

Verse Talks
Verse
Discussing the latest news in digital art. With Leyla Fakhr, Artie Handz, Ivan Zhyzhkevych, and Jamie Gourlay.
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Sep 12, 2025 • 1h 41min
Verse round table: Verse secondary auctions, cultural stickiness and trusting the artist
00:45 - Yeche Lange and Avant Gay recap 05:40 - Series size and collector focus 10:00 - Artist trajectories and release mechanics 13:10 - Art and the Diderot effect 20:10 - Collecting strategies and high-net-worth individuals 24:45 - What if every work was soulbound 28:30 - Cultural stickiness in the face of diluted attention 33:00 - Collecting as self narrative reinforcement 35:28 - Christie's digital art department closure 42:03 - V001: In Real Time 45:20 - Selecting lots and coordinating the auction 52:15 - The risk of exposing markets 56:30 - Rebalancing collections and investing in emerging artists 59:20 - Dream lots 01:02:15 - An art-forward approach 01:07:59 - ACK's piano at Carnegie Hall 01:11:35 - Sasha Stiles at MoMa 01:12:53 - The emergence of different cultural spheres within the space 01:15:40 - An artist-based curatorial program 01:24:45 - Narrative, sales and market realities 01:28:40 - Parker Ito, Hyper-Gamble and community energy 01:30:29 - Artist highlights 01:36:06 - Verse rundown Elfilter: https://x.com/elfilter_a Mike Balzer: https://x.com/pxlshrd Alkan Avcioğlu: https://x.com/evergreendazed Edward Burtynsky: https://x.com/edwardburtynsky evil biscuit: https://x.com/bis__cut Pipilotti Rist: https://www.instagram.com/pipilotti_rist_studio V001: In Real Time: https://verse.works/exhibitions/v001-in-real-time

Sep 10, 2025 • 1h 2min
Eric De Giuli: breaking symmetry
00:45 - Welcome Eric De Giuli 02:18 - Connecting art and theoretical physics 05:35 - Early explorations into generative art 08:29 - Balancing artistic and academic practices 10:35 - Discovering NFTs, 2021, and Art Blocks 13:05 - Navigating multiple audiences 16:25 - Creating order from nothing 18:55 - Avoiding noise as a structural element 23:50 - Amplifying and controlling unpredictability 26:56 - Emergent complexity from simple building blocks 33:00 - The work as an unfolding performance 34:57 - Floating-point errors as a source of structural randomness 37:56 - Colour as an aesthetic choice 41:15 - Finding room for creative expression in physics 44:07 - AI and exploring complex systems 48:05 - Simulation theory and the burden of proof 51:45 - Community and artistic connection 54:35 - Complementary careers and entwined practices 58:12 - Exploring Calian and Atlas 01:00:12 - Zero (Broken Symmetry) Eric De Giuli: https://x.com/eeedg__

Sep 9, 2025 • 1h 18min
Rafaël Rozendaal: opening the door to Rooms
00:35 - Welcome Rafaël Rozendaal 02:55 - The advantage of a conversational archive 06:21 - The influence of travel and cultural heritage 08:25 - Neen, LA and digital art in the late '90s 12:06 - Growing up in an artistic household 14:32 - Grants, funding and commercial pressure 16:35 - The potential of the early internet 21:00 - Art school and early connections 27:30 - Berlin and Post-Internet 31:30 - The impact of New York on a working practice 35:36 - A window to the creative process 38:15 - The importance of painting 40:21 - The power of a minimal approach 42:15 - Discovering blockchain and NFTs 45:01 - A new audience and a new perspective 49:55 - Papertoilet.com and unintended virality 56:40 - Quantifying effort, success and quality 59:50 - MoMa and allowing the space to curate the work 01:01:45 - Twist 01:03:20 - Thinking with your brush 01:05:15 - The origin of Rooms 01:07:40 - Colour, saturation, contrast and iteration 01:10:53 - The advantage of working with a gallery 01:16:26 - What's next Rafaël Rozendaal: https://x.com/newrafael Fellowship: https://x.com/fellowshiptrust https://fellowship.xyz/exhibition/rafael-rozendaal-rooms

