're interested in learning more about how philosophy, Scripture, and theology interact and integrate into the life of the church, give this episode a listen!
Resources:
Biblical Philosophy by Dru Johnson https://a.co/d/iUertU1
Biblical Knowing by Dru Johnson https://a.co/d/8lOiQvf
Contextualization and the Old Testament: Between Asian and Western Perspectives by Jerry Hwang https://a.co/d/2ziGLzm
On Script Podcast (hosted by Dru Johnson) https://onscript.study/
Center for Hebraic Thought https://hebraicthought.org/
The Biblical Mind https://thebiblicalmind.org/

Jun 6, 2023 • 40min
Trembling Faith with Taylor Turkington
In this episode Caleb discusses the book of Habakkuk with Taylor Turkington (DMin, Western Seminary) via her first, and new, book Trembling Faith: How a Distressed Prophet Helps Us Trust God in a Chaotic World. Listeners will discover that their frustrating and exhausting experience with chaos, injustice, and corruption is much like that of the distressed prophet Habakkuk in the Old Testament. Therefore, they will find some of the most powerful chapters of the Bible that both confront and console you in Habakkuk, to which this conversation seeks to highlight.
Resources:
Trembling Faith: How a Distressed Prophet Helps Us Trust God in a Chaotic World by Taylor Turkington
Taylor's website: https://bibleequipping.org/

May 30, 2023 • 34min
Reading the Bible Wisely with Jonathan Pennington
In this episode Caleb is joined by Jonathan Penntington (PhD, University of St Andrews) who serves as professor of New Testament interpretation at the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary and pastor of spiritual formation at Sojourn East church in Louisville, Kentucky to discuss how to read Scripture wisely via his new book Come and See: The Journey of Knowing God through Scripture. The discussion centers on three avenues through which to read and understand the Bible: informational, theological, and transformational.
Resources:
Come and See: The Journey of Knowing God through Scripture by Jonathan Pennington https://a.co/d/8lmtlJZ
Reading the New Testament as Christian Scripture: A Literary, Canonical, and Theological Survey by Jonathan Pennington & Constantine Campbell https://a.co/d/1FXRrnI
What the Old Testament Authors Really Cared About: A Survey of Jesus' Bible by Jason DeRouchie https://a.co/d/dQ498b4
Reading the Bible with Giants: How 2000 Years of Biblical Interpretation Can Shed New Light on Old Texts by David Paul Parris https://a.co/d/8AW9SZc
Interpreting Scripture with the Great Tradition: Recovering the Genius of Premodern Exegesis by Craig Carter https://a.co/d/ddK84Th
Inductive Bible Study: Observation, Interpretation, and Application through the Lenses of History, Literature, and Theology by Richard Alan Fuhr & Andreas J. Köstenberger https://a.co/d/blvfImy

May 23, 2023 • 38min
Why Believe?: Apologetics with Neil Shenvi
In this episode Caleb is joined by Neil Shenvi (PhD, University of California, Berkely) for a conversation about the role of apologetics in the life of the church. Apologetics is simply the science and art of offering defenses for the Christian faith via Scripture, theology, logic, and philosophical reasoning. In this conversation, Caleb and Neil disuss questions like: What is apologetics? What are the different ways Christians do apologetics? What role do Scripture and systematic theology play in apologetic arguments? What is the best argument against Christianity? What role does apologetics play in family discipleship and in the local church?
Resources:
Why Believe?: A Reasoned Approach to Christianity by Neil Shenvi https://a.co/d/daFkrnR
Critical Dilemma: The Rise of Critical Theories and Social Justice Ideology―Implications for the Church and Society Hardcover by Neil Shenvi https://a.co/d/csRpw6i
Surviving Religion 101 by Michael Kruger https://a.co/d/0Rhc1AC
Why God Makes Sense in a World That Doesn't: The Beauty of Christian Theism by Gavin Ortlund https://a.co/d/dnlkA0Z
The Gospel According to Satan by Jared Wilson https://a.co/d/6cW2Ljy
For Kids: https://mamabearapologetics.com/

May 16, 2023 • 45min
Inseparable Operations with Tyler Wittman
In this episode Caleb discusses the trinitarian doctrine of inseparable operation with Tyler Wittman (PhD, University of St. Andrews) assistant professor of theology at New Orleans Baptist Theological Seminary. This doctrine teaches that all three persons of the Trinity are at work in every action outside of the Trinity’s life. This conversation explores definitions, scriptural warrant, historical and theological arguments for inseparable operations, as well as the practical implications it has for our understanding of the gospel and salvation.
Resources:
Biblical Reasoning: Christological and Trinitarian Rules for Exegesis by Tyler Wittman and Bobby Jamieson https://a.co/d/dbZymLv
Trinitarian Dogmatics: Exploring the Grammar of the Christian Doctrine of God by Glenn Butner https://a.co/d/09RRb91
The Trinity: An Introduction by Scott Swain https://a.co/d/fZRycYZ
The Biblical Trinity: Encountering the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit in Scripture by Brandon Smith https://a.co/d/31Yuaym
The Same God Who Works All Things: Inseparable Operations in Trinitarian Theology by Adonis Vidu https://a.co/d/b7h4jMG

May 9, 2023 • 39min
Trinity: Processions, Persons, and Relations with Glenn Butner
In this episode, Caleb discusses the Trinity with Glenn Butner, a professor of theology and ethics at Sterling College. They explore the origins of the doctrine, the concepts of processions, relations of origin, and personal properties, and the arguments for eternal generation. They also discuss the importance of connecting theology and practical living, understanding the Trinity for apologetics, and recommend further study resources.

May 2, 2023 • 27min
Them Before Us with Jenn Friesen
In this episode, Caleb talks with Jenn Friesen, director of operations at the up-and-coming non-profit organization Them Before Us about their mission, vision, goals, and resources. Them Before Us strives to put children before adults in every conversation about marriage and family seeking to prioritize the rights of children in the culture and courtroom, the personal and the public square because children deserve to be the primary consideration when considering what is best for, well, children.
Resources:
Website: https://thembeforeus.com/
Book: Them Before Us: Why We Need a Global Children's Rights Movement https://a.co/d/0tURoix
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