More Than A Lawyer with Holly Cope

For a long time, success in law has been narrowly defined, making partner, climbing the corporate ladder, and sacrificing personal life for billable hours.But what happens when women in law decide to rewrite that definition for themselves?In this episode, I am spotlighting the stories of women who walked away from the traditional legal path, not because they couldn’t hack it, but because they chose something different.Something bigger. Something that aligned with their version of success.Helen PamelyLet me introduce you to Helen Pamely, she walked away from prestige, a safe salary, and a partner title at a London firm to one day decide this wasn’t the version of success she wanted anymore, so she quit.Listen to the full story here:https://open.spotify.com/episode/3uere1F95HoxOIYTWTNhZ2?si=8b8954a520724000Natalie ThomasNext we have Natalie Thomas, she went from studying at Oxford University to working in Tesco in South-West Wales to then being part of the founding team, helping launch the London office of top US law firm Perkins Coie.Listen to the full story here:https://open.spotify.com/episode/0jMn0EHD9fZFHZIpvPou8Z Dana ShakerNext, I want to introduce you to Dana Shaker. She went from being a traditional lawyer to a remote digital nomad lawyer working on the road.Listen to the full story here:https://open.spotify.com/episode/6T861HNH9oS4pU6hgUY7rm?si=6a457f0e11204f1aRenee PardoRenee Pardo is a former trial lawyer. She changed her career path after 30 years in law and years before qualifying for her pension. She is now a certified executive life coach who primarily coaches women lawyers.Listen to the full story here:https://open.spotify.com/episode/5iatTpq4ugGkcQkQBjhbpi?si=3ab947230c054379Tara SeosankarTara Seosankar shares her journey of becoming a freelance employment lawyer in Canada and the reasons behind her decision to leave a traditional law firm.Listen to the full story here:https://open.spotify.com/episode/6sv3OQ57H1TiUGYbEaQ6vY?si=c5bf76f5c831482e Hannah StrawbridgeHannah Strawbridge, founder of Han Law started out as a lawyer at a top UK firm and then became a freelancer before building a successful employment law business. After becoming disillusioned by the traditional law firm mentality, and witnessing too many colleagues either leave the profession or ‘burn out’, Hannah decided to start her own firm. Listen to the full story here:https://open.spotify.com/episode/5BezlMkOmt2xinNudymyTr  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

How do you balance culture with profitability without losing both?Younger lawyers aren’t following the same career paths as before. They want flexibility, purpose, and a future that isn’t just about billable hours. some are more entrepreneurial, others are more willing to walk away, and many are less tied to the outdated idea that partnership is the ultimate goal.And yet, law firms are still clinging to the same structures.In this conversation, we sit down with Jonathan Watmough award-winning former city law firm managing partner and author of 'How To Thrive In A Commercial Law Firm' he now helps law firm partners and partnerships improve performance.We talk about how the legal industry isn’t just changing, it’s being rewritten.  The shift from natural to strategic competition and what it means for the industry. How law firms can adapt to retain talent in a competitive market. The legal industry is experiencing a generational shift.Find Jonathan here:https://www.helpinglawyersthrive.com/ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Gen Z could transform the future of law.Yet, many law firms struggle to attract and retain this generation of lawyers.The reason? Rigid hierarchies, endless hours, toxicity and outdated processes can push them away. But when motivated the right way, they can bring innovation, efficiency, and fresh perspectives that law firms need.the next generation isn’t the problem. They’re the solution.In this conversation, we're sitting down with Natalie Thomas legal business analyst at Perkins Coie. She went from studying at Oxford University to working in Tesco in South-West Wales to then being part of the founding team, helping launch the London office of US law firm Perkins Coie.We talk about how GenZ can help drive law firm growth, challenge traditions and question inefficiency to shape a smarter, more sustainable legal industry.Find Natalie here: https://www.linkedin.com/in/natalie-thomas-045656153/ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

