The Green Building Matters Podcast with Charlie Cichetti

Gautami Palanki, currently serves as VP, Sustainability at The Howard Hughes Corporation, where she leads sustainability strategy, advancing their commitment to innovative placemaking, design excellence, and operational high performance. For more than a decade, Gautami worked in both private and non-profit environments, where she led architectural design projects, technology implementation, deploying global sustainability standards and technical programs. Passionate about community-based climate action, Gautami has given keynote talks and led workshops for audiences in more than 20 countries and serves on the boards of mission-driven organizations. Gautami holds a B. Arch from Jawaharlal Nehru Technological University, and M.S. in Sustainable Design from Carnegie Mellon University. She is a Licensed Architect and LEED Fellow. Show Highlights The intersection of science and art in architecture. Bioclimatic design and vernacular in architecture. Apply LEED and LEED For Cities in new, advanced and creative ways. Accelerate the path of architectural design in green building design and certification. How can architecture 'look forward' using data and technology? Arc platform and why all buildings should use it. Howard Hughes' work in creating ecosystems with master-planned communities. Taking problem/solution driven toolsets and applying them towards ESG principles. "​​I'm really proud of the fact that I have a tribe of people like you and everyone who's listening on the call, whom I can rely on and exchange very candid notes and say 'Hey, challenge here. What did you do in a similar situation?' For any green building professional having that network, of a very transparent conversation, is key. I'm very glad to have that peer group." -Gautami Palanki Gautami Palanki Transcript Gautami Palanki's Show Resource and Information Linkedin ​​Twitter ​​Sustainability - Howard Hughes Corporation Connect with Charlie Cichetti and GBES Charlie on LinkedIn Green Building Educational Services GBES on Twitter Connect on LinkedIn Like on Facebook Google+ GBES Pinterest Pins GBES on Instagram GBES is excited our membership community is growing. Consider joining our membership community as members are given access to some of the guests on the podcasts that you can ask project questions. If you are preparing for an exam, there will be more assurance that you will pass your next exam, you will be given cliff notes if you are a member, and so much more. Go to www.gbes.com/join to learn more about the 4 different levels of access to this one-of-a-kind career-advancing green building community! If you truly enjoyed the show, don't forget to leave a positive rating and review on iTunes. We have prepared more episodes for the upcoming weeks, so come by again next week! Thank you for tuning in to the Green Building Matters Podcast! Copyright © 2022 GBES

Jason Packer, president of Recollective Consulting has been named a 2021 LEED Fellow by Green Business Certification Inc. (GBCI). Jason is among 21 professionals from around the world who represent exceptional practitioners and leaders within the green building community and have demonstrated mastery of the technical application of LEED, the world's most widely used green building rating system. Beginning with starting a green renovation business and leading to roles as an educator and consultant, Jason has over twenty years of experience in the building design and construction industry. In addition to Passive House, Living Building Challenge, and Zero Carbon projects, Jason has been responsible for over 35 LEED certifications and participated in over 35 more. Jason is known for his tireless work with clients, colleagues, and industry members to uphold the highest green building standards. Recollective is proud of all the work that he has done over the years to achieve the prestigious LEED Fellow. Show Highlights A program that is planting seeds in the industry. B Corp recipe for how to do things better and to account for those things. Recollective's company culture to divide tasks to increase experience. Unpacking "sound bite culture" to drive the direction green building must go. Happy Homes toolkit, allows on site critical connections in concrete fashion. Join the "revolution" to live in a manner that sustains us without impairing future generations. Tips on how to look through a lens from 10,000 feet to see what's needed on projects. Critical relationships and connections you need to make in your career. Build events | Habitat for Humanity Sustainable Energy Association "If I asked you, how's your relationship with your romantic partner going? How's your family? and you said 'Things are sustainable.' That's hardly a ringing endorsement. It should be far more than sustainable, it should be fun, it should be regenerative, it should be forward thinking and we have a long, long way to go here [within the green building movement]." -Jason Packer Jason Packer Transcript Jason Packer's Show Resource and Information LinkedIn Happy Homes: A toolkit Tom Robbins: Books The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest A Good War Recollective Consulting: