

Design Details
Brian Lovin, Marshall Bock
A weekly conversation about design process and culture. Hosted by Marshall Bock and Brian Lovin.
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Sep 12, 2018 • 43min
264: Oven Mittens
This week, we answer two listener questions about designing for the tech-unsavvy and providing value as an inexperienced designer. In news, we discuss the latest anniversary set from Ugmonk and a new audio-only feature from Periscope. Lastly, we wrap up with cool things, including a ridiculously thorough typeface and a utility that remembers your window layouts.
Follow-up:
Michael Knepprath’s last name is pronounced kuh-NEPP’-rath with a non-silent “K”
The same is true of Morgan Knutson
News:
Jeff Sheldon of Ugmonk just released the 10th Anniversary Set (but it sold out in less than 24 hours)
He also made a Kickstarter for Gather, which is a minimal, modular organizer that cuts clutter
He tweeted his design process for the 10th Anniversary Set
If you live in SF, the Mountains shirt is ubiquitous
@Jack tweeted about a new audio-only broadcasting feature for Periscope
Listener Questions:
Robert Spivack asks: “Why are products like Dropbox, YouTube, and Facebook with millions of users (and tons of on-staff designers) such a piece of crap to use from the point of view of real-world, non-Silicon Valley, Kool-aid-drinking, average users?”
The NES controller is simple
The PS4 controller is complicated
A redesign of the Save icon used to live here, but it seems to be gone now
Sam Chang asks: “What are your thoughts on how to provide value early on as an inexperienced designer?”
Bob Baxley spoke about providing value in Design Details 158: D.R.E.A.M. (feat. Bob Baxley)
One Cool Thing:
Brian shared InterUI by Rasmus Andersson
Just a reminder: he failed to best Marshall at the Helvarial Quiz last episode in Design Details 263: News, News, and More News
Marshall shared Stay, which is a great companion to Moom
Golden Krishna talks about how No Interface Is the Best Interface
Siri Shortcuts are coming in iOS 12
Design Details on the Web:
We are @designdetailsfm
Brian is @brian_lovin
Marshall is @marshallbock
Sarah is @sarahberus
Drew is @luperdev
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This week's episode was brought to you in part by Asana:
Asana is growing, and they’re looking to hire 6 new product designers and design managers via a few days of interviews in Chicago and Austin. Find out more by clicking on the links at the top of https://asana.design.
This week's episode was also brought to you in part by InVision Studio:
InVision Studio is the world’s most powerful screen design tool that brings together design, prototyping, animation, and collaboration all in one place. Check it out and get started for free at https://www.invisionapp.com/studio.

Sep 5, 2018 • 40min
263: News, News, and More News
This week, we discuss a bunch of news, including a Twitter reply threading concept, a new Apple Watch face, Principle 4.0, and Chrome with a Material Design 2 overhaul. Then we share a couple cool things: Marshall is hype on an upcoming game, and Brian invites you to test your typography chops.
Follow-up:
Iheanyi Ekechukwu was our guest last week
Thanks to friend-of-the-pod Michael for leaving us a review on iTunes
News:
Twitter shared a new threaded reply concept
A new Apple Watch face
Daniel Hooper announces Principle 4.0
Chrome 69 rolling out a Material Design refresh
One Cool Thing:
Marshall shared Cyberpunk 2077 Gameplay Reveal — 48-minute walkthrough
Brian shared Arial vs. Helvetica
Design Details on the Web:
We are @designdetailsfm
Brian is @brian_lovin
Marshall is @marshallbock
Sara is @sarahberus
Drew is @luperdev
Join the conversation on Spectrum
Leave us a review on iTunes
This week's episode was brought to you in part by InVision Studio:
InVision Studio is the world’s most powerful screen design tool that brings together design, prototyping, animation, and collaboration all in one place. Check it out and get started for free at https://www.invisionapp.com/studio