The secret weapon most lawyers overlook?It’s not just technical skills. Not just experience.It’s cultural intelligence.The ability to navigate different perspectives, understand global nuances, and adapt to unfamiliar environments. And in an industry that’s becoming more international by the day, it’s the difference between stagnation and opportunity.Think about it: The best lawyers aren’t just great at the law.They’re great at people.They build relationships across borders, decode unspoken cultural expectations, and know how to turn differences into strengths.In this conversation, we sit down with Gary Miller, partner at Mishcon de Reya, Head of China Desk & Chair of International Fraud Group. Gary is a global asset recovery expert with 47 years of experience in uncovering and securing assets, leading cross-border teams, and driving high-stakes settlements. We talk about the power of cultural intelligence, the value of trusting your instincts, the lessons that come from embracing change, building the right networks, and seeing failure as part of growth.  Find Gary here:https://www.linkedin.com/in/gary-miller-ba456a82/-------We're Helen & Holly.We do expert marketing for lawyers and law firms. Helen Pamely, a former Magic Circle lawyer and law firm partner, and Holly Cope, the world’s #1 legal tech and innovation influencer and creator of the More Than a Lawyer podcast.We have grown a combined following of over 50,000. We are experts in building an influence and strong brands on LinkedIn.Here’s what we offer:Legal Company Page Management & Ghostwriting: Crafting compelling content to elevate your firm’s presence.Personal Brand Ghostwriting for Lawyers: Helping individual lawyers stand out and build authority.LinkedIn Academy for Lawyers: A tailored training program to master LinkedIn and grow your influence.Corporate LinkedIn Training: Empowering teams with the skills to maximise LinkedIn’s potential.Podcasting services: Build authority, connection, community through the power of influence Contact us here:https://www.linkedin.com/in/holly-cope-digitalnomad/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/helenpamely/ Introducing: The LinkedIn Starter Pack for LawyersThe ULTIMATE starter pack for LinkedIn for lawyers: 11 interactive tools designed to elevate your personal brand and turn connections into clients.From optimising your profile, to mastering content creation, with 30 scroll-stopping frameworks and magnetic hook formulas. Learn how to network like a pro, position yourself as the go-to expert in your niche, and never run out of content ideas with our ideation guide and strategy worksheet.https://helenpamely.com/the-linkedin-starter-pack-for-lawyers/ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

We're running a 𝗟𝗶𝗻𝗸𝗲𝗱𝗜𝗻 𝗔𝗰𝗮𝗱𝗲𝗺𝘆 𝗳𝗼𝗿 𝗟𝗮𝘄𝘆𝗲𝗿𝘀. Doors CLOSE 31st JANUARY 2025⭐ 𝟯 𝘁𝗿𝗮𝗶𝗻𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝘀𝗲𝘀𝘀𝗶𝗼𝗻𝘀: 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗳𝘂𝗻𝗱𝗮𝗺𝗲𝗻𝘁𝗮𝗹𝘀 𝘁𝗼 𝗟𝗶𝗻𝗸𝗲𝗱𝗜𝗻 𝘀𝘂𝗰𝗰𝗲𝘀𝘀(profile optimisation, writing killer posts, and landing your ideal clients)⭐ 𝗟𝗶𝘃𝗲 𝗤&𝗔 𝗰𝗮𝗹𝗹𝘀 𝗼𝘃𝗲𝗿 𝟯 𝘄𝗲𝗲𝗸𝘀⭐𝗜𝗻𝘀𝗶𝗱𝗲𝗿 𝗿𝗲𝘀𝗼𝘂𝗿𝗰𝗲𝘀 𝘁𝗼 𝗵𝗲𝗹𝗽 𝗴𝗿𝗼𝘄 𝗼𝗻 𝗟𝗶𝗻𝗸𝗲𝗱𝗜𝗻Join here: https://vist.ly/3mt5vifLawyers: Stop chasing clients – start attracting themHere’s the truth: convincing a company to drop their long-standing lawyer and switch to you?It’s an uphill battle.Lawyers often sit in a place of trust built over years, and getting clients to jump ship is no small feat.But here’s the good news:You don’t need to “poach” clients.Instead, focus on making yourself impossible to ignore.You don’t need to compete with other lawyers for clients, you just need to out-position them.Focus on building trust, authority, and relationships. When clients decide to make a change, they’ll already know who they’re calling: you.Join us in our LinkedIn Live with special guest law firm partner at Waterstone Legal, Jasmine Chaudry. She's built a brand and influence and attracts clients on LinkedIn.Learn how you can do it too.Find Jasmine here:https://www.linkedin.com/in/jasmine-chaudry-88857267/ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

