
The Tao of WAO
A podcast about the intersection of technology, society, and internet culture – with a dash of philosophy and art for good measure. Hosts: Laura Hilliger & Doug Belshaw (We Are Open Co-op)
Latest episodes

Feb 8, 2022 • 50min
S03 Episode 03: Verifiable Credentials
This episode explores verifiable credentials, blockchain identity management, the current badges landscape and some badges history too as we talk to our guest Kerri Lemoie, the Director, Digital Credentials Research & Innovation at Badgr. We LOVED recording this episode, so tell us if you liked listening to it!
Support us! https://opencollective.com/weareopen
Kerri Lemoie: https://kayaelle.medium.com/
Badgr: https://badgr.io/
Kerri's favourite book
We make the road by walking: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/104946.We_Make_the_Road_by_Walking

Jan 25, 2022 • 49min
S03 Episode 02: Networks of Networks
This episode explores the difference between groups and networks as we talk to our guest Alex Worrad Andrews from another cooperative in the CoTech network, Common Knowledge. This description makes no sense? Well, listen to the episode!
Support us! opencollective.com/weareopen
Alex Worrad Andrews https://alexworradandrews.com/
Common Knowledge: https://commonknowledge.coop/
What is Alex's favourite book?
Flawless Consulting - https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/685404.Flawless_Consulting
We Are Open Co-op's membership policies: https://wiki.weareopen.coop/en/guidelines/membership
What is a CoTech? https://coops.tech
https://community.coops.tech/
The difference between Groups and Networks
https://dougbelshaw.com/blog/2006/09/23/the-difference-between-groups-and-networks/
https://www.downes.ca/cgi-bin/page.cgi?post=35839

Jan 18, 2022 • 35min
S03 Episode 01: Dormancy
Our first episode in Season 3 features the members (and our intern!) of We Are Open talking about their predictions for 2022 and our cooperative policy of "dormancy". What's the difference between a sabbatical and dormancy? Listen to find out!
Support us! opencollective.com/weareopen
The book we mention at the end: https://www.idler.co.uk/product/how-to-be-idle-paperback-signed-edition/
Missing something from the shownotes? Just reach out!

Jan 12, 2022 • 3min
Season 03: Trailer
Here it is, the Tao of WAO Season 3 Trailer! Doug threatens to quit the podcast unless Laura answers enough questions correctly. Ok, let's settle this!
https://neal.fun/lets-settle-this/

Nov 23, 2021 • 51min
S02 Episode 05b: Remote Work
Part two of our remote work episodefocused more on the day to day tools and processes that we use to work remotely.
Support us! opencollective.com/weareopen
How we work - some nerding out?
https://usesthis.com/interviews/clay.shirky/
https://brettterpstra.com/projects/nvalt/
https://joplinapp.org/
https://medium.com/@LauraHilliger/tabby-mctabface-3bff8661ef70
https://ifttt.com
Our gear for the podcast
Laura
- Focusrite preamp: https://focusrite.com/en/usb-audio-interface/scarlett/scarlett-2i2-studio
- Speakers: Tannoy
- Sony Bluetooth headphones
Doug
-Blue Snowball mic
-Anker headphones
"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds" (Ralph Waldo Emerson)
"That having been said, I actually don't want a "dream setup." I know people who get everything in their work environment just so, but current optimization is long-term anachronism. I'm in the business of weak signal detection, so at the end of every year, I junk a lot of perfectly good habits in favor of awkward new ones.
[...]
Some of those changes stick, most don't, but since every tool switch involves a period of disorientation and sub-optimal use, I have to make myself be willing to bang around with things I don't understand until I do understand them. This is the opposite of a dream setup; the thing I can least afford is to get things working so perfectly that I don't notice what's changing in the environment anymore." (Clay Shirky)

Nov 23, 2021 • 46min
S02 Episode 05: Remote Work
Today we're talking about remote versus in person working and the tools, practices and processes that have helped us become pros at not going to the office.
Support us! opencollective.com/weareopen
Positive Feedback in Remote work >
https://buffer.com/resources/building-deliberate-praise-remote-culture-6-methods-use-buffer
Survey: Remote Workers Are More Disengaged and More Likely to Quit > https://hbr.org/2018/11/survey-remote-workers-are-more-disengaged-and-more-likely-to-quit
Culture Study Anne Helen Peterson https://annehelen.substack.com/p/thats-a-big-poorly-camouflaged-red
LEARNWITH WAO > https://learnwith.weareopen.coop
The 7 Habits of Highly Successful Online Meetings: https://learnwith.weareopen.coop/meetings-course/

