

Verse Talks
Verse
Discussing the latest news in digital art. With Leyla Fakhr, Artie Handz, Ivan Zhyzhkevych, and Jamie Gourlay.
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Mar 14, 2025 • 56min
Hot deals or falling knives, the pullback and its cultural impact, thinking about historical context
01:03 - Hunting for deals 02:47 - A market slump's effect on cultural enthusiasm 06:40 - Reassessing pricing and expanding the collector base 10:10 - Buying the top and catching falling knives 14:26 - Managing liquidity 15:46 - Navigating the market as an artist 19:22 - New mediums, new metas and perspectives 24:04 - Approaching historical context as a curator 32:15 - Watching the exit 33:30 - The market and creativity 35:29 - Total abundance and the All In Podcast 42:44 - Pacing and sustainability 48:35 - Artist highlights 52:00 - Verse rundown Obtainer: https://x.com/obtainer Kat the Poet Engineer: https://x.com/poetengineer bjorn calleja: https://x.com/bjorncalleja stoopid avatar: https://x.com/stoopidavatar Iskra Velitchkova: https://x.com/pointline elements of air: https://x.com/pointline_/status/1897615862984589505?s=46&t=Y0qIYiBAAsy4ea-t-FfRQw All In episode 218: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/all-in-with-chamath-jason-sacks-friedberg/id1502871393?i=1000698337313

Mar 7, 2025 • 1h 27min
The Giraffe, pretension vs fun, building in the space and the team's 2 ETH picks
03:00 - The Giraffe, debate, drama and narrative 07:37 - Understanding and the value of participation 11:19 - Pretension vs fun16:15 - Freedom of expression and new value systems 22:43 - The Funny Guys, Monk Antony and Le Random 25:48 - Historic importance 30:00 - Research, criticality and ignoring hype 32:50 - Diving into Kaloh's tweet - the team's 2 ETH picks 46:30 - The difficulty of building in the space 54:20 - The impact of markets and cycles on collecting 56:55 - Mainstream understanding and expanding the collector base 01:02:00 - Embracing and exploring both cultural sphere's 01:05:50 - Diving into Eli's tweet - the team's picks 01:09:18 - Higgs, Christie's and the last week' s releases 01:13:15 - Verse rundown 01:16:16 - Artist highlights Computer Critters: https://x.com/beachsideufo littlecakes: https://x.com/evrythngissoft Canek Zapata: https://x.com/canekzapata Peter The Roman: https://x.com/peterthe_romanGozo: https://x.com/uncertaingaze Tuukzs: https://x.com/tuukzs José Narciso: https://x.com/narcisojuse

Feb 28, 2025 • 1h 40min
A conversation with Alejandro Cartagena, competition and collaboration, curating AI Agents and the power of machine artists
01:40 - Embracing Web3's rollercoaster 03:20 - Navigating the intensity and finding a balance 07:57 - Living parallel lives 10:20 - Understanding new value systems and cultural shifts 14:14 - Opportunities within a lack of bureaucracy 18:00 - What denotes importance 27:00 - Grace's Tweet, competition and platform collaboration 30:20 - AI curation, Fellowship's north star and laying paths 36:25 - The reality of targeting a wider audience 40:30 - Strength in diversity and listening to the artwork 44:35 - Marketing, engagement and impact 52:00 - Unpacking keke 56:00 - Curating and guiding an AI Agent 01:00:30 - The inherent potential of a machine artist 01:02:30 - Mixed implementation of process 01:07:55 - Collector burnout 01:15:30 - The power of a timeline 01:18:20 - The evolution of the Daily program 01:24:20 - The state of the cycle 01:27:30 - Zora and fractionalisation 01:34:27 - Artist Highlights 01:38:00 - Verse Rundown Colour Charlie: https://x.com/colour_charlie Skomra: https://x.com/skomra John Gerrard: https://x.com/john__gerrard

Feb 21, 2025 • 1h 23min
Unpacking Geometric Fluidity, concept vs aesthetics, SuperRare's Discord closure
01:45 - Unpacking Geometric Fluidity 04:28 - First steps and markers06:52 - Community, creation and curation 09:58 - Proof of participation 12:00 - Tensions and criticism 16:25 - Building conversations 20:29 - Over indexing on complexity 24:25 - The Future of Man 26:48 - Collector interaction 29:45 - Artistic merit vs market value 40:00 - Emperor's new clothes and conceptual gymnastics 49:35 - SuperRare shutters their discord 52:15 - Marketing, community and authenticity 56:54 - The importance of a place for human interaction 01:00:00 - Artist-collector interaction and support 01:06:00 - Gallery outreach and bandwidth constraints 01:14:35 - 22 Algorithms, The Giraffe and predictions 01:16:42 - Artist highlights koneko: https://x.com/koneko_nyao Eddi Jones: https://x.com/eddijonesnft Chino Amobi: https://www.instagram.com/chinoamobi Mazin: https://x.com/endless_mazin Artie's #2316 thread: https://x.com/punk7635/status/1891997386135773388?s=46&t=Y0qIYiBAAsy4ea-t-FfRQw