Aug 29, 2018 • 42min
262: Taste Acquisition (feat. Iheanyi Ekechukwu)
This week, we talk with Iheanyi Ekechukwu about his side project Seeker, starting from scratch at a new gig, and the best advice he's ever gotten. Then we share a few cool things, including a tracing library, a decentralized phone, and a Mac utility.
Follow-up:
The results of our Twitter poll were... unsurprising.
Interview:
Iheanyi is @kwuchu
Digital Ocean is an infrastructure experience
Github is a development platform
Go is an open-source programming language
React is a Javascript library for building user interfaces
Brian explains React in "260: Mutual Admiration Society"
Seeker is the easiest way to host your own job board
Steve Schoger made Heroicons and Refactoring UI
The Reilly Program (AL/ENG Dual-Degree) at Notre Dame
IBM Watson is a deep learning AI
"A Career Cold Start Algorithm" explains how to start strong at a new job
Two Black Nerds with I. Romeo Kwihangana
One Cool Thing:
Iheanyi shared Lightstep: A distributed tracing library
Brian shared Clarity: A decentralized communication device
Marshall shared Moom: Move and zoom windows
Design Details on the Web:
We are @designdetailsfm
Brian is @brian_lovin
Marshall is @marshallbock
Sara is @sarahberus
Drew is @luperdev
Join the conversation on Spectrum
Leave us a review on iTunes
This week's episode was brought to you in part by InVision Studio:
InVision Studio is the world’s most powerful screen design tool that brings together design, prototyping, animation, and collaboration all in one place. Check it out and get started for free at https://www.invisionapp.com/studio

Aug 22, 2018 • 40min
261: Reverse Midas
This week, Brian and Marshall debate the length of time between whiteboard sketches and high-fidelity mocks. In news, Discord announces a store, Breaker announces a podcast marketplace, and Refactoring UI is going to be a book. Finally, a couple cool things like a wall-mounted home gym and a book about capturing attention.
Follow-up:
King Midas
The Rules of Jinxing
Nathan Gathright updated Podlink
News:
"The Discord Store Beta"
Breaker Upstream
Steve Schoger and Adam Wathan recently tweeted about their new book Refactoring UI
Point/Counterpoint:
Slow Iteration vs Fast HiFi: How should we start new projects? Should we slowly build to high-fidelity, or is it okay to jump quickly into pixel-perfect mocks?
One Cool Thing:
Marshall shared Tonal (hat tip to Michael Boswell)
Brian shared The Attention Merchants: The Epic Scramble to Get Inside Our Heads
Design Details on the Web:
We are @designdetailsfm
Brian is @brian_lovin
Marshall is @marshallbock
Join the conversation on Spectrum
Leave us a review on iTunes
This week's episode was brought to you in part by InVision Studio
InVision Studio is the world’s most powerful screen design tool that brings together design, prototyping, animation, and collaboration all in one place. Check it out and get started for free at https://www.invisionapp.com/studio

Aug 15, 2018 • 39min
260: Mutual Admiration Society
This week, Brian explains React to Marshall like he's five, we recap some highlights from the Zeit React meetup, and then discuss the eternal quandary that is password management.
Note: Unfortunately, Brian had to record remotely in suboptimal conditions this week, so the quality of his audio ain't great. Our apologies. We'll do better. Probably.
Recap:
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News:
Zeit hosted a React meetup and posted the video
Next.js
Diana Mounter was kind enough to tweet a link to her slides, built with MDX Deck
Explain Like I'm Five
r/explainlikeimfive
React
5 Levels video playlist by WIRED (not Vox)
Jason Fried of Basecamp shares "The Writing Class I'd Like to Teach"
Expanding Brain aka Galaxy Brain meme
One Cool Thing:
Marshall shared 1Password
Brian shared Back Your Stack
Wassup
Design Details on the Web:
We are @designdetailsfm
Brian is @brian_lovin
Marshall is @marshallbock
Join the conversation on Spectrum
Leave us a review on iTunes
This week's episode was brought to you in part by InVision Studio
InVision Studio is the world’s most powerful screen design tool that brings together design, prototyping, animation, and collaboration all in one place. Check it out and get started for free at https://www.invisionapp.com/studio