Home Connect with Charlie Cichetti and GBES Charlie on LinkedIn Green Building Educational Services GBES on Twitter Connect on LinkedIn Like on Facebook Google+ GBES Pinterest Pins GBES on Instagram GBES is excited our membership community is growing. Consider joining our membership community as members are given access to some of the guests on the podcasts that you can ask project questions. If you are preparing for an exam, there will be more assurance that you will pass your next exam, you will be given cliff notes if you are a member, and so much more. Go to www.gbes.com/join to learn more about the 4 different levels of access to this one-of-a-kind career-advancing green building community! If you truly enjoyed the show, don't forget to leave a positive rating and review on iTunes. We have prepared more episodes for the upcoming weeks, so come by again next week! Thank you for tuning in to the Green Building Matters Podcast! Copyright © 2022 GBES

Balaji Sreenivasan is the founder, Chief Executive Officer (CEO), and board member at Aurigo Software Technologies based in Austin, TX. Balaji has played a critical role in shaping Aurigo over the last 18 years to be a modern enterprise cloud software business that is helping (construction) infrastructure owners plan and build over $300 billion of capital projects more efficiently. Balaji spends his time on product strategy, customer delight, and enabling the amazing people at Aurigo to be their best. He is an alumnus of the National Institute of Technology (NIT), Trichy, and the University of Florida, Gainesville. Aurigo has helped plan and deliver over 40,000 projects across North America. Their customers include eight US DOTs, the Ministry of Transportation, Ontario, and several large agencies, including Cities of Seattle, Houston, and Las Vegas, and the Dallas Area Rapid Transit, to name a few. Aurigo is North America's #1 provider of Enterprise Cloud Software that helps Infrastructure owners plan and build smarter so they can build better. Their mission is to digitally transform the way capital infrastructure, such as roads, highways, sea ports, airports, water authorities and light rail transits are planned and delivered in North America. They have a leading portfolio of software subscription offerings with over $100M bookings. Show Highlights Aurigo, a cloud based enterprise focused on infrastructure and the construction lifecycle from an owner's perspective. Combination of business opportunity and core skills to benefit infrastructure. What drove Balaji to fill gaps in this industry? Entrepreneurship tips on building a network, finding mentors, and later angel investors. A platform to deliver funded projects across the US. ​​Infrastructure and resiliency and so much more? Native mobile apps that harness data across the entire construction lifecycle to make better decisions at every stage. Project Sentiment Analysis from conceptual design to ribbon cutting. "Everyone out there, if they're not thinking of sustainability, thinking about how to have an infrastructure asset that can protect the environment and not harm it…they're not thinking of building a better tomorrow. They may not be asking themselves: how do I build a better tomorrow? You build a better tomorrow by planning with confidence; you build with quality and you maintain with efficiency." -Balaji Sreenivasan Balaji Sreenivasan Transcript Balaji Sreenivasan's Show Resource and Information LinkedIn Aurigo Software Technologies Books | Bill Gates Klara and the Sun: Connect with Charlie Cichetti and GBES Charlie on LinkedIn Green Building Educational Services GBES on Twitter Connect on LinkedIn Like on Facebook Google+ GBES Pinterest Pins GBES on Instagram GBES is excited our membership community is growing. Consider joining our membership community as members are given access to some of the guests on the podcasts that you can ask project questions. If you are preparing for an exam, there will be more assurance that you will pass your next exam, you will be given cliff notes if you are a member, and so much more. Go to www.gbes.com/join to learn more about the 4 different levels of access to this one-of-a-kind career-advancing green building community! If you truly enjoyed the show, don't forget to leave a positive rating and review on iTunes. We have prepared more episodes for the upcoming weeks, so come by again next week! Thank you for tuning in to the Green Building Matters Podcast! Copyright © 2021 GBES

