

BiggerPockets Real Estate Podcast
BiggerPockets
Want financial freedom through real estate investing? Then the BiggerPockets Real Estate Podcast is for you. Sit down every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday with Dave Meyer, the Head of Real Estate at BiggerPockets, as he uncovers tried and true tactics and shares candid conversations with real estate investors who are building wealth in today’s market. Join Dave to walk through deals that went right (and wrong) and learn the strategies you can deploy—start growing your side income today to take control of your financial future.
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Jul 14, 2016 • 1h 2min
183: Achieving Financial Independence Through Rental Properties with Sarah Pritchett
What does it take to achieve financial independence? Thousands of deals and a 100+ hour work-week hustle? Not according to today’s guest! Today we bring you an incredible interview with Sarah P. who just one year ago began her journey toward financial independence using rental properties — part-time! You’ll learn how Sarah is building a rental portfolio despite living in one of the most crowded, competitive markets in the world, as well as her best tips on overcoming obstacles, creative finance, and more. This show will not only give you miles of practical advice, it will leave you saying, “I can totally do that!”In This Episode We Cover:
How she discovered financial literacy through Mr. Money Mustache
How analyzing deals made her feel comfortable buying her first deal
How to invest if you’re in an expensive market
The details on her first deal
How she chose her market
Sarah’s thoughts on HOAs
How she’s managing her properties
How old her properties are
How a Home Equity Line of Credit helped her land her first properties
What her long-term goal as an investor is
How Sarah finds her deals
Some obstacles she’s encountered in her investing career
What the 2 year rule is
How many hours a week she works on her real estate
And SO much more!
Links from the Show
8 Mile
BiggerPockets Webinar
Mr Money Mustache
BP Podcast 172: Breaking Into Apartment Investing with a 100-Unit First Deal with Jonathan Twombly
BP Podcast 180: 58 Deals by Age Twenty-Three with Devan McClish
Thumbtack
Books Mentioned in this Show
Rich Dad Poor Dad by Robert Kiyosaki
Secrets of the Millionaire Mind by T. Harv Eker
The Book on No or Low Money Down by Brandon Turner
Rich Dad’s Who Took My Money? by Robert Kiyosaki
Tweetable Topics:
“My rental income does not count as income.” (Tweet This!)
“If they can’t help you, ask who else they know that can help you.” (Tweet This!)
“You need to know what to ask because you don’t know what you don’t know.” (Tweet This!)
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Jul 7, 2016 • 1h 9min
182: 674 Multifamily Units in Three Years with Jake & Gino
Whether you own a single property or 1,000 units, systematizing your business is the key to growth. That’s why we’re excited to introduce you to Jake Stenziano and Gino Barbaro, a real estate partnership that’s scaled to 674 units in just the past three years. In this explosive interview, Jake and Gino share their story of building a sizable portfolio using a variety of creative methods. You’ll learn about the “hard lumps” they took on their first deal, the mindset changes they needed to take to transform their business, how they financed a 200+ unit apartment for no cash down, and a lot more. This incredible show will not only change your business — it might just change the way you look at life.
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Jun 30, 2016 • 1h
181: Finding Deals & Scaling in a Competitive Market with Lauren Hardy
Let’s be honest: It can be tough to find a great deal in today’s competitive real estate market. If you find yourself in that situation, you are going to love today’s show! Today we hear from Lauren Hardy, a house flipper and wholesaler in the highly competitive Southern California market who overcame a rough beginning to scale her business to several deals a month. You’ll love Lauren’s honesty about quitting her job too early and her straightforward approach to finding deals, evaluating a market, and creating systems that allow her to work and live a full life. And grab some scratch paper — this is definitely one show you are going to want to take some notes on!In This Episode We Cover:
What to do when you hail from an expensive location
How Lauren got started in real estate
Her very first deal
Why she loves condos
Things to consider when investing in condos
How she quit her job — and failed
How she spent $25,000 — and got no deals
Lauren’s tweaks to her direct mail marketing
How she scaled to 2 to 3 deals a month
How Lauren’s business works
How she uses Podio to make her processes easier
How she estimates rehab costs
What exactly cash for keys is
Flipping shows vs. flipping in real life
How she funds her deals with hard money and private money lenders
Where is she going with her business
How many hours she works in a week
And SO much more!
