Verse Talks

00:25 – Intro: Raoul Pal01:05 – Real Vision: why it started after the GFC/Euro crisis02:06 – Democratising finance content; early crypto coverage03:41 – Bootstrapping video: “we knew f*** all” era (2013–14)04:45 – Word of mouth growth; mistakes + learning media/tech06:40 – Art + NFTs: desire to be part of a cultural movement09:05 – Crypto Twitter as daily culture; priceless long-term record10:33 – What is “consensus”? Attention as the driver13:00 – Influencers vs. durable consensus (fleeting vs. lasting)14:32 – Do we need museum/gallery validation? Two worlds emerge16:36 – Museums, value, and attention 17:19 – Counterpoint from museum practice; cultural significance18:37 – Once museums act, value follows; UK institutions lag on digital20:56 – Egalitarian internet: anyone can show, few will sell22:19 – Raoul’s barbell thesis: ultra-culture ↔ frontier tech24:10 – Living with digital art; display that works vs. doesn’t25:33 – XCOPY supply dynamics; Beeple’s opposite path28:05 – Die With The Most Likes: world-building & collector bonds29:57 – Explaining it to the “old world”; youth curators & A&R analogy30:52 – People will write the art history; institutions must adapt32:27 – Contemporary art attention collapse; digital shows done poorly33:48 – Onboarding wealthy collectors: friction + sticker shock35:48 – Curation, custody, and NFT funds as bridges37:22 – Can outsiders “feel it” without the chats? Not yet38:52 – Is recommending digital art scary? On risk & Lindy effects40:19 – The collector’s journey: pain → pride → taste41:57 – Where are we in the NFT art cycle? Re-ratings ahead43:45 – Token incentives = attention fuel, but fleeting44:48 – Toward automated, attention-driven art funds (later)46:11 – Shiny objects vs. signal; what the experiments teach48:00 – AI upends moats; community as the moat49:39 – One-to-one media future; end of “one-to-many”51:00 – Human connection, shared experiences become scarce51:40 – Art as cultural capsule in an AI world53:06 – Marfa event as a “marker stone”54:13 – Small world energy; one degree of separation55:18 – Thanks + closing…55:37 – One last Q: why Raoul goes against the grain56:05 – Rebellion roots; living in the future57:38 – Do it differently; travel > prestige paths59:50 – Be yourself in the age of AI; find your voice01:00:26 – Comfort zone ≠ where the magic happenshttps://x.com/RaoulGMIhttps://x.com/XCOPYARThttps://x.com/kimasendorfhttps://x.com/toadswiback

00:33 - Welcome Adrian Pocobelli 01:39 - Discovering the counterculture 07:10 - The desire to collect 13:05 - The Stone Roses, The Smiths, and J. G. Ballard 19:00 - Neoplatonism and psychedelics 24:30 - Learning the craft of graphic design 26:50 - Becoming a broadcaster 29:05 - Finding crypto, Objkt and Tezos 31:35 - The difference between crypto art and art on the blockchain 34:52 - The evolution of the NFT space 39:45 - The complexities of running a marketplace 44:05 - Chain-specific culture 45:51 - The Pocobelli Collection on Verse 46:45 - What does it mean to be a digital gallery 51:07 - The difference between a traditional and digital understanding 54:42 - The thinking behind Artist Journal 01:02:10 - Speaking on inspiration vs. plagiarism 01:08:50 - Derivative culture in the space 01:12:40 - Placing the focus on the art rather than the market 01:14:50 - The Kurt Hustle Collective and WeB'97 01:21:41 - An Italian sensibility and open-minded approach 01:26:20 - The future of digital art01:31:15 - Creating a welcoming environment for new collectors 01:35:30 - Educating new entrants to the space Adrian Pocobelli: https://x.com/pocobelli Kurt Hustle Collective: https://x.com/kurthustle97 Terry Visual: https://x.com/terryvisual JNK: https://x.com/jnk101 haydiroket: https://x.com/haydiroket 

