Rethinking Education
Dr James Mannion
"Civilisation is a race between education and catastrophe." (HG Wells)
In this podcast, we take Wells at his word. Hosted by Dr James Mannion and David Cameron, Rethinking Education features long-form conversations with fascinating guests about how we might create a more diverse, intelligent, responsive educational ecosystem that works for *all* young people.
If this sounds interesting to you, welcome to Rethinking Education: Education's Critical Friend: https://rethinking-ed.org/podcast
In this podcast, we take Wells at his word. Hosted by Dr James Mannion and David Cameron, Rethinking Education features long-form conversations with fascinating guests about how we might create a more diverse, intelligent, responsive educational ecosystem that works for *all* young people.
If this sounds interesting to you, welcome to Rethinking Education: Education's Critical Friend: https://rethinking-ed.org/podcast
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Dec 10, 2022 • 2h 12min
S3E4: David Price OBE on how to unleash the untold potential of people-powered innovation
Today I am speaking with David Price OBE. David is the author of two books - ‘Open: How we'll work, live and learn in the future’ - and ‘The Power of Us: How we connect, act and innovate together’. It is this latter book that I’m mainly speaking with David about today. I listened to it recently as an audiobook and it’s absolutely fascinating.
Here are some of the lovely things people have written about The Power of Us:
‘The Power of Us is the first book that captures the cultural forces that power innovation, the structural elements to fuel people power, and the tool-kit to nurture mass innovation.’ (Annalie Killian, sparks & honey)
‘…the closest thing we're going to get to a single handbook…of all of the things that we need to do and consider as organisations and leaders…Funny, helpful and engaging and full of actionable ideas and anecdotes. Do yourself and your organisation a favour and read this book!’ (Dave Coplin, CEO Envisioneers Ltd)
‘Packed with fascinating case studies showing that innovation often comes from unexpected places and is the result of ordinary people who are willing to go against the grain. Essential reading if you want to imagine a better future and get inspired.’ (Sam Conniff Allende & Alex Barker, Be More Pirate)
David is a thoroughly lovely man and an innovative thinker who has corralled together lots of ideas and case studies for how we can organise our lives and the wider world in a more fruitful and inclusive and less insane way.
LINKS
David’s website: https://www.davidpriceobe.com/
BOOK - The Power of Us: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/54755641-the-power-of-us
The Rethinking Ed online conference (88 amazing talks): https://www.rethinking-ed.org/reconf22
James on Twitter: https://twitter.com/RethinkingJames
Rethinking Ed Insta: https://www.instagram.com/rethinking.education/
James on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/james-mannion/
Rethinking Education Mighty Network: https://rethinking-education.mn.co
Become a patron: www.patreon.com/repod
Buy me a coffee: www.buymeacoffee.com/repod
The Rethinking Education podcast is hosted and produced by Dr James Mannion. You can contact him at www.rethinking-ed.org/contact, or via @RethinkingJames on Twitter.

Nov 19, 2022 • 1h 17min
S3E3: Sophie Christophy on consent-based education
Sophie Christophy is a culture transformer, feminist, unschooling parent and activist. She works on deconstructing patriarchy, from childhood socialisation in education and family culture, and in organisational culture, by creating a shift to principles of consent and self-direction.
As a conduit for the emergence of a consent-based social and environmental paradigm, Sophie works with individuals and organisations on deschooling, integrating consent and self-direction based principles into practice, and on enhancing authenticity, integrity and transparency by aligning beliefs with behaviour. She also works these principles in her own life.
Sophie believes that consent-based self-direction is the key and pathway to self-actualisation and transcendence – something that all humans have the potential to experience in their life time – and, to being in right relationship with nature and planet of which we are part.
Since 2017 she has been running a Consent-Based Education course, working with people from all around the world on their transition from the dominant culture to this new emerging paradigm. In addition to this, she runs bespoke trainings and workshops, and is an inspiring guest speaker on themes including consent-based education and skillset, children’s rights, ethical change-making and paradigm shifting, and guidance for start-up founders of consent-based, self-directed settings.
In January 2018, she co-founded a consent-based, self-directed education setting called the Cabin, for home educated young people aged 5-11. To our knowledge, the Cabin is the first education setting for children in the UK to be explicitly designed through a lens of consent, self-direction and children’s rights. It is also the first to identify itself as Education Positive – a transdisciplinary education philosophy that breaks down traditional subject silos, hierarchy and gatekeeping, and instead is curiosity driven, problem-solving oriented, rooted in critical thinking, and an open access approach to learning based on children’s rights.
In 2021 she co-founded the Lodge, a follow on setting from the Cabin, a community for young people up to the age of 16.
For more details, visit sophiechristophy.com
Here's the Twitter thread mentioned in the introduction, detailing the impact of the Learning Skills curriculum: https://twitter.com/RethinkingJames/status/1593365917886562314
The Rethinking Ed Conference (>90 videos): https://www.rethinking-ed.org/reconf22
James on Twitter: https://twitter.com/RethinkingJames
Rethinking Ed Insta: https://www.instagram.com/rethinking.education/
James on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/james-mannion/
Rethinking Education Mighty Network: https://rethinking-education.mn.co
Become a patron: www.patreon.com/repod
Buy me a coffee: www.buymeacoffee.com/repod
The Rethinking Education podcast is hosted and produced by Dr James Mannion. You can contact him at www.rethinking-ed.org/contact, or via @RethinkingJames on Twitter.

