
So to Speak: The Free Speech Podcast
So to Speak: The Free Speech Podcast takes an uncensored look at the world of free expression through the law, philosophy, and stories that define your right to free speech. Hosted by FIRE's Nico Perrino.
New episodes post every other Thursday.
Latest episodes

May 7, 2024 • 1h 2min
Ep. 214: The Antisemitism Awareness Act
Kenneth Stern, lead drafter of the anti-Semitism definition in the act, clarifies its purpose as aiding data collectors. Debate covers hate speech codes, campus discrimination, and the impact of the Antisemitism Awareness Act on free speech. Stern questions the Senate's vote and explains the intention behind enshrining the IHRA definition in state laws.

Apr 30, 2024 • 1h 6min
Ep. 213: Campus unrest - live webinar
FIRE colleagues discuss campus unrest and free speech principles, including exceptions to the First Amendment, protest limitations, and USC valedictorian controversy. They delve into censorship, hate speech, and the challenges of balancing safety and free speech on college campuses.

Apr 25, 2024 • 1h 7min
Ep. 212: Should the First Amendment protect hate speech?
W. Wat Hopkins, a communication law expert, discusses the debate on whether hate speech should be protected by the First Amendment. They explore historical cases, the definition of hate speech, and the challenges in balancing free speech with preventing harm. The conversation delves into the complexities of regulating hate speech and the potential misuse of such regulations.

Apr 11, 2024 • 1h 22min
Ep. 211: Generational differences and civil liberties with Neil Howe
Historian, economist, and demographer Neil Howe discusses generational differences and civil liberties. Topics include historical patterns, the impact of Covid on younger generations, the Fourth Turning theory, and how generational cycles affect civil liberties. The conversation also explores the attributes of Gen-Xers, Millennials, and Gen-Z, as well as the connection between peaceful periods and inequality.

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Mar 29, 2024 • 1h 23min
Ep. 210: The First Amendment at the Supreme Court
FIRE Chief Counsel Bob Corn-Revere and guests discuss Supreme Court's First Amendment cases including NRA v. Vullo, Murthy v. Missouri, Moody v. NetChoice, and more. They analyze government officials blocking critics on social media, legal analysis of concealed carry insurance policies, viewpoint discrimination in business insurance, government pressure on social media platforms, net choice legislation, and navigating Section 230 and the First Amendment on social media platforms.

Mar 25, 2024 • 2h 8min
Ep. 209: ‘Is money speech?’ with Robert Breedlove
Bitcoin-focused entrepreneur, writer, and philosopher Robert Breedlove debates whether money is speech, advocating for its autonomy from government control. Topics include Austrian economics, anonymity in Bitcoin, prediction markets, and the impact of information access on society.

Mar 14, 2024 • 1h 1min
Ep. 208: Dodging censorship in Russia
The podcast delves into censorship in Russia, discussing Alexei Navalny's death, Putin's regime, and the anti-censorship platform Samizdat Online. They explore tactics to bypass censorship, potential threats to Putin, and ways to support freedom of expression against authoritarian regimes.

Feb 29, 2024 • 1h 23min
Ep. 207 Free speech news: NetChoice, Taylor Swift, October 7, and Satan
Join Alex Morey, Aaron Terr, and Ronnie London as they discuss a range of compelling topics on the podcast, from NetChoice oral arguments to Taylor Swift's cease and desist letter, doxxing incidents on college campuses, challenges with no-contact orders at Princeton University, and the legal implications of property destruction related to Satanic worship in public spaces. The conversation also touches on censorship issues in universities and debates surrounding viewpoint neutrality in public forums.

Feb 15, 2024 • 1h 14min
Ep. 206: CJ Hopkins compared modern Germany to Nazi Germany. Now he’s standing trial.
The podcast delves into CJ Hopkins' trial in Germany for likening modern Germany to Nazi Germany, his disputed crime, and the legal complexities surrounding free speech. It explores his background, move to Europe, and writing journey. The discussion covers Berlin during the pandemic, book censorship, and the defense of democratic rights amidst legal challenges.

Feb 1, 2024 • 1h 17min
Ep. 205: An anarchist’s perspective with Michael Malice
Michael Malice is a self-described “anarchist without adjectives” and is the author of several books, including most recently “The White Pill: A Tale of Good and Evil.” He is also the host of the podcast, “YOUR WELCOME,” and the subject of the biographical comic book, “Ego & Hubris: The Michael Malice Story.” Michael joins us today to explain why he hates the term “free speech,” and gives his thoughts on McCarthyism, anarchism, Twitter, and more. Timestamps 0:00 Introduction 0:46 Who is Michael Malice? 6:45 What is an anarchist without adjectives? 7:26 The definition of anarchism/prominent anarchists 8:01 How do we have free speech in an anarchist society? 16:54 The McCarthy Era 20:38 Students for Justice in Palestine 24:57 Should we advocate for a culture of free speech? 30:44 “Hitman” 34:01 What is the core right under an anarchist system? 36:26 Elon, Twitter, and free speech 44:38 Emma Goldman and McCarthyism 55:27 Cancel culture 1:01:37 From Emma Goldman to Solzhenitsyn 1:05:31 What is it like to live under an authoritarian regime? 1:12:23 The war in Ukraine 1:15:24 Outro Show Notes “Dear Reader: The Unauthorized Autobiography of Kim Jong Il” by Michael Malice “Hitman: A Technical Manual for Independent Contractors” by Rex Feral (pseud.) “Khrushchev's Secret Speech” (Encyclopedia Britannica entry) “My Disillusionment in Russia” by Emma Goldman “Schenck v United States” (1919) “The Anarchist Handbook” by Michael Malice “The Gulag Archipelago” by Alexandr Solzhenitsyn “The New Right: A Journey to the Fringe of American Politics” by Michael Malice Episode Transcript