Links from the Show
BiggerPockets Webinar
ListSource
REISource
Google Earth
Darren Daily
BiggerPockets Udemy Course
Books Mentioned in this Show
Rich Dad Poor Dad by Robert Kiyosaki
Tax Strategies for the Savvy Real Estate Investor by Amanda Han
Building Wealth One House at a Time, Updated and Expanded by John Schaub
The Compound Effect by Darren Hardy
The Entrepreneur Roller Coaster by Darren Hardy
Tweetable Topics:“I love what I do, so it doesn’t feel like work.” (Tweet This!)Connect with Lauren
Lauren’s BiggerPockets Profile
Lauren’s Facebook Profile
Lauren’s Instagram
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Jun 23, 2016 • 1h 4min
180: 58 Deals by Age Twenty-Three with Devan McClish
What were you doing at 23 years old? Probably not building 17 houses like today’s guest! That’s right — our guest today on the BiggerPockets Podcast is Devan McClish, a real estate investor from Nashville who’s done nearly 60 deals in just the past couple years — using almost no money of his own. You’ll learn how Devan finds deals, raises money, works with contractors, and so much more. This show will go down as one of the greatest in BiggerPockets history — so don’t miss a second of it! In This Episode We Cover:
How Devan got started learning real estate when he was 18
How he convinced a mentor to teach him
His first deal 3 years later
How to avoid the shiny object syndrome
How he landed deals through direct mail
How he initially funded his deals
Living on $15,000 for a year
How to deal with peer pressure when you’re “going cheap”
The worst mistake he’s made so far
The biggest challenge in the beginning
Why finding the deal is harder than finding the money
How Devan finds deals
Tips on driving for dollars
His future goals
And SO much more!
Links from the Show
BiggerPockets Job Opening
BiggerPockets Events
Advertise with BiggerPockets
BiggerPockets Store
Books Mentioned in this Show
Rich Dad Poor Dad by Robert Kiyosaki
Think and Grow Rich by Napoleon Hill
How I Turned $1,000 into Five Million in Real Estate in My Spare Time by William Nickerson
The Intelligent Investor by Benjamin Graham
Tweetable Topics:
“While my friends are out drinking, I stay at home and try to find the next deal.” (Tweet This!)
“Instead of spending $300/month on a brand new car, I’d rather spend that to get another 300 yellow letters out.” (Tweet This!)
“Whenever they say you can’t do this, I say watch me do it.” (Tweet This!)
Connect with Devan
Devan’s BiggerPockets Profile
Devan’s Facebook Profile
Devan’s Twitter Profile
Devan’s Landing Page
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Jun 16, 2016 • 1h 9min
179: Doing the “Impossible” by Buying 100+ Units in His First Two Years with Dale Hensel
What stops most people from achieving massive success through real estate? Money? Cheap properties? Knowledge? According to our guest today, it’s fear. That’s why we’re excited to introduce you to Dale Hensel, an investor who’s done everything from single family to multifamily to notes and a LOT more. You’ll be amazed at the simple way Dale used his “ignorance” that something should be hard to build several large, successful businesses — including one real estate company he took public!In This Episode We Cover:
Dale’s very first house that he bought in 1996
How hitchhiking led him to figuring what he wanted
How he achieved 250 apartments in two and a half years!
The need for being confrontational in this business
The cool story of how he got started as a landlord
How he added multiple properties just because he has no money
What exactly a “wrap” is
The 3 important pieces of paper in a real estate transaction
The benefits of not knowing what’s “impossible“
The difference between performing and non performing notes
A discussion about his public company
And SO much more!
Links from the ShowBRRRR CalculatorBooks Mentioned in this Show
Rich Dad Poor Dad by Robert Kiyosaki
The 4-Hour Workweek by Timothy Ferris
The Millionaire Fastlane by MJ DeMarco
Tweetable Topics:
“I didn’t know that it was supposed to be hard or impossible, so I bought 250 apartments.” (Tweet This!)
“I don’t have a filter that says ‘Well, they did it, I can’t.” I have filter that says, ‘If they did it, so can I.'” (Tweet This!)
“Take measured, gentle risk until you can push yourself a little further, and realize that you can go a lot further than you ever thought!” (Tweet This!)