Oct 23, 2022 • 2h 34min
S3E2: Ollie Lovell on visiting Michaela, XP School and the Self-Managed Learning College
Ollie Lovell is a teacher, author and podcaster based in Melbourne, Australia, and the host of the Education Research Reading Room (ERRR) podcast.
In summer 2022, Ollie visited the UK on a whirlwind tour of three fascinatingly different educational institutions: Michaela School in North London, often described as the strictest school in the country; XP School in Doncaster, which places great emphasis on pastoral care, beautiful work and expeditionary learning; and the Self-Managed Learning College in Brighton, where the students (age 9-16) literally manage their own learning - 100% of the time.
In this conversation, we explore Ollie's reflections on his visits to Michaela, XP and SMLC.
LINKS:
ERRR podcast: https://soundcloud.com/ollielovell
Ollie's website: https://www.ollielovell.com/
Michaela: https://michaela.education/
SMLC: https://smlcollege.org.uk/
XP: https://xpschool.org/
The Rethinking Ed online conference (88 videos): https://www.rethinking-ed.org/reconf22
Rethinking Education Mighty Network: https://rethinking-education.mn.co
James on Twitter: https://twitter.com/RethinkingJames
Rethinking Ed Insta: https://www.instagram.com/rethinking.education/
James on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/james-mannion/
Become a patron: www.patreon.com/repod
Buy me a coffee: www.buymeacoffee.com/repod
The Rethinking Education podcast is hosted and produced by Dr James Mannion.
You can contact him at www.rethinking-ed.org/contact, or via @RethinkingJames on Twitter.

Oct 14, 2022 • 2h 18min
S3E1: Sarah-Jayne Blakemore - The GCSE is misaligned with adolescent brain development
Sarah-Jayne Blakemore is Professor of Psychology and Cognitive Neuroscience at the University of Cambridge and co-director of the Wellcome Trust PhD Programme in Neuroscience at University College London.
She has been awarded a number of prizes over the last 20 years or so, including the British Psychological Society (BPS) Doctoral Award, the BPS Spearman Medal for outstanding early career research, and the Royal Society's Rosalind Franklin Award. She was also the winner of the 2018 Royal Society Prize for Science Books for her brilliant book 'Inventing Ourselves: The Secret Life of the Teenage Brain'.
I’ve wanted to speak with Sarah-Jayne for a really long time - not just about her brilliant work on the teenage brain, but because of her work with Rethinking Assessment, and a fascinating blog she wrote recently about how GCSEs are misaligned with what we know about how teenage brains develop (see below).
LINKS
SchoolsWeek review of the Rethinking Education conference: https://schoolsweek.co.uk/the-review-the-rethinking-education-conference/
Tina Farr blog: Mainstream educators and Unschoolers: Never the twain shall meet? - https://headlearnercom.wordpress.com/2022/09/26/mainstream-educators-and-unschoolers-never-the-twain-shall-meet/
Sarah Jayne’s book ‘Inventing ourselves - The secret life of the teenage brain’ - https://www.amazon.co.uk/Inventing-Ourselves-Secret-Teenage-Brain/dp/1784161349/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1524214280&sr=1-1
Sarah Jayne’s TED talk ‘The mysterious workings of the adolescent brain’ - https://www.ted.com/talks/sarah_jayne_blakemore_the_mysterious_workings_of_the_adolescent_brain
Sarah Jayne and Tamsin Ford's 'Neuroscience, adolescence and GCSEs - a misalignment?' - https://rethinkingassessment.com/rethinking-blogs/neuroscience-adolescence-and-gcses-a-misalignment/
The Rethinking Ed Conference (>90 videos): https://www.rethinking-ed.org/reconf22
Rethinking Education Mighty Network: https://rethinking-education.mn.co
Become a patron: www.patreon.com/repod
Buy me a coffee: www.buymeacoffee.com/repod
The Rethinking Education podcast is hosted and produced by Dr James Mannion. You can contact him at www.rethinking-ed.org/contact, or via @RethinkingJames on Twitter.