Sep 5, 2025 • 1h 36min
Jared Madere: Galerie Yeche Lange, VVV and the Avant Gay scene
00:46 - Welcome Jared Madere 03:19 - The genesis of Yeche Lange 09:20 - Market consolidation and post-2021 11:00 - Exploring the role of the gallery in the Web3 space 16:18 - What caused the scene to develop on Solana 18:03 - The growth of community 21:59 - Earl16o1, trader fiction and chart paintings 25:35 - Compatibility with the traditional sphere 31:40 - A new mode of operating for a changing art world 40:20 - Market transparency vs. market opacity 46:33 - Embracing risk and volatility 50:35 - Looking to the future of Yeche and VVV 58:15 - The reuse of assets and creation of derivatives 01:03:55 - The development of art coins 01:06:30 - Series sizing and artistic output 01:09:40 - VAJ and Vajunnie 01:15:20 - The growth of the scene and new collectors 01:23:53 - The origin of the term Gay NFT 01:26:40 - How people outside the space can orientate themselves 01:31:45 - The importance of physicality and living with art VVV: https://x.com/vvvdotsoGalerie Yeche Lange: https://x.com/yeche_lange wretched worm: https://x.com/wretched_wormspiky dj: https://x.com/spiky_dj_Bosh: https://x.com/supermetalx kid xanthrax: https://x.com/id_xanthraxParker Ito: https://x.com/creamydreamyearl16o1: https://x.com/earl16o1Tojiba Brand Manager: https://x.com/m_m_____m____mmmifella: https://x.com/mmifellaevil biscuit: https://x.com/bis__cutfairybaby420: https://x.com/fairybaby420lowbie: https://x.com/archivepilledGremlins: https://x.com/gremlins2movieAlex Mackin Dolan: https://www.alexmackindolan.comVajunnie: https://x.com/vaj_mindpalace

Sep 4, 2025 • 43min
Paul Pfeiffer: the art of the spectacle
00:47 - Welcome Paul Pfeiffer 03:07 - The spectacle of sport 07:06 - Exploring the implications of new technology 10:05 - Working with digital media in the early 1990s 14:50 - The blurring of the digital and the human 20:08 - How media consumption has shifted across the last thirty years 23:50 - The stadium as mediatised architecture 30:57 - New work and developing projects Paul Pfeiffer: https://www.instagram.com/pmp2021

Aug 29, 2025 • 51min
Verse roundtable: diving into the Solana art trenches, consensus vs. non-consensus, bullposting and long-term value accrual
00:48 - Diving into the Solana trenches 07:40 - PFP culture and Drilady 08:50 - Chain-specific culture and why Solana makes sense 14:26 - Parker Ito and the impact of Horses?2 17:00 - A different community of artists and collectors 19:00 - Jay's mid-curve meme 20:34 - Raoul Pal and consensus vs non-consensus 27:40 - Should we all be bullposting? 29:40 - AB[500] and does shuttering encourage long-term value accrual 32:55 - Verse rundown 35:08 - Debriefing on Quantizer 40:37 - Feral File and Net Evil 42:30 - Solo vs group shows 45:20 - Artist highlights MCHX: https://x.com/mchx17 supermetalx: https://x.com/supermetalx serezha galkin: https://x.com/graphicapng Terence Broad: https://x.com/terrybroad Mike Balzer: https://x.com/pxlshrd

Aug 28, 2025 • 1h 25min
Parker Ito: exploring The Pilgrim’s Living Room Crucifixion; Mona Lisa Hyper-Gamble
00:38 - Welcome Parker Ito 05:25 - Tumblr, Post-Internet scene and finding community 12:20 - The effect of early success 20:30 - Disillusionment with the art world 24:25 - What caused the market to boom 26:28 - Deep lore, Basel 2015 and Leonardo DiCaprio 30:01 - The compromises needed to work as an artist 33:03 - Through-lines and stylistic tropes 35:10 - A non-hierarchical approach 38:17 - Discovering NFTs 39:50 - Balancing the traditional art world and the NFT space 42:27 - Cultural friction and the benefit to the stigma around NFTs 46:00 - Finding the Solana scene 48:17 - Horses, Drifella 2, Drilady and Parkerito.net52:55 - The Pilgrim’s Living Room Crucifixion; Mona Lisa Hyper-Gamble 58:10 - Traitmaxxing, repetition and composition 01:01:55 - The working process of the Living Room Crucifixion 01:10:50 - Ambiguity within the art work 01:13:17 - The work as a metaphor for a psychological space 01:16:15 - Objects, layers and series traits 01:19:01 - Beyond Living Room Crucifixion 01:21:20 - The artist residency at the Bellagio Parker Ito: https://x.com/creamydreamy https://verse.works/series/the-pilgrims-living-room-crucifixion-mona-lisa-hyper-gamble-by-parker-ito