Aug 8, 2018 • 52min
259: Everything Is a Spec
This week, we recap last week's Fight Me poll results, cover some news on React and Firefox, answer a listener question about professional labels, review a listener's side project, and share a couple cool things.
Recap:
"Stock vs. Third-Party Apps" Poll Results
Pocket Casts
Overcast
Microsoft Outlook
News:
"How are you getting prepared for Framer X?" from the Spectrum Framer Community
React for Designers by Zach Johnston
Meng To is considering a sequel to his own React for Designers (no relation)
"Evolving the Firefox Brand"
Instagram Icon Family from Brand New: "New Icon for Instagram Done In-house
Office 2011 for Mac Icon Suite from Brand New: "Office for Mac Icons Get Tangled"
Chevron Logo
Note: Marshall is dumb and said "The Fox Is Black" when he was probably thinking of Watch Dogs or something.
Listener Question:
@CrowCrane asks: "In the world of product design, I’ve found it’s often difficult to define your roll. Who am I?!"
Got your own questions? Ask us on Twitter or Spectrum!
Side Project Review:
Note: Because digital design is ephemeral, the project linked below may no longer match the version we reviewed on the podcast. Just a heads-up :)
PodLink by Nathan Gathright
Note: Marshall is dumb and said "bounce light" when the actual thing is called "ambient illumination".
Got your own side project you want reviewed? Tell us about it on Twitter or Spectrum!
One Cool Thing:
Brian shared "The Bullshit Web" and "The Cost of Javascript"
Marshall shared "Dissect Podcast" by Cole Cuchna
Design Details on the Web:
Join the conversation on Spectrum
Leave us a review on iTunes
We are @designdetailsfm
Brian is @brian_lovin
Marshall is @marshallbock
This week's episode was brought to you in part by InVision Studio
InVision Studio is the world’s most powerful screen design tool that brings together design, prototyping, animation, and collaboration all in one place. Check it out and get started for free at https://www.invisionapp.com/studio

Aug 1, 2018 • 39min
258: A Foot in the Door
This week, we debut the new show format! First, Marshall formally introduces himself, and we answer a listener's question about how to get their foot in the UX door. Then we cover a few headlines, fight about stock vs. third-party apps, and share a couple cool things. If you have any feedback on the new format, hit us up on Twitter, because we'd love to hear it :)
Listener Question:
@RaceSwisher asks: "How do I get my foot in the door in the field of UX?"
Got your own questions? Ask us on Twitter or Spectrum!
References This Week:
Spec.fm
Framer X
Makers by Product Hunt
Evergreen by Segment
The Ecosystem Explained by Marques Brownlee
Things 3 by Cultured Code
Refresh Browser by Julius Sohn and Julius Gehreg
Design Details on the Web:
Join the conversation on Spectrum
Leave us a review on iTunes
We are @designdetailsfm
Brian is @brian_lovin
Marshall is @marshallbock
This week's episode was brought to you in part by InVision Studio
InVision Studio is the world’s most powerful screen design tool that brings together design, prototyping, animation, and collaboration all in one place. Check it out and get started for free at https://www.invisionapp.com/studio

Jul 25, 2018 • 8min
257: Here It Goes Again
In this quick episode, we welcome Marshall Bock as a new co-host and offer a sneak peek of the show's future format. Tune in next week for a full episode!
Design Details on the Web:
Leave us a review on iTunes
Follow @DesignDetailsFM
Brian is @brian_lovin
Marshall is @marshallbock

Jul 18, 2018 • 1h 33min
256: DD_final_final_FINAL.mp3 (feat. Sam Soffes)
Today's episode is our final recording with Bryn, and to send him off we had none-other than our very first Design Details guest, Sam Soffes, back on the show. In this episode we talk about side projects, celebrity, knowing when to stop working on an idea, and what's next for the three of us.
Design Details will continue on! Follow us on Twitter for updates in the coming week about new ideas and changes coming to the show.
Sam on the Web:
Twitter
Website
GitHub
Dribbble
YouTube
Instagram
Sponsors
Thanks to Abstract for sponsoring today's episode!
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Salespeople have Salesforce, Developers have Github, Marketers have Marketo and now designers have Abstract.
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Jul 11, 2018 • 1h 33min
255: Design Caretaker (feat. Charlie Sutton)
Today we caught up with Charlie Sutton, a Product Design Director at Facebook currently working on Games and Video, previously working on Social VR. In this episode we dig into the world of gaming and Facebook's involvement in the growing industry, taking on large unknown responsibilities at a young age, sticking around at companies to the bitter end, and so much more.
Charlie on the Web:
Website
Twitter
Sponsors
Thanks to Abstract for sponsoring today's episode!
✨Abstract is a secure, version-controlled hub for your design files.
Salespeople have Salesforce, Developers have Github, Marketers have Marketo and now designers have Abstract.
You can try Abstract free for one month! Just visit www.goabstract.com for more information.