Jul 14, 2022 • 3h 15min
S2E19: Jonny Hunt on Sex Ed for grown-ups: porn, consent - and the origin of the c-word...
The final episode of Season 2 of the Rethinking Education podcast features a conversation with Jonny Hunt, an independent sex and relationships consultant and the author of Sex Ed for Grown Ups: How to talk to young people about sex and relationships.
NB: Contains strong language - not safe for work!
LINKS:
Everyone's invited: https://www.everyonesinvited.uk/
Jonny's book 'Sex Ed for Grown-Ups: How to talk to Children and Young People about Sex and Relationships' - https://www.waterstones.com/book/sex-ed-for-grown-ups/jonny-hunt/9780367641337
RETHINKING ED CONFERENCE LINKS
Tickets: https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/lets-get-together-the-rethinking-education-conference-2022-tickets-226415834857
Social media links:
Trailer: youtu.be/JKz8ALX2QFM
Twitter: https://twitter.com/Rethinking_Ed/status/1528046472444485638
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Linked In: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/james-mannion_too-often-the-education-debate-is-dominated-activity-6933887283146207232-53h0/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/tv/Cd1b__3svlV/
Tiktok: https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMNNSFhrq/?k=1
Rethinking Education Mighty Network: rethinking-education.mn.co
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Buy me a coffee: www.buymeacoffee.com/repod
The Rethinking Education podcast is hosted and produced by Dr James Mannion. You can contact him at www.rethinking-ed.org/contact, or via @RethinkingJames on Twitter.

Jul 3, 2022 • 1h 57min
S2E18: Peter Gray on why coercive schooling is "immoral and unnecessary"
Peter Gray is a research professor at Boston College and the author of 'Free to Learn' and 'Psychology', a college textbook now in its 8th edition.
Here are some of the incredible things people have written about 'Free to Learn'::
“The modern educational system is like a wish made in a folk tale gone horribly wrong. Peter Gray's Free to Learn leads us out of the maze of unforeseen consequences to a more natural way of letting children educate themselves. Gray's message might seem too good to be true, but it rests upon a strong scientific foundation. Free to Learn can have an immediate impact on the children in your life.” (David Sloan Wilson)
“A compelling and most enjoyable read. Gray illustrates how removing play from childhood, in combination with increasing the pressures of modern-day schooling, paradoxically reduces the very skills we want our children to learn. The decline of play is serious business.” (Roberta Michnick Golinkoff)
“Peter Gray is one of the world's experts on the evolution of childhood play, and applies his encyclopedic knowledge of psychology, and his humane voice, to the pressing issue of educational reform. Though I am not sure I agree with all of his recommendations, he forces us all to rethink our convictions on how schools should be designed to accommodate the ways that children learn.” (Steven Pinker)
PETER GRAY LINKS
Peter's research and Psychology Today blog: https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/contributors/peter-gray-phd
Alliance for Self-Directed Education: https://www.self-directed.org/
Let Grow: https://letgrow.org/
American Journal of Play - Guest Editor Peter Gray: https://www.museumofplay.org/journalofplay/issues/volume-3-number-4/
RETHINKING ED CONFERENCE LINKS
Tickets: https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/lets-get-together-the-rethinking-education-conference-2022-tickets-226415834857
Trailer: youtu.be/JKz8ALX2QFM
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The Rethinking Education podcast is hosted and produced by Dr James Mannion. You can contact him at www.rethinking-ed.org/contact, or via @RethinkingJames on Twitter.

Jun 24, 2022 • 1h 4min
S2E17: Emma Hardy MP on mental health, teacher retention and the power of oracy education
Emma Ann Hardy is a British Labour Party politician who has been the Member of Parliament for Kingston upon Hull West and Hessle since the 2017 general election. She is also the Shadow Minister for Further Education and Universities. Recently, Emma launched and chaired the Oracy All Party Parliamentary Group, which carried out an inquiry and published an excellent report, Speak for Change, in 2021.
LINKS
The Oracy APPG - https://oracy.inparliament.uk/about-us
Speak for Change - the report of the APPG - https://oracy.inparliament.uk/sites/oracy.inparliament.uk/files/2021-04/Oracy_APPG_FinalReport_28_04_21_4.pdf
Voice 21 thread on the Ofsted English Curriculum Research Review:
https://twitter.com/voice21oracy/status/1529503318275497984
RETHINKING ED CONFERENCE:
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The Rethinking Education podcast is hosted and produced by Dr James Mannion. You can contact him at www.rethinking-ed.org/contact, or via @RethinkingJames on Twitter.