Show Highlights Reflection questions to create professional and personal goals to direct your year. Questions to consider and tips for effective communication. Planning tips to move from ideas to execution. How to bring Intention to 2022. Sometimes avoid lagging indicators when setting goals. Time vs Attention Episodes 9 or 200 will help establish habits Episode 152 how to build a company tips Call to Action to help the GBM Podcast Credentials and Education in 2022 to expand your skillset. Show Resource and Information Atomic Habits Episode 9: Alyson Laura interviews Charlie Cichetti Episode 152 : How I Built This | Charlie Cichetti & Drew Shula Talk Green Building Entrepreneurship Connect with Charlie Cichetti and GBES Charlie on LinkedIn Green Building Educational Services GBES on Twitter Connect on LinkedIn Like on Facebook Google+ GBES Pinterest Pins GBES on Instagram GBES is excited our membership community is growing. Consider joining our membership community as members are given access to some of the guests on the podcasts that you can ask project questions. If you are preparing for an exam, there will be more assurance that you will pass your next exam, you will be given cliff notes if you are a member, and so much more. Go to www.gbes.com/join to learn more about the 4 different levels of access to this one-of-a-kind career-advancing green building community! If you truly enjoyed the show, don't forget to leave a positive rating and review on iTunes. We have prepared more episodes for the upcoming weeks, so come by again next week! Thank you for tuning in to the Green Building Matters Podcast! Copyright © 2022 GBES

Sharon Patterson Grant, LEED AP BD+C and Homes, has been providing green building consulting and education since 2006. She has consulted on over 100 LEED homes, neighborhoods and commercial buildings across the Pacific Northwest, and has developed and taught numerous LEED workshops. She has also consulted on dozens of projects to reduce energy use in buildings and green organizations, including the largest commercial property management firms in Idaho. Recently, Sharon has taken her expertise and gone all in on ESG (and Corporate Sustainability) with RE Tech Advisors. Sharon has specialized in energy codes, primarily through her work with the Northwest Energy Efficiency Alliance, Bonneville Power Administration and Office of Energy Resources to provide education, co-facilitate a statewide collaborative, perform cost analysis and conduct a statewide market assessment. She also worked on a white paper for PNNL on incorporating orientation into codes. The scope of projects expanded to providing strategic energy management for commercial property owners, cities and school districts. Cities have included Boise, Tacoma, Missoula, Eugene, Providence and Grand Rapids. For the USGBC, Sharon was chair and vice chair of the Idaho Chapter for 4 years,and currently sits on the West Regional Council and is national co-chair for the Build Better Codes campaign. Her other board positions include GreenWorks, Northwest Integrity Housing Company and Idaho Smart Growth. As a Certified Sustainable Building Advisor and a Healthy Homes Specialist, Sharon has taught at BSU and Maui Community College and presented at conferences such as Region 10 EPA, Sun Valley Sustainability and the National Environmental Health Association. As a Provider and Instructor with ID and WY Real Estate Commissions, she has provided green building classes to hundreds of real estate professionals. Sharon has degrees in Ecological Design and Business. Her work received Idaho Grow Smart Awards in 2008, 2009 and 2011 and a Better Bricks Award in 2010. She is a published author on green building topics and was host of "Building a Greener Idaho," a weekly radio show on Radio Boise. Show Highlights Benefits of a broad theoretical based ecological design degree. Calculated leaps, travel, and trying different things will shape your career path. Meaningful impact with affordable housing to educate operational costing and provide training to residents. Green design provides solutions to the drain on our health care system. Whole Neighborhood LEED Platinum project that promotes the value for the environment and educates people to support. Different ways to provide education to trades to encourage respectful relationships that promote the green building process. Challenges to do renewable energy in a conservative population that doesn't believe in climate change and has been "blacklisted." Sharon shares what she is doing now, which has an impact across the nation. Practical business approach to climate change. "It's the most important and critical thing we can do in this day and age. If we don't change the amount of carbon emissions going into our atmosphere we're not going to have a future for our children and my son is eight. I want him to have a future. I want him to experience future generations and I want them to have a prosperous life." -Sharon Grant Sharon Grant Transcript Sharon Grant's Show Resource and Information Meadow Ranch LEED ND Homes LinkedIn Eco Edge RE Tech Advisors U.S. Green Building Council Connect with Charlie Cichetti and GBES Charlie on LinkedIn Green Building Educational Services GBES on Twitter Connect on LinkedIn Like on Facebook Google+ GBES Pinterest Pins GBES on Instagram GBES is excited our membership community is growing. Consider joining our membership community as members are given access to some of the guests on the podcasts that you can ask project questions. If you are preparing for an exam, there will be more assurance that you will pass your next exam, you will be given cliff notes if you are a member, and so much more. Go to www.gbes.com/join to learn more about the 4 different levels of access to this one-of-a-kind career-advancing green building community! If you truly enjoyed the show, don't forget to leave a positive rating and review on iTunes. We have prepared more episodes for the upcoming weeks, so come by again next week! Thank you for tuning in to the Green Building Matters Podcast! Copyright © 2021 GBES