The only skill that matters now is marketing. But you need to prioritise becoming a good lawyer before you become a good marketer.Success as a lawyer isn't about being the smartest person in the room. You need to think like an entrepreneur and act like a marketer, being great a law is now just a baseline requirement.Most lawyers get years into the profession and realise they have to be a great sales person as well as a great lawyer.In this episode, Brandon Renken, trial partner at Mayer Brown covers why it's so important to be a great marketer in law and HOW you can do it.Find out about Brandon Renken here:https://www.linkedin.com/in/brandon-renken-91b7937a/-------We're Helen & Holly.We do expert marketing for lawyers and law firms. Helen Pamely, a former Magic Circle lawyer and law firm partner, and Holly Cope, the world’s #1 legal tech and innovation influencer and creator of the More Than a Lawyer podcast.We have grown a combined following of over 50,000. We are experts in building an influence and strong brands on LinkedIn.Here’s what we offer:Legal Company Page Management & Ghostwriting: Crafting compelling content to elevate your firm’s presence.Personal Brand Ghostwriting for Lawyers: Helping individual lawyers stand out and build authority.LinkedIn Academy for Lawyers: A tailored training program to master LinkedIn and grow your influence.Corporate LinkedIn Training: Empowering teams with the skills to maximise LinkedIn’s potential.Podcasting services: Build authority, connection, community through the power of influence Contact us here:https://www.linkedin.com/in/holly-cope-digitalnomad/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/helenpamely/ Introducing: The LinkedIn Starter Pack for LawyersThe ULTIMATE starter pack for LinkedIn for lawyers: 11 interactive tools designed to elevate your personal brand and turn connections into clients.From optimising your profile, to mastering content creation, with 30 scroll-stopping frameworks and magnetic hook formulas. Learn how to network like a pro, position yourself as the go-to expert in your niche, and never run out of content ideas with our ideation guide and strategy worksheet.https://helenpamely.com/the-linkedin-starter-pack-for-lawyers/ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

We're running a 𝗟𝗶𝗻𝗸𝗲𝗱𝗜𝗻 𝗔𝗰𝗮𝗱𝗲𝗺𝘆 𝗳𝗼𝗿 𝗟𝗮𝘄𝘆𝗲𝗿𝘀. Doors CLOSE 31st JANUARY 2025⭐ 𝟯 𝘁𝗿𝗮𝗶𝗻𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝘀𝗲𝘀𝘀𝗶𝗼𝗻𝘀: 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗳𝘂𝗻𝗱𝗮𝗺𝗲𝗻𝘁𝗮𝗹𝘀 𝘁𝗼 𝗟𝗶𝗻𝗸𝗲𝗱𝗜𝗻 𝘀𝘂𝗰𝗰𝗲𝘀𝘀 (profile optimisation, writing killer posts, and landing your ideal clients)⭐ 𝗟𝗶𝘃𝗲 𝗤&𝗔 𝗰𝗮𝗹𝗹𝘀 𝗼𝘃𝗲𝗿 𝟯 𝘄𝗲𝗲𝗸𝘀⭐𝗜𝗻𝘀𝗶𝗱𝗲𝗿 𝗿𝗲𝘀𝗼𝘂𝗿𝗰𝗲𝘀 𝘁𝗼 𝗵𝗲𝗹𝗽 𝗴𝗿𝗼𝘄 𝗼𝗻 𝗟𝗶𝗻𝗸𝗲𝗱𝗜𝗻Join here: https://vist.ly/3mt5vifLinkedIn is the most underrated tool for lawyers.You’re not taking full advantage.Think about it, in law, we need to:-Build trust among clients & other professionals-Position ourselves as the experts-NetworkIt’s much easier when you have a platform that can do this AT SCALE for you.As lawyers, we often hear the same advice: network, build your reputation, and let your expertise speak for itself.But let’s be honest, traditional networking has its limits.And relying solely on word-of-mouth feels outdated in 2025.Enter LinkedIn: the ultimate game-changer.This platform isn’t just about having a professional profile.It’s a space where you can position yourself as a thought leader,build relationships,and attract opportunities...without leaving your desk.When we started showing up on LinkedIn consistently, everything changed.We stopped chasing clients, they started finding us.We stopped cold-pitching ideas, opportunities began landing in our inbox.Here’s what makes LinkedIn so powerful:👉 Visibility: Posting insightful content positions you as the go-to lawyer in your niche.👉 Authenticity: Sharing your story builds trust and reliability, key for attracting clients.👉 Engagement: Every comment, message, and connection is a chance to deepen relationships.The best part?You don’t need to be “viral.”You need to be valuable.In a profession built on trust and relationships.LinkedIn is where you can grow both, at scale.Join The LikedIn Academy for Lawyers: The Starter Serieshere: https://vist.ly/3mt5vif Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

William Peake, global managing partner of Harneys and LinkedIn influencer, shares actionable insights on building a personal brand on LinkedIn as a lawyer. He discusses the importance of authenticity and meaningful engagement to foster professional connections. Peake dives into innovative leadership strategies to combat toxicity in law firms and emphasizes the need for cultural change. He also reflects on the dynamics of self-deprecation in professional settings, highlighting the impact of genuine storytelling over superficial metrics.