Feb 14, 2025 • 45min
Botto post-performance, the Christie's letter, art vs slop
01:02 - Big sales and moving beyond the bubble 02:27 - Considered acquisitions 04:15 - Botto evolution and the afterlife of the work 07:09 - Thoughts on the performance and the final 22 13:41 - Community, interaction and curation 18:15 - The open letter to Christie's 21:45 - Art vs Slop 22:40 - The reality of appropriation in a contemporary practice 24:58 - A question of degree29:50 - Speed of development and a lack of understanding 32:19 - Verse rundown 38:40 - Artist highlights Gozo - https://x.com/uncertaingaze Samia Halaby - https://www.instagram.com/samiahalaby Ahtamaraneze - https://x.com/ahtamaraneze

Feb 7, 2025 • 56min
Is marketing the new curating, navigating the algorithm, chain dynamics
00:40 - The market's impact 03:15 - Chain choices and complexities 12:00 - Early constraints and historic value 15:20 - Is marketing the new curating? 17:15 - Defining curation 19:16 - Communication, context and narrative 23:20 - Differences in approach between the web3 and trad art-worlds 28:06 - Personal connections and interactions 30:06 - Navigating click bait and the algorithm 35:00 - That Botto tweet 43:13 - Artist highlights 49:35 - Verse rundown 0xvalent: https://x.com/0xvalent Canek Zapata: https://x.com/canekzapata Nat Sarkissian: https://x.com/_natsarkissianPixel Symphony: https://x.com/pixel0symphony xu0.xo: https://x.com/xo_xu0 6oryachikh: https://x.com/6oryachikh Aleksandra Jovanic: https://x.com/alexis_o_oJacek Markusiewicz: https://x.com/jmarkusiewicz Claudia Hart: https://x.com/yesclaudiahart

Feb 5, 2025 • 1h 15min
Simon Hudson on the future of Botto and the power of the DAO
02:20 - p5 and the evolution of Botto 10:22 - The future of governance and Botto's agency 15:00 - Navigating the new agentic landscape 19:25 - Botto's economy 23:50 - Responsibility, conviction and longevity 25:51 - Simon's motivations 31:50 - The power of the DAO 40:20 - p5.Botto, surprises, parallels and development 48:36 - Possible futures and directions 51:08 - Present day impact 58:18 - The AI Crypto meta, noise and communication 01:05:09 - Botto's taste and the drive to create

Jan 31, 2025 • 1h 9min
Mario Klingemann on the evolution of Botto
02:40 - Building and hacking systems 09:35 - The birth of Botto 14:10 - The importance of the DAO 18:30 - The evolution of Botto in the face of new AI development 20:40 - Botto's persona and longevity 25:30 - Styles, themes and periods 27:53 - The economy of Botto, rewards and incentives 37:45 - The genesis of P5.Botto 41:15 - How the p5.Botto system works 47:50 - The final 22 algorithms 56:43 - Long term goals and possible futures 57:48 - The tension and benefits between autonomy and governance 01:00:39 - How much of Botto's personality comes through 01:03:29 - How Mario sees things developing 01:07:10 - The importance of competition

Jan 24, 2025 • 1h 26min
AI and the art market, emerging artists, Kim Asendorf's PXL
01:25 - Crazy season 11:25 - Kim Asendof's PXL and an upward market 21:47 - Thinking about emerging artists 26:25 - Striking a balance 31:26 - Tabor Robak's Tabcorp Labs 36:24 - Verse Rundown 39:16 - Artist Highlights 40:49 - Digital natives and gaming culture 44:22 - Artist Highlights part 2 48:40 - A chat with Jo Lawson-Tancred 50:21 - Is the art world dead? 53:00 - Scepticism around AI in art 58:15 - AI within the paradigm of digital art and its culture of collecting 01:00:08 - The advent of the art market and parallels with the digital landscape 01:03:58 - Straddling the traditional and web3 spaces 01:10:20 - AI as an artist 01:14:13 - AI and The Art Market 01:20:25 - Opacity and Transparency in the trad and web3 markets Kim Asendorf: https://x.com/kimasendorf Tabor Robak: https://x.com/TaborRobak John Karrel: https://x.com/jjjjjjjjjjohn DistCollective: https://x.com/dist_cs Matto: https://x.com/matto__matto Jo Lawson-Tancred: https://x.com/jolawsontancred AI and the Art Market https://www.lundhumphries.com/products/ai-and-the-art-market

Jan 17, 2025 • 55min
Breaking new ground with Botto, Ivan heads up Artist Rooms, the Rodeo continues
00:37 - Ivan heads up Artist Rooms 01:50 - The excitement of a more open schedule 03:04 - Curation and focus for Artist Rooms 07:19 - Flexibility, freedom and consistency 11:13 - Thinking about what to show 14:54 - A difference in approach 20:07 - Foundations and backgrounds 32:13 - Breaking new ground with Botto 36:55 - Rodeo forging ahead 45:25 - The success of gamification 47:30 - Implications for the mainstream 50:20 - Verse rundown 50:43 - Artist highlightsJay's Rodeo thread: https://x.com/punk7635/status/1879324354074587191?s=46 Anna Malina: https://x.com/annaxmalina Juanna Pedro: https://x.com/PedroJuanna Andrea Litmus: https://x.com/andrealitmus Shoye: https://x.com/_SHOYE_Molly Moon: https://www.tiktok.com/@mollymoonn2?lang=en