00:45 - Welcome Sebastian Sanchez 08:55 - A journey into digital art 11:05 - Christie's 3.0 and joining the team 17:44 - Developing a commercial mindset 20:40 - Finding the right market fit 22:30 - Nurturing artist and collector relationships 25:05 - Highlights across the last three years 26:58 - Curatorial vs commercial perspectives 30:18 - The effect of an open market on institutional Web3 adoption 32:12 - The closure of Christie's digital art department 35:05 - The implications of digital work in the evening sale  38:42 - Winning collections and building the narrative 43:40 - Dynamics between primary and secondary markets 45:55 - Institutional vs. market credibility 48:00 - The reality of a nascent space 52:04 - A changing collector base 54:26 - A moment of future historical importance 56:19 - Sebastian's artist highlights 57:40 - The emergence of a merged market 01:00:28 - Verse roundtable 01:02:00 - V001: In Real Time recap 01:08:27 - The power of relational dynamics and mixed lots 01:14:26 - Marketing, strategies and themed lots 01:25:25 - Upcoming in-person events and gallery shows 01:27:45 - $PNKSTR 01:30:47 - Traditional art market decline 01:36:30 - Jack Butcher's Gas Wars 01:38:48 - Eric De Giuli and Zero (Broken Symmetry) 01:47:00 - Artist highlights Sebastian Sanchez: https://x.com/sebastianss527 Lowbie: https://x.com/archivepilled Thelonious Stokes: https://www.instagram.com/thelonious_art Sachcoo The Arty: https://x.com/sachcoo_thearty James Bloom: https://x.com/crashblossom1 Maya Man: https://x.com/mayaonthenet Joe Pease: https://x.com/joepease William Mapan: https://x.com/williamapan

00:45 - Yeche Lange and Avant Gay recap 05:40 - Series size and collector focus 10:00 - Artist trajectories and release mechanics 13:10 - Art and the Diderot effect 20:10 - Collecting strategies and high-net-worth individuals 24:45 - What if every work was soulbound 28:30 - Cultural stickiness in the face of diluted attention 33:00 - Collecting as self narrative reinforcement 35:28 - Christie's digital art department closure 42:03 - V001: In Real Time 45:20 - Selecting lots and coordinating the auction 52:15 - The risk of exposing markets 56:30 - Rebalancing collections and investing in emerging artists 59:20 - Dream lots 01:02:15 - An art-forward approach 01:07:59 - ACK's piano at Carnegie Hall 01:11:35 -  Sasha Stiles at MoMa 01:12:53 - The emergence of different cultural spheres within the space 01:15:40 - An artist-based curatorial program 01:24:45 - Narrative, sales and market realities 01:28:40 - Parker Ito, Hyper-Gamble and community energy 01:30:29 - Artist highlights 01:36:06 - Verse rundown Elfilter: https://x.com/elfilter_a Mike Balzer: https://x.com/pxlshrd Alkan Avcioğlu: https://x.com/evergreendazed Edward Burtynsky: https://x.com/edwardburtynsky evil biscuit: https://x.com/bis__cut Pipilotti Rist: https://www.instagram.com/pipilotti_rist_studio V001: In Real Time: https://verse.works/exhibitions/v001-in-real-time                 

00:45 - Welcome Eric De Giuli 02:18 - Connecting art and theoretical physics 05:35 - Early explorations into generative art 08:29 - Balancing artistic and academic practices 10:35 - Discovering NFTs, 2021, and Art Blocks 13:05 - Navigating multiple audiences 16:25 - Creating order from nothing 18:55 - Avoiding noise as a structural element 23:50 - Amplifying and controlling unpredictability 26:56 - Emergent complexity from simple building blocks 33:00 - The work as an unfolding performance 34:57 - Floating-point errors as a source of structural randomness 37:56 - Colour as an aesthetic choice 41:15 - Finding room for creative expression in physics 44:07 - AI and exploring complex systems 48:05 - Simulation theory and the burden of proof 51:45 - Community and artistic connection  54:35 - Complementary careers and entwined practices 58:12 - Exploring Calian and Atlas 01:00:12 - Zero (Broken Symmetry) Eric De Giuli: https://x.com/eeedg__                    

00:35 - Welcome Rafaël Rozendaal 02:55 - The advantage of a conversational archive 06:21 - The influence of travel and cultural heritage 08:25 - Neen, LA and digital art in the late '90s 12:06 - Growing up in an artistic household 14:32 - Grants, funding and commercial pressure 16:35 - The potential of the early internet 21:00 - Art school and early connections 27:30 - Berlin and Post-Internet 31:30 - The impact of New York on a working practice 35:36 - A window to the creative process 38:15 - The importance of painting 40:21 - The power of a minimal approach 42:15 - Discovering blockchain and NFTs 45:01 - A new audience and a new perspective 49:55 - Papertoilet.com and unintended virality 56:40 - Quantifying effort, success and quality 59:50 - MoMa and allowing the space to curate the work 01:01:45 - Twist 01:03:20 - Thinking with your brush 01:05:15 - The origin of Rooms 01:07:40 - Colour, saturation, contrast and iteration 01:10:53 - The advantage of working with a gallery 01:16:26 - What's next Rafaël Rozendaal: https://x.com/newrafael Fellowship: https://x.com/fellowshiptrust https://fellowship.xyz/exhibition/rafael-rozendaal-rooms                  