Lisa Tharp, is the founder and principal of Lisa Tharp Design, an international design firm known for its clean-lined artistic blend of the classic with the modern, a hand-crafted custom furniture line, and industry leadership in design practices that support wellness of people and our planet. Lisa Tharp Colors, a curated non-toxic paint collection for ECOS Paints, launched February 2021. With studio presence in Boston, New York, Montreal and Auckland, Lisa Tharp Design transforms luxury spaces in the city, country and on the water. Beautiful, inventive environments enhance architecture, connect to a sense of place, and reflect and support the personality, lifestyle aspirations and well-being of those who inhabit them. The firm's work has been featured by Architectural Digest, ELLE Decor, LUXE, House Beautiful, international publications, books, and by This Old House television productions. Lisa Tharp Design has garnered a number of honors, including successive Bulfinch Awards from the Institute of Classical Architecture & Art, EcoHome Award for Tharp's Concord Green Healthy Home which modeled healthy and sustainable building practices, Luxe Gold List, and Best of Boston by Boston Home magazine. Tharp was inducted into the New England Design Hall of Fame in 2021. Show Highlights Know the difference between green design and healthy design. Choose healthy products that make sense for both builders and architects. Lisa's partnership with ECOS Paints results in a healthy package of "liquid gold." Offer and educate clients to select choices that are better for their project and cities when they don't ask. Combination of interest in design of old and new methodologies. Further expand the green reach with new collaborations focused on passive and self-sustaining small homes. How do we rethink cities to make them human friendly, include more public housing, and green space? Switch thinking to what is sustainable, what is healthy and what is human centric design. Combine the best of historic, traditional building principles with the latest in modern technology. "Don't just follow a path because it's expected of you or people recommend it to you. You really owe it to yourself to find your jam. If you follow your passion, you will be better aligned with who you are in your work, your mission, and your purpose." -Lisa Tharp Lisa Tharp Transcript Lisa Tharp's Show Resource and Information Lisa Tharp Design | LinkedIn LinkedIn CONCORD GREEN HEALTHY HOME - Lisa Tharp Lisa Tharp By ECOS Paints® Pattern Language Connect with Charlie Cichetti and GBES Charlie on LinkedIn Green Building Educational Services GBES on Twitter Connect on LinkedIn Like on Facebook Google+ GBES Pinterest Pins GBES on Instagram GBES is excited our membership community is growing. Consider joining our membership community as members are given access to some of the guests on the podcasts that you can ask project questions. If you are preparing for an exam, there will be more assurance that you will pass your next exam, you will be given cliff notes if you are a member, and so much more. Go to www.gbes.com/join to learn more about the 4 different levels of access to this one-of-a-kind career-advancing green building community! If you truly enjoyed the show, don't forget to leave a positive rating and review on iTunes. We have prepared more episodes for the upcoming weeks, so come by again next week! Thank you for tuning in to the Green Building Matters Podcast! Copyright © 2021 GBES

Brett Little, is the Program Manager at GreenHome Institute (GHI), a nonprofit whose mission is to empower people to make healthier and more sustainable choices in the renovation and construction of the places we live in. At GHI, Brett oversees their education and certification services such as LEED for homes, enterprise green communities, GreenStar Homes Certification, DOE Home Energy Score and Zero Energy Capable Program. He also runs their Weekly Wednesday webinar series, professional education, annual zero energy conference and the Grand Rapids green affordable housing program. In addition, he helps administer Enterprise Green Communities on Low-income Housing Projects across the midwest region. Brett has his Bachelor's Degree from Aquinas College in the Sustainable Business program and previously served as a USGBC West MI board member (6 years). Brett lives in West Michigan with his wife and two young children - in a home that's seeking zero-energy certification via a renovation in a cost-neutral way to show that anyone can do it. Show Highlights How volunteering, the right questions, and Starbuck will open doors and allow you to fail upwards? Green Home Institute (GHI) empowers people to make healthier and more sustainable choices. Education, training, and awareness on green building practices for new and existing homes. Certify homes and multifamily buildings either to LEED standards or Enterprise Green or Southface Entice developers build low income housing. The Heartland and Middle America is the second hardest place to convince people to support green building. Incorporating the five pillars of green energy. The bigger conversation about when we're using energy and that it matches when renewables are being produced in our region. 