Aug 23, 2025 • 1h 55min
Adam Levine: exploring the Toledo Museum of Art, cultural accessibility, platform sustainability, and why Artie is leaving the space
00:48 - Welcome Adam Levine 01:15 - What sets the Toledo Museum of Art apart 05:22 - Ensuring the community has access to culture 07:20 - The benefit of private funding 10:10 - TMA's digital program 13:25 - The history and founding principles of the museum 21:20 - An emphasis on craft, skill and aesthetic quality 27:10 - Artist studios, manufacturing and industrial process 31:20 - Infinite Images: The Art of Algorithms 33:40 - The Digital Artist-in-Residence Program and community onboarding 43:23 - A focus on innovation and strategy 46:10 - Adam's path to NFTs 49:45 - Repeat visitation as a key performance metric 54:40 - "Integrating art into people's lives" 56:25 - Expanding the audience for digital art 01:03:16 - Verse roundtable 01:07:10 - Cultural accessibility, funding and profitability 01:16:55 - Why Artie is exiting the space 01:24:25 - Release cadence 01:30:57 - The difficulty of finding sustainability as a platform 01:37:20 - A maturation of the space 01:41:30 - The potential for a reshaping of consensus around the blue chips 01:44:55 - Harm van den Dorpel 01:49:23 - Verse rundown 01:50:25 - Artist highlights 01:51:50 - Debriefing on Terence Broad Toledo Museum of Art: https://x.com/toledomuseumnoper: https://x.com/bagdelete Kevin McCoy: https://x.com/mccoyspace Jennifer McCoy: https://x.com/jennmccoyspace

Aug 20, 2025 • 1h 22min
Harm van den Dorpel: Quantizer, algorithmic archeology, and digital preservation
00:40 - Welcome Harm van den Dorpel 01:35 - Working with plotters 05:06 - Creative beginnings 08:45 - A grounding in early AI 11:20 - From tech to art school 13:50 - The shifting context around digital presentation16:10 - The development of post-internet art 18:00 - Separating sales and practice 22:40 - Markov's Window 25:00 - Establishing Left gallery and discovering blockchain 30:33 - The stress of managing a gallery 32:01 - The importance of true digital ownership 35:29 - Mutant Garden Seeder 38:15 - Exploring Quantizer 40:40 - Algorithmic archeology 42:45 - Dithering and Quantizer's traits 46:42 - Two seeds and a double system 50:20 - The reason for artist curation 52:02 - Mandalas, Buddhism and the influence on Quantizer 56:00 - Transience and permanence 58:20 - Surprise born from a system 01:04:10 - Meditation machines 01:08:12 - The relationship between an artists practice and the market 01:09:55 - Defining the digital and physical worlds 01:12:40 - Preserving a digital work 01:15:43 - The thinking behind the series size 01:19:45 - What's next? Harm van den Dorpel: https://x.com/harmvddorpel Quantizer: https://verse.works/series/quantizer-by-harm-van-den-dorpel?itemId=2f5761c0-0e42-4457-a844-6bd9f854adf5

Aug 18, 2025 • 46min
Harm van den Dorpel and Regina Harsanyi (Twitter Spaces): the early days of Club Internet, the ephemerality of time based media and the birth of Quantizer
00:44 - Welcome Harm van den Dorpel and Regina Harsanyi 03:05 - Nasty Nets, Club Internet and the early surf clubs 09:05 - Creating context and community through curation 12:40 - Ongoing scepticism around blockchain and NFTs 18:00 - Left Gallery, early blockchain based ownership and speculation 20:10 - The speed of secondary in the digital world 22:00 - On creating Quantizer 27:10 - A true reflection of the blockchain and networked broadcast 33:40 - The ideal way to display and experience the work 41:30 - The expressive power of the blockchain Harm van den Dorpel: https://x.com/harmvddorpelRegina Harsanyi: https://x.com/reginaharsanyi