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Jun 16, 2022 • 1h 7min
S2E16: "We need to take the politics out of education": Rachel Sylvester on the Times Ed Commission
An interview with Rachel Sylvester on the findings of the Times Education Commission.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/society/education/education-commission

Jun 12, 2022 • 2h 50min
S2E15: Introducing ‘Implementation Science for Schools’: an interview with Kate Barry & Elaine Long
In this episode, Dr James Mannion - the creator of the Implementation Science for Schools programme - interviews two senior leaders, Kate Barry and Elaine Long, about their experience of the ISS pilot study at their school.
RETHINKING ED CONFERENCE LINKS
Tickets: https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/lets-get-together-the-rethinking-education-conference-2022-tickets-226415834857
Social media links:
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Twitter: https://twitter.com/Rethinking_Ed/status/1528046472444485638
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Linked In: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/james-mannion_too-often-the-education-debate-is-dominated-activity-6933887283146207232-53h0
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/tv/Cd1b__3svlV
ISS LINKS AND REFERENCES
To access the ISS community for free - including a free taster course - please visit https://implementation.mn.co/
ISS visual diagrams: https://rethinking-ed.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/ISS-VISUAL-DIAGRAMS.pdf
The Gatsby careers benchmarks - https://www.gatsby.org.uk/uploads/education/reports/pdf/gatsby-sir-john-holman-good-career-guidance-2014.pdf
Fixsen, D. L., Blase, K. A., Timbers, G. D., & Wolf, M. M. (2001). In search of program implementation: 792 replications of the Teaching-Family Model. In G. A. Bernfeld, D. P. Farrington & A. W. Leschied (Eds.), Offender rehabilitation in practice: Implementing and evaluating effective programs (pp. 149-166). London: Wiley.
Fixsen, D., Blase, K., Van Dyke, M. (2019). Implementation Practice and Science. Active Implementation Research Network. Chapel Hill, NC.
Hill, A., Mellon, L., Laker, B., Goddard, J. (2017) Research: How the Best School Leaders Create Enduring Change. Harvard Business Review, (5).
Kotter, J. (2008). A sense of urgency. Boston, MA: Harvard Business Press.
Moir, T. (2018). Why is implementation science important for intervention design and evaluation within educational settings? Frontiers in Education, July 25.

Jun 1, 2022 • 1h 15min
S2E14: Why we should all be profoundly concerned about the Schools Bill
In this episode I am joined by Ian Cunningham, the founder of the Self-Managed Learning College (SMLC) in Brighton; Dr Naomi Fisher, a clinical psychologist who sends her children to SMLC; and Ellie Costello, the Director of Square Peg, a social enterprise that supports young people and families with barriers to attendance.
We are here to discuss the Schools Bill currently going through the English Parliament, which presents a significant challenge for people seeking to rethink education; indeed, if it goes through largely unamended, it looks like it will be a hugely retrograde step in many alarming ways, all of which we will get into in the podcast. And so, with apologies to international listeners, this episode is strongly Anglocentric.
CORRECTION: Regarding Andy Bilson's research: 44% of all children will be referred to children's (social) services before their 16th birthday.
RESEARCH LINKS:
The Munro Review of Child Protection: Final Report A child-centred system: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/175391/Munro-Review.pdf
Bilson et al - How child protection’s ‘investigative turn’ impacts on poor and deprived communities: http://bilson.org.uk/Family_Law_prepub.pdf
MacDonald & MacDonald - Safeguarding: A Case for Intelligent Risk Management: https://academic.oup.com/bjsw/article-abstract/40/4/1174/1631451
Munro - Predictive analytics in child protection: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/332528200_Predictive_analytics_in_child_protection
Hardy (2017) - In Defence of Actuarialism: Interrogating the Logic of Risk in Social Work Practice: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/02650533.2017.1394828
Contact your MP - or member of the House of Lords: https://www.parliament.uk/get-involved/contact-an-mp-or-lord/contact-your-mp
Petition - We must stop the Schools Bill: Act now to protect vulnerable families from persecution: https://www.change.org/p/updated-attendance-guidance-encourages-prosecution-and-fines-of-families-facing-barriers-to-attendance-undiagnosed-children-with-send-are-particularly-at-risk-time-for-positive-action-for-send-in-education
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