24/7 zero carbon for real-time air quality. Michigan is the "canary in the coalmine." "As we start the transition more to our homes and working from home, this is going to become even more important that we deal with sustainability in our housing." - Brett Little Brett Little Transcript Brett Little's Show Resource and Information Dune books series LinkedIn Twitter Greenhomeinstitute.org Connect with Charlie Cichetti and GBES Charlie on LinkedIn Green Building Educational Services GBES on Twitter Connect on LinkedIn Like on Facebook Google+ GBES Pinterest Pins GBES on Instagram GBES is excited our membership community is growing. Consider joining our membership community as members are given access to some of the guests on the podcasts that you can ask project questions. If you are preparing for an exam, there will be more assurance that you will pass your next exam, you will be given cliff notes if you are a member, and so much more. Go to www.gbes.com/join to learn more about the 4 different levels of access to this one-of-a-kind career-advancing green building community! If you truly enjoyed the show, don't forget to leave a positive rating and review on iTunes. We have prepared more episodes for the upcoming weeks, so come by again next week! Thank you for tuning in to the Green Building Matters Podcast! Copyright © 2021 GBES

Lois Vitt Sale, a practicing architect for more than 25 years, has a career that goes well beyond the domain of project design. She has been a national leader in the application of green technologies and sustainable planning to the public and private sectors. She is a public policy advisor to elected officials and has participated in the development of policies to lessen the negative impacts of the built environment on the health of people and on our natural resources. Her specialty is found in the intersection between applied technology and the development of policy provisions for City, State, and Federal entities. Internationally, Lois is a Sustainable Designer for Kuwait Gulf Oil Corporation in Kuwait. In addition, Lois applies these technologies and practices to leading edge sustainable designs and consulting to design teams and clients to maximize the environmental potential for projects. Besides her work as a practicing architect, Lois is an adjunct faculty at Northwestern University where she teaches sustainable construction, LEED Fellow, and LEED Faculty with the U.S. Green Building Council. Lois' career has been both driven and distinguished by environmentally sound building practices. Her portfolio consists of more than 70 LEED projects including prominent projects such as the LEED Platinum Hidden Oaks Nature Center and the Bachelor Enlisted Quarters at the Great Lakes Naval Training Center – one of the first LEED certified buildings in the country. Show Highlights From Renaissance woman to LEED Fellow, Lois shares key tips and advice for green projects. Questions to consider to gear up for green building and deliver true sustainable building attributes. Find "fertile soil" professionally and personally. The hallmark of Wight & Company, a regional powerhouse. Positive partnerships between the design team, the construction team, and the real estate team. Evolution of energy efficiency goals for LEED projects. Necessary feedback loop to see a building through to occupancy. Everything the industry needs to do for the next ten years. The first project in the state of Illinois, that is verified as a net zero building. "We set practice paradigms. We provide education, always looking at the horizon saying, 'Is our practice on point? Are we focused in the right direction?' Every day of my career is a new day. What we do is evolve, learn, and grow. I am proud of the fact that I have a sense of creativity and curiosity that has been able to find "fertile soil" [in green buildings]." -Lois Vitt Sale Lois Vitt Sale Transcript Lois Vitt Sale's Show Resource and Information Regeneration Jane Goodall: Books LinkedIn Lois Vitt Sale | Wight & Company Connect with Charlie Cichetti and GBES Charlie on LinkedIn Green Building Educational Services GBES on Twitter Connect on LinkedIn Like on Facebook Google+ GBES Pinterest Pins GBES on Instagram GBES is excited our membership community is growing. Consider joining our membership community as members are given access to some of the guests on the podcasts that you can ask project questions. If you are preparing for an exam, there will be more assurance that you will pass your next exam, you will be given cliff notes if you are a member, and so much more. Go to www.gbes.com/join to learn more about the 4 different levels of access to this one-of-a-kind career-advancing green building community! If you truly enjoyed the show, don't forget to leave a positive rating and review on iTunes. We have prepared more episodes for the upcoming weeks, so come by again next week! Thank you for tuning in to the Green Building Matters Podcast! Copyright © 2021 GBES