Connect with Dale
Dale’s BiggerPockets Profile
Dale’s Facebook Page
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Jun 9, 2016 • 1h 2min
178: From House Hacker to House Flipper & Landlord with Charlie Kao
Trying to build a real estate portfolio when you are brand new and work a full-time job can be tough. That’s why today we are excited to bring you an interview with an investor (and moonlighting stand-up comedian) with a remarkable story of using various “house hacks” to jump into the game. Charlie Kao, who hails from the Detroit, Michigan market, covers his entire investing journey, from condo investing to house flipping to landlording and more. And don’t miss Charlie’s powerful — and incredibly unique — strategy for finding deals through networking! Today’s show is sure to bring new strategies to your business, and the humor will leave you smiling all day!In This Episode We Cover:
Where Charlie comes from
How he learned real estate from his dad
Thoughts on starting off with $5-40k houses
A discussion about Detroit
The details of his first deal
How he realized how to live and flip via working at the bank
What exactly an underwriter is
Charlie’s first true flip in Grand Rapids
Thoughts on valuing your time when it comes to flipping
Tips for living in your flip
How he started out as a househacker
How he lived in the house for two years
How it might be difficult to live and flip with kids
Tips for getting your spouse on board
How to flip while having a full time w-2 job
How many flips Charlie has done so far
How he finds properties and the price range he looks for
The mailman and the foundation specialist as sources of leads
How he manages to get stated income loans
Some of the worst deals he’s had
What would have he done differently if he started all over again
And SO much more!
Links from the Show
BP Podcast 170: The Journey From Flipping Houses to Owning 1,470 Units with Andrew Cushman
BiggerPockets Events
The Secret to Unlocking Bank Financing
Books Mentioned in this Show
Rich Dad Poor Dad by Robert Kiyosaki
The 4-Hour Workweek by Timothy Ferris
Maximum Achievement by Brian Tracy
The Psychology of Selling by Brian Tracy
Tweetable Topics:
“The more tools you have in your toolbox, the more projects you can take on.” (Tweet This!)
“This is going to be the last time I make this mistake because I’m going to learn from it.” (Tweet This!)
“It doesn’t matter how many things you’ve done; there are always things that could happen.” (Tweet This!)
Connect with Charlie
Charlie’s BiggerPockets Profile
Charlie’s Company Profile
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Jun 2, 2016 • 59min
177: Using Fixer-Upper Rentals (BRRRR) to Achieve Financial Independence with Ben Walhood
When you hear the acronym “BRRRR,” what comes to mind? Winter? Well, today on the BiggerPockets Podcast, we’re going to talk about BRRRR — and, no, we’re not talking about the temperature! On this powerful episode, we dive deep into one of the most popular and exciting strategies for real estate investors today — the BRRRR strategy (Buy-Rehab-Rent-Refinance-Repeat). We talk with Ben Walhood, a real estate investor from the Chicago suburbs who has found tremendous success buying properties in several states using BRRRR, as well as several other strategies. You’ll learn why it took Ben nearly ten years to “take off” as an investor, as well as the best tips he has for finding success today. Grab a notebook and pencil — because this is one show you’ll want to take some notes!In This Episode We Cover:
Tips for switching from the linear path of a sales person to a real estate investor
What a “no doc loan” is
How Ben bought his first house in college to house hack
How he learns each market he gets into
The story of how he failed horribly on his second deal
What to do when you get calls from tenants in the middle of the night
Why every strategy could work
How he got better with his type of properties over time
The best deal he’s had
Why you have to fail to succeed
Tips on the BRRRR strategy
How many properties Ben has
What you should know about CapEx
Tips for using insurance companies
How to perform a walkthrough of a typical BRRRR deal
The downsides to this strategy
Tips for short-term financing through crowdfunding
Where is Ben going with his investing
How we was able to quit his job through investing
And SO much more!
Links from the Show
BiggerPockets Calculators (includes BRRR Calculator)
RealtyShares
BP Podcast 151: Finding Your “Freedom Number” with Clayton Morris
BiggerPockets Forums
Books Mentioned in this Show
Rich Dad Poor Dad by Robert Kiyosaki
The Book on Rental Property Investing by Brandon Turner
Investing in Real Estate by Gary Eldred
Rich Dad’s CASHFLOW Quadrant by Robert Kiyosaki
Eat That Frog! by Brian Tracy
Tweetable Topics:
“I just hated the idea of throwing away money on rent every month.” (Tweet This!)
