
Real Business Owners
Trevor Cowley is on a mission to help business owners at any level develop personally and professionally by sharing his past experience building several successful business ventures. It's his goal to convey effective techniques and strategies that any business owner can implement TODAY.
Latest episodes

Dec 12, 2023 • 45min
Scaling Success with Brent Knott | Episode 237
On this episode of Real Business Owners, Trevor and Kale have a sit down with Brent Knott. They will explore the success story behind Torq CRM and delve into Brent's personal journey preparing for a 100-mile ultramarathon in Texas. From business strategies that fuel growth to the unexpected parallels between running a company and running extreme distances, this episode offers a fascinating blend of entrepreneurial wisdom and personal grit.
Want to hear more from Brent?
Follow him on Instagram: iamknottbrent
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Dec 5, 2023 • 50min
Scaling Up with Virtual Professionals with Scott Rammage | Episode 236
In this episode of the Real Business Owners podcast, Trevor Cowley and Kale Goodman are joined by Scott Rammage, an expert in transforming businesses through strategic placements of virtual professionals (VPs). On this episode, Scott breaks down the misconception of VPs as mere assistants and highlights how his approach aims to elevate businesses by matching them with highly skilled virtual professionals capable of major contributions.
The trio delves into the intricacies of the hiring process, emphasizing the importance of finding VPs with proven track records and aligning their skills with the specific needs of each business. Through real-world examples and personal experiences, they hope to illustrate how VPs can handle not only routine tasks but also lead departments, enabling business owners to focus on growth and strategic initiatives.
Want to hear more from Scott?
Follow him on Instagram: Scottrammage
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Nov 28, 2023 • 48min
The Power of Learning and Risk-Taking with Jesse Rubenfeld and Tom Zehentner | Episode 235
Jesse Rubenfeld, an innovative entrepreneur, and Tom Zehentner, an expert in skill application, share their insights on risk-taking and learning. They discuss the impact of FinOptimal's Accruer software on accrual-based accounting, emphasizing the shift from cash to accrual methods. The duo reflects on the challenges in software development, the importance of communication between teams, and the need for adaptability. Listeners are inspired to embrace change and pursue new skills without fear, fostering a proactive approach to personal and professional growth.

Nov 21, 2023 • 1h 14min
Beyond the Mic with Ryan Michler | Episode 234
On this week of Real Business Owners Podcast, Trevor Cowley and Kale Goodman delve into the world of podcasting success with a special guest who has conquered the industry. Meet Ryan Mishler, a leader, devoted father, and multi-time author whose podcast boasts an impressive 80 million downloads.
Join Trevor and Kale as they unlock the secrets behind Ryan’s rise to podcasting stardom.
Discover the keys to podcast longevity and prosperity as Ryan pulls back the curtain on the meticulous strategies that have fueled his podcast's triumph since its inception in 2015. With an unwavering commitment to consistency, Ryan shares the formula behind his success.
From military service to retail management and, ultimately, financial planning, uncover the pivotal moments that propelled Ryan into the podcasting arena, leading to the creation of the influential Order of Man platform. This episode promises to be a riveting exploration of resilience, dedication, and the extraordinary path to podcasting greatness.
Want to hear more from Ryan?
Follow him on Instagram: ryanmichler
And while you are at it, check out his podcast on instagram: orderofman
If you are ready to level up personally and professionally, go to joinrbo.com

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Nov 14, 2023 • 51min
Navigating Growth and Personal Values with Dan Martell | Episode 233
Esteemed entrepreneur Dan Martell discusses the pitfalls of scaling a business and the struggle of feeling trapped. He emphasizes the importance of aligning growth with personal fulfillment, empowering team members, and asking the right questions. He shares personal experiences, reflects on a challenging upbringing, and highlights the need for communication and balance in the face of success.