00:46 - Welcome Jared Madere 03:19 - The genesis of Yeche Lange 09:20 - Market consolidation and post-2021 11:00 - Exploring the role of the gallery in the Web3 space 16:18 - What caused the scene to develop on Solana 18:03 - The growth of community 21:59 -  Earl16o1, trader fiction and chart paintings 25:35 - Compatibility with the traditional sphere 31:40 - A new mode of operating for a changing art world 40:20 - Market transparency vs. market opacity 46:33 - Embracing risk and volatility 50:35 - Looking to the future of Yeche and VVV 58:15 - The reuse of assets and creation of derivatives 01:03:55 - The development of art coins 01:06:30 - Series sizing and artistic output 01:09:40 - VAJ and Vajunnie 01:15:20 - The growth of the scene and new collectors 01:23:53 - The origin of the term Gay NFT 01:26:40 - How people outside the space can orientate themselves 01:31:45 - The importance of physicality and living with art  VVV: https://x.com/vvvdotsoGalerie Yeche Lange: https://x.com/yeche_lange wretched worm: https://x.com/wretched_wormspiky dj: https://x.com/spiky_dj_Bosh: https://x.com/supermetalx kid xanthrax: https://x.com/id_xanthraxParker Ito: https://x.com/creamydreamyearl16o1: https://x.com/earl16o1Tojiba Brand Manager: https://x.com/m_m_____m____mmmifella: https://x.com/mmifellaevil biscuit: https://x.com/bis__cutfairybaby420: https://x.com/fairybaby420lowbie: https://x.com/archivepilledGremlins: https://x.com/gremlins2movieAlex Mackin Dolan: https://www.alexmackindolan.comVajunnie: https://x.com/vaj_mindpalace      

00:47 - Welcome Paul Pfeiffer 03:07 - The spectacle of sport 07:06 - Exploring the implications of new technology 10:05 - Working with digital media in the early 1990s 14:50 - The blurring of the digital and the human 20:08 - How media consumption has shifted across the last thirty years 23:50 - The stadium as mediatised architecture 30:57 - New work and developing projects     Paul Pfeiffer: https://www.instagram.com/pmp2021  

00:48 - Diving into the Solana trenches 07:40 - PFP culture and Drilady 08:50 - Chain-specific culture and why Solana makes sense 14:26 - Parker Ito and the impact of Horses?2 17:00 - A different community of artists and collectors 19:00 - Jay's mid-curve meme 20:34 - Raoul Pal and consensus vs non-consensus 27:40 - Should we all be bullposting? 29:40 - AB[500] and does shuttering encourage long-term value accrual 32:55 - Verse rundown 35:08 - Debriefing on Quantizer 40:37 - Feral File and Net Evil 42:30 - Solo vs group shows 45:20 - Artist highlights MCHX: https://x.com/mchx17 supermetalx: https://x.com/supermetalx serezha galkin: https://x.com/graphicapng Terence Broad: https://x.com/terrybroad Mike Balzer: https://x.com/pxlshrd          

00:38 - Welcome Parker Ito 05:25 - Tumblr, Post-Internet scene and finding community 12:20 - The effect of early success 20:30 - Disillusionment with the art world 24:25 - What caused the market to boom 26:28 - Deep lore, Basel 2015 and Leonardo DiCaprio 30:01 - The compromises needed to work as an artist 33:03 - Through-lines and stylistic tropes 35:10 - A non-hierarchical approach 38:17 - Discovering NFTs 39:50 - Balancing the traditional art world and the NFT space  42:27 - Cultural friction and the benefit to the stigma around NFTs 46:00 - Finding the Solana scene 48:17 - Horses, Drifella 2, Drilady and Parkerito.net52:55 - The Pilgrim’s Living Room Crucifixion; Mona Lisa Hyper-Gamble 58:10 - Traitmaxxing, repetition and composition 01:01:55 - The working process of the Living Room Crucifixion 01:10:50 - Ambiguity within the art work 01:13:17 - The work as a metaphor for a psychological space 01:16:15 - Objects, layers and series traits 01:19:01 - Beyond Living Room Crucifixion 01:21:20 - The artist residency at the Bellagio Parker Ito: https://x.com/creamydreamy https://verse.works/series/the-pilgrims-living-room-crucifixion-mona-lisa-hyper-gamble-by-parker-ito