
Interdependence
Holly Herndon & Mat Dryhurst, optimistic about the 21st Century.
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Nov 23, 2022 • 1h 14min
Covid space travel and AI rabbit holes with Andy Turner (Plaid) and Emma Catnip
A great joy to host Andy Turner and Emma Catnip to discuss their work in celebration of the release of Plaid's latest album Feorm Falorx. We discuss their intergalactic space travel over the covid lockdown, our mutual rabbit-holing over the latest AI tools and techniques, and the situation for touring artists as they prepare to take the record on the road.Experience Feorm Falorx, the album and graphic novel: https://plaid.warp.net/See Plaid on tour soon: https://ra.co/dj/plaid/tour-datesFollow Andy Turner: https://twitter.com/chimpandyFollow Emma Catnip's work: https://linktr.ee/emmacatnip

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Nov 10, 2022 • 1h 4min
Other intelligences and prepping for utopia with James Bridle
Hi everyone! Back in the saddle after an enforced little break prompted by a peculiar cluster of medical scare, pregnancy and founding a new organization. What a wild year.Thrilled to host James Bridle to discuss his recent book on ecologies of non-human intelligence "Ways of Being", animal sensing and co-operation, deliberative democracy, the singing origins of language, cybernetics, and a great deal more. Few have such an encyclopedic and generous grasp of this field and it was a real treat. Have a sweet week 🦾Read "Ways of Being": https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/317823/ways-of-being-by-bridle-james/9780241469651Order the audiobook of "Ways of Being" read by James himself! https://us.macmillan.com/books/9781250856111/waysofbeingRead "The New Dark Age": https://www.versobooks.com/books/3002-new-dark-ageFollow James: https://twitter.com/jamesbridle

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Oct 25, 2022 • 1h 14min
Is A.I. good or bad for art? With The Culture Journalist
Mat joined our friends Emilie & Andrea at The Culture Journalist to cover a brief history of the current wave of AI art, why artist replacement narratives can veer on the absurd, and the work we are doing launching our new organization Spawning. Read and subscribe to the Culture Journalist: https://theculturejournalist.substack.com/See if you feature in AI training models, and opt out or opt in: https://haveibeentrained.com/

Oct 14, 2022 • 1h 7min
Gamer Wagnerism and dog operas with David Kanaga
A real joy to welcome one of our favorites David Kanaga, the composer and game designer behind Soft Valkyrie, a recent opera starring Stephen Fry and Attila Csihar, the dog opera Oἶκoςpiel and more. We discuss gaming and modern composition and the fascinating villainy of Wagner.Listen to Soft Valkyrie: https://davidkanaga.bandcamp.com/album/soft-valkyrie-first-day-from-the-ring-of-the-nibelung-directors-cutFollow David: https://twitter.com/dkanagaPlay Oikospiel: http://www.oikospiel.com/David's music: https://davidkanaga.bandcamp.com/

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Sep 27, 2022 • 1h 28min
Post-Individualism, Metalabels and Web 3 with Yancey Strickler
A joy to welcome Yancey Stickler to discuss his idea of Post-Individualism and his new project Metalabel. We also get into his prior work founding Kickstarter, its parallels to web 3, and new proposals to fund artistic scenes.Metalabel: https://www.metalabel.xyz/Follow Yancey: https://twitter.com/ystricklerRead Yancey's great blog: https://www.ystrickler.com/writing

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Sep 13, 2022 • 1h 56min
Co-creating new music economies with Tim Exile (Endlesss)
Such a joy to have on virtuosic musician and instrument builder Tim Exile to discuss his collaborative online musical ecosystem Endlesss, the uneasy state of contemporary music, new folk traditions and what piqued his interest in web 3.Follow Tim: https://twitter.com/timexile Endlesss: https://endlesss.fm/Tim's music: https://warp.net/artists/91285-tim-exile/info

Aug 31, 2022 • 1h 35min
The state of streaming, crypto and perpetual musical nostalgia with David Turner (Penny Fractions)
David Turner shares some of the most insightful and thorough analyses on the music industry through his Penny Fractions newsletter. We link up to discuss the current state of streaming, his skepticism about much of crypto, and his positive perspective on the regular recycling of the 20th century in popular culture.Sub to Penny Fractions: https://pennyfractions.ghost.io/Follow Penny Fractions: https://twitter.com/pennyfractions

Aug 18, 2022 • 2h 2min
Inhuman Intelligence with Anil Bawa-Cavia
Anil is one of our favorite thinkers on AI. To celebrate the advent of Anil's debut book "Logiciel: Six Seminars on Computational Reason", we try and pick apart some high level concepts on reason and computation, and discuss why recent deep learning breakthroughs may require a break from traditional conceptions of what we consider to be intelligence.Follow Anil: https://twitter.com/cavviaThe Inclosure of Reason: https://technosphere-magazine.hkw.de/p/The-Inclosure-of-Reason-ecTsvnENeC1GXtmgRNaMH9

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Aug 9, 2022 • 1h 20min
Open Source AI and Stable Diffusion with Emad Mostaque
A real pleasure to welcome Emad Mostaque to discuss the impending launch of Stable Diffusion, his comprehensive plans for open source AI infrastructure, the impending reconfiguration of how we create everything, and how artists might hope to adapt to it all. Stability.ai - https://stability.ai/Stable Diffusion Beta: https://stability.ai/beta-signup-formFollow Emad: https://twitter.com/EMostaque

Aug 3, 2022 • 1h 34min
Future instruments and generative transcultural exchange with Hanoi Hantrakul
Wonderful to catch up with DDSP co-author Hanoi Hantrakul, whose practice considers transcultural exchange using new technologies from machine learning to 3d printing. We discuss his contribution to the 2022 AI song contest, his VST plugin developed in his new role at Tik Tok, and the fascinating challenge of fair and generative ways to interact with deep cultural traditions in the context of AI. Follow Hanoi: https://twitter.com/yaboihanoiVote in the AI Song Contest: https://www.aisongcontest.com/the-2022-finalistsTry Mawf: https://mawf.io/Try DDSP: https://magenta.tensorflow.org/ddsp-vst
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