Lawyers are notoriously risk averse. We're trained to avoid risk, but it can hold us back in our career and personal life. Sticking to safe roles, or staying in roles that don't serve us. sometimes avoiding risk can be the riskiest move of all.Today Holly Cope and Helen Pamely are chatting with Kristian Bradshaw. Kristian is a Partner at Hunton Andrews Kurth LLP, specialising in project development, project finance and M&A transactions in the energy and infrastructure space. Find out more about Kristian here: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kristianbradshaw/ We discuss why lawyers are so risk-averse and why this mindset can hold them back. -------We're Helen & Holly.We do expert marketing for lawyers and law firms. Helen Pamely, a former Magic Circle lawyer and law firm partner, and Holly Cope, the world’s #1 legal tech and innovation influencer and creator of the More Than a Lawyer podcast.We have grown a combined following of over 50,000. We are experts in building an influence and strong brands on LinkedIn.Here’s what we offer:Legal Company Page Management & Ghostwriting: Crafting compelling content to elevate your firm’s presence.Personal Brand Ghostwriting for Lawyers: Helping individual lawyers stand out and build authority.LinkedIn Academy for Lawyers: A tailored training program to master LinkedIn and grow your influence.Corporate LinkedIn Training: Empowering teams with the skills to maximise LinkedIn’s potential.Podcasting services: Build authority, connection, community through the power of influence Contact us here:https://www.linkedin.com/in/holly-cope-digitalnomad/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/helenpamely/ Introducing: The LinkedIn Starter Pack for LawyersThe ULTIMATE starter pack for LinkedIn for lawyers: 11 interactive tools designed to elevate your personal brand and turn connections into clients.From optimising your profile, to mastering content creation, with 30 scroll-stopping frameworks and magnetic hook formulas. Learn how to network like a pro, position yourself as the go-to expert in your niche, and never run out of content ideas with our ideation guide and strategy worksheet.https://helenpamely.com/the-linkedin-starter-pack-for-lawyers/ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Negotiation is a critical skill for every lawyer. It’s about more than deals, it’s about building trust, listening deeply, and creating win-win outcomes. Effective negotiation shapes results, strengthens relationships, and drives success. Master it, and you’ll lead the conversation.With over 25 years of experience in IT and telecommunications, John is a seasoned leader and expert negotiator, having successfully led multi-million-dollar contracts and complex projects. He’s built high-performing teams, driven organisational transformation, and facilitated process redesigns. A skilled entrepreneur and international speaker, John brings a wealth of expertise in negotiation and leadership across global markets.  Do you need some wisdom or strategic input from someone with decades of real-world experience? Someone to develop or negotiate your next services contract? You’ve found the right person. John Matthews is a proven leader in rapid growth, restructuring and mature business environments with experience in developing and maintaining relationships at all executive levels. Contact John here: https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-matthews-7051a869/ -------We're Helen & Holly.We do expert marketing for lawyers and law firms. Helen Pamely, a former Magic Circle lawyer and law firm partner, and Holly Cope, the world’s #1 legal tech and innovation influencer and creator of the More Than a Lawyer podcast.We have grown a combined following of over 50,000. We are experts in building an influence and strong brands on LinkedIn.Here’s what we offer:Legal Company Page Management & Ghostwriting: Crafting compelling content to elevate your firm’s presence.Personal Brand Ghostwriting for Lawyers: Helping individual lawyers stand out and build authority.LinkedIn Academy for Lawyers: A tailored training program to master LinkedIn and grow your influence.Corporate LinkedIn Training: Empowering teams with the skills to maximise LinkedIn’s potential.Podcasting services: Build authority, connection, community through the power of influence Contact us here:https://www.linkedin.com/in/holly-cope-digitalnomad/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/helenpamely/ Introducing: The LinkedIn Starter Pack for LawyersThe ULTIMATE starter pack for LinkedIn for lawyers: 11 interactive tools designed to elevate your personal brand and turn connections into clients.From optimising your profile, to mastering content creation, with 30 scroll-stopping frameworks and magnetic hook formulas. Learn how to network like a pro, position yourself as the go-to expert in your niche, and never run out of content ideas with our ideation guide and strategy worksheet.https://helenpamely.com/the-linkedin-starter-pack-for-lawyers/ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.