Show Highlights Our host, Charlie Cichetti, reflects on the GBM Podcast history Transitions in LEED and WELL from 2018-2021 for Green and healthy buildings. Green Building Education Services (GBES.com) for career access and improvement. Existing Buildings and "Is this a green portfolio or not?" Why are we in a recession resistant industry? List of career advice and pro tips notes from 4 years of podcasts. Listener Connection Podcast Challenge, favor request, and appreciation. "We can all agree that sustainability is here to stay. The green building programs we get to use are tools that help us all have the right conversation. Talk in the same language." - Charlie Cichetti Charlie Cichetti Transcript Charlie Cichetti's Show Resource and Information Green Building Matters Podcast Book Recommendations Connect with Charlie Cichetti and GBES Charlie on LinkedIn Green Building Educational Services GBES on Twitter Connect on LinkedIn Like on Facebook Google+ GBES Pinterest Pins GBES on Instagram GBES is excited our membership community is growing. Consider joining our membership community as members are given access to some of the guests on the podcasts that you can ask project questions. If you are preparing for an exam, there will be more assurance that you will pass your next exam, you will be given cliff notes if you are a member, and so much more. Go to www.gbes.com/join to learn more about the 4 different levels of access to this one-of-a-kind career-advancing green building community! If you truly enjoyed the show, don't forget to leave a positive rating and review on iTunes. We have prepared more episodes for the upcoming weeks, so come by again next week! Thank you for tuning in to the Green Building Matters Podcast! Copyright © 2021 GBES

Patty Lloyd is a driven and Goal Oriented person with a strong work ethic. Focused on healthy, high performing projects and pushing the construction industry forward. Patricia Lloyd is a project coordinator and sustainability advocate with more than 18 years of experience in the construction industry, along with 15+ years of experience coordinating sustainable projects. As a construction professional fluent in sustainability, she provides direction to owners, colleagues, and subcontractors in planning, coordinating, and executing LEED project criteria. She regularly creates LEED scorecards and sustainability plans for Leopardo's projects seeking LEED certification and excels at exceeding sustainability goals set during the planning phase of a project. As co-chair of Leopardo's Total Quality management Sustainability Committee, Patricia works to continually improve sustainability practices and education within the company and on their projects. She is active in the green building community locally, and nationally. She recently ended a 5 year term on the Board of Directors of Illinois Green Alliance, a U.S. Green Building Council Chapter in which she served as an officer in the following roles: Governance Chair, Secretary, Vice Chair, Board Chair, Ex-Officio Chair. She currently serves on the steering committee of Building Green's Sustainable Construction Leaders, is on the Illinois Green Alliance Standing Programs Committee, and is the Chicago Ambassador for the International Living Future Institute. Show Highlights USGBC Technical Advisory Groups (TAG) are really influential within LEED to guide future iterations and exceptions of LEED. The trifecta of renewable energies. ESG is a launch pad and a motivator for firms to engage in meaningful work. Seeing the positive environmental impacts of green buildings. Good options on building healthy buildings you should read up on. Finding the "sustainability sweet spot" for your company. ESG in AEC is taking the world by storm. Why do existing buildings have a huge piece to play in the future? "Don't be afraid to fail. There are so many doors that opened for me because I was willing to throw my hat in the ring, several of which I didn't even think I was remotely qualified for, but clearly at the end of the day, I was. Don't be afraid to fail, throw your hat in the ring, see what's out there." -Patty Lloyd Patty Lloyd Transcript Patty Lloyd's Show Resource and Information Linkedin Leopardo Companies Tribe of Mentors Connect with Charlie Cichetti and GBES Charlie on LinkedIn Green Building Educational Services GBES on Twitter Connect on LinkedIn Like on Facebook Google+ GBES Pinterest Pins GBES on Instagram GBES is excited our membership community is growing. Consider joining our membership community as members are given access to some of the guests on the podcasts that you can ask project questions. If you are preparing for an exam, there will be more assurance that you will pass your next exam, you will be given cliff notes if you are a member, and so much more. Go to www.gbes.com/join to learn more about the 4 different levels of access to this one-of-a-kind career-advancing green building community! If you truly enjoyed the show, don't forget to leave a positive rating and review on iTunes. We have prepared more episodes for the upcoming weeks, so come by again next week! Thank you for tuning in to the Green Building Matters Podcast! Copyright © 2021 GBES