Nov 8, 2021 • 46min
S02 Episode 04: Creativity and Movement Building
We talk to Kudzayi Ngwerume about her experience building movements and connecting people through creativity and passion.
Support us! https://opencollective.com/weareopen
Kudzayi Ngwerume on Twitter: https://twitter.com/Kudzayi
Linked In: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kudzayingwerume/
James Baldwin - Giovanni's Room: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/669846/giovannis-room-by-james-baldwin/#
Culture-Shift :A solution for the creative sector https://www.newsday.co.zw/2013/02/culture-shift-brings-technology-creativity/
Calling all creative innovators in Africa, the environment needs you > https://creativitymarketing.org/blog/2018/03/01/africa/
Waking up to Idai. When extreme weather hits home https://www.greenpeace.org/international/story/21556/waking-up-to-idai-when-extreme-weather-hits-home/

Oct 19, 2021 • 35min
S02 Episode 03: Keep Badges Weird
In this episode, Laura and Doug talk about recognising learning and pro-social behaviours with badges. They also chat about the Participate project they're collaborating on, Keep Badges Weird.
https://thebadgesummit.com
Why do we need to keep badges weird?
Participate KBW - https://app.participate.com/communities/keep-badges-weird/62003f3f-a7ba-4f6a-990a-64d6f893016d
Project board: https://trello.com/b/MA1Purq1/participate-kbw
Participate: https://participate.com
WAO's work: https://weareopen.coop/participate/
Technology innovation curve - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffusion_of_innovations
Open Badges - https://openbadges.org
Open Recognition - https://www.openrecognition.org
Are badges and digital credentials just for helping people get jobs?
IBM badges - https://www.ibm.com/skills/badges/
Badges for digital transformation - https://blog.weareopen.coop/badges-for-digital-transformation-7e9e1a17e714
4 benefits of Open Recognition Pathways - https://blog.weareopen.coop/4-benefits-of-open-recognition-pathways-a51c10a37633
Intern badges and self assigning - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1yIt1_4GYGPazNFUsDumgDAtlcN8WrmK9mOcGEXfqZLY/edit#heading=h.85fnrjml1wgf
Where's this all going next?
Verifiable Credentials - https://www.w3.org/TR/vc-data-model
Social Verifiable Credentials - https://www.loom.com/share/53a4f6216a0e4af19b1724820e475fe3?sharedAppSource=personal_library
Other stuff
Getting started with digital badges -https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1cq1MAO2ifqrZHByB7oGuQPZkb_61jNx_iPRbS_pcrcs/edit
Badge Wiki - https://badge.wiki

Sep 29, 2021 • 45min
S02 Episode 02: Ethical Design
Today we're talking to Jess Klein, a principal designer at Wikimedia and a colleague and friend for...well, listen to find out how long we've had the pleasure of working with Jess!
This podcast season is currently unfunded. You can support this podcast and other We Are Open projects and products at http://opencollective.com/weareopen
See our website: weareopen.coop
Links and mentions:
Technically Wrong: Sexist Apps, Biased Algorithms, and Other Threats of Toxic Tech by Sara Wachter-Boettcher https://designsmarts.co/books/technically-wrong/
Facebook aware of Instagram’s harmful effect on teenage girls, leak reveals - https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/sep/14/facebook-aware-instagram-harmful-effect-teenage-girls-leak-reveals
WAO's premortem exercise https://learnwith.weareopen.coop/tools/

Sep 2, 2021 • 41min
S02 Episode 01: Unframeworks
Doug and Laura get into the weeds talking about various frameworks and un-frameworks. They also talk about uncamping, whatever that means.
This podcast season is currently unfunded. You can support this podcast and other We Are Open projects and products at https://opencollective.com/weareopen
See our website: https://weareopen.coop
Our work in Frameworks:
- Architecture of Participation: https://weareopen.coop/aop/
- Open Leadership Definition: https://theopenorganization.org/definition/open-leadership-definition/
The Open Leadership Definition outlines the mindsets and behaviors that distinguish open leaders from other types of leaders. Synthesizing pre-existing models, collective research, expert interviews, and firsthand experience, this collaboratively written document details the ways leading with open organization principles helps teams become more engaged, accountable, innovative, and reflective.
- Github repo: https://github.com/open-organization/open-leadership-definition
- Digital Literacies for a Post-COVID World: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1op4zC1xeVCShJ0xGnSow526f-G1hPbYpItX9nDZmZUI/edit#slide=id.g8818d2db1e_0_1087
- 8 Essential Elements: https://dougbelshaw.com/thesis/
- https://blogs.rockyview.ab.ca/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/DigitalLiteracy2.png
- Laura's thesis: https://www.laurahilliger.com/bad-title-thesis/
- Web Literacy Map: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Webmaker/WebLiteracyMap
- https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/initiatives/web-literacy/
Other links
- SDGs: https://sdgs.un.org/goals
- Hardcore history: https://www.dancarlin.com/hardcore-history-series/