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Nov 7, 2023 • 52min
Growth and Resilience in the Face of Tragedy with Mason Sawyer | Episode 232
Special guest Mason Sawyer shares his remarkable journey from personal tragedy to growth and resilience. The episode explores facing life's storms, finding purpose through therapy, confronting challenges head-on, and navigating grief with emotional awareness.

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Oct 31, 2023 • 1h 4min
Going All In with Jefferson K Rogers | Episode 231
This week on RBO, join hosts Trevor Kelley and Kale Goodman as they welcome back Jefferson Rogers. In this special Halloween episode, Jefferson shares his incredible story of starting his business in 2018 and growing it to an impressive $27 million in revenue. Despite facing numerous challenges, including betrayal and setbacks, he’s here to emphasize the importance of surrounding oneself with ambitious, like-minded individuals who offer unwavering support. The episode delves into Jefferson's newly released book, "All In," and how he's embraced resilience and unwavering commitment on his path to success. Tune in for a thought-provoking conversation filled with valuable lessons for aspiring entrepreneurs and those seeking to elevate their lives.
Want to get in contact with Jefferson?
Follow him on Instagram
@jeffersonkrogers
Want to read his new book 'All In'?
You can purchase it here:
https://www.amazon.com/All-Unstuck-Accelerate-Further-Faster/dp/1544541937
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Oct 24, 2023 • 1h 3min
Resilience Redefined with Mark Relei | Episode 230
Mark Relei's remarkable journey is one of unwavering resilience and an indomitable spirit. In July 2013, a traumatic accident resulted in the breaking of his tibial and fibular bones, leading to compartment syndrome and the threat of amputation. Mark underwent nine surgeries to save his leg and toes. His story takes a remarkable turn as he defied the odds, refusing to be defined by limitations.
Prescribed pain medications following his injury, Mark faced a struggle with addiction, enduring a spiral that eventually led to his voluntary admission to a psychiatric hospital. It was here that he witnessed the devastating impact of addiction and resolved to overcome his own challenges.
Despite the daunting obstacles he faced, Mark's determination remained unshaken. He completed college and managed to stay off heavy pain medication for years. In an extraordinary show of strength, he trained for a marathon and an Ironman race, proving that with unwavering belief and faith, almost anything is possible.
His remarkable journey and refusal to quit have inspired Mark to establish "No Quit 24/7," a brand dedicated to promoting resilience and motivation. Mark's story serves as a testament to the power of determination, and he invites others to adopt the same "no quit" attitude in the face of adversity.
Join us for this week on RBO for an inspiring conversation as Mark shares his extraordinary journey and his mission to inspire and motivate others.
Want to learn more from Mark? Follow him on: Instagramnoquit24_7
or...
oneawayrelei_nq24_7
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Oct 17, 2023 • 47min
Grinding Coffee to Success with Eric and Destiny Rowell | Episode 229
In this episode of the Real Business Owners, Trevor Kale introduce you to a dynamic power couple, Eric and Destiny. The pair not only share a deep bond in marriage but are also successful business partners behind "Grit and Grind Coffee." Their journey from small-town entrepreneurship to turning their business into a franchise is an inspiring tale of hard work, resilience, and the pursuit of their dreams. As they delve into their personal backgrounds, struggles, and the decision to choose sobriety, Eric and Destiny reveal the transformative power of making life-changing choices and staying aligned with their priorities. Tune in to listen to this conversation for valuable insights into entrepreneurship, relationships, and life itself.
Want to reach out to Eric and Destiny?You can email them at gritandgrindcoffee@gmail.com
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Oct 10, 2023 • 1h 22min
Making the Impossible Possible with Kevin Hall | Episode 228
Join Real Business Owners as they chat with extraordinary author Kevin Hall about the power of words and self-improvement. Discover how comparison can be a double-edged sword and the importance of embracing individuality for personal and professional success. Gain transformative insights on overcoming obstacles and the value of intention, sacrifice, and generosity. Dive into humorous anecdotes, lessons on Genshi, and the power of visualization for continuous growth. Don't miss this inspiring conversation!