“Find people that choose to rent and not ones that need to rent.” (Tweet This!)
“I had to try and fail before I could figure out what success looked like.” (Tweet This!)
“It’s all about putting in the right people and putting some terms in your lease.” (Tweet This!)
Connect with Ben
Ben’s BiggerPockets Profile
Ben’s LinkedIn
Ben’s Company Profile
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May 26, 2016 • 1h 9min
176: How to Close 100+ Deals In Your First 18 Months with Tom Krol
Everyone knows it’s tough to find deals in today’s real estate market — but somehow our guest today, Tom Krol, didn’t get that memo! In his first 18 months, Tom closed over one hundred wholesale dealsand has continued to dominate his market. In this explosive and highly entertaining episode, Tom goes into incredible detail on the exact methods he used to build out a highly automated real estate acquisition machine. And don’t miss the in-depth discussion on nine specific lists that Tom mails to; it just might change your business forever. Hang on tight — this show is about to rock your world!In This Episode We Cover:
How Tom got started in real estate
Why he had to sell his golf cart
The biggest mistakes he made when starting out
How he closed 100 deals in the first 18 months
The attitude successful wholesalers have
How to avoid “shiny object syndrome“
How he finds real estate deals
What “the list” is
What a motivated seller really looks like
Tips for buying owner-occupied deals
How Tom became successful in this kind of investing
What you should know about “the rule of 5“
Tips for using a virtual assistant
Why the money is in the database
How much he spends on direct mail
How many mailings per month he sends out
A discussion on bandit signs
How to get comfortable with making mistakes
How many hours he works per week
And SO much more!
Links from the Show
BiggerPockets Calculators
Amazon Echo
Podio
Craigslist
ListSource
BRRRR Strategy
Upwork
Dreaming of That 4-Hour Work Week? This App Will Help You Get There! (Blog Post)
FindMotivatedSellersNow.com
BP Podcast 151: Finding Your “Freedom Number” with Clayton Morris
BP Podcast 173: Flipping 100+ Houses in an Expensive, Competitive Market with Steve Jones
Books Mentioned in this Show
The ONE Thing by Gary Keller
Getting Things Done by David Allen
The Millionaire Real Estate Investor by Gary Keller
The 4-Hour Workweek by Timothy Ferriss
The Four Spiritual Laws of Prosperity by Edwene Gaines
Traction by Gino Wickman
Tweetable Topics:
“Progress not perfection.” (Tweet This!)
“Imperfect action instead of perfect planning.” (Tweet This!)
“Every single real estate deal, no matter what you do, starts with a good deal.” (Tweet This!)
“You’re going to make mistakes whether you have 4 years of education in real estate or none.” (Tweet This!)
Connect with Tom
Tom’s BiggerPockets Profile
Tom’s Company Profile
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May 19, 2016 • 1h 6min
175: The Power of a Team to Build a Multifamily Real Estate Empire with Mike O’Connor and Matt Wood
Building a real estate portfolio can be challenging — but taking others along for the ride can help everyone achieve incredible results. That’s the topic on today’s episode of the BiggerPockets Podcast,where we sit down with Mike O’Connor and Matt Wood, two young investors from the Atlanta area who have built a sizable portfolio (150+ units) in a very short time thanks to the power of a team. You’ll learn why they jumped straight from a single house to an apartment complex and the mindset and strategies needed to pull it off successfully. This highly entertaining show will have you taking notes — and laughing — ’til the very end!In This Episode We Cover:
The backstory of Mike and Matt’s investing career
The cool story on how they started working together
The value of analyzing deals
“Aunt Jemima” as their first property
What Section 8 is and some of its benefits
Tips for bringing more people on the team
Why their first deal was important
How they find the right people for their team
How they scored a 32-unit as their second deal
How they went from 32 to 100 units through creative financing
Tips for having a job while investing
WhatsApp and why they use it
How they differentiate roles in their company
The importance of systemizing and automating to scale their business
The Unique Wide Oak Deal
Why you should build relationships with your local banks
Why confidence matters in this business
And SO much more!
Links from the Show
BiggerPockets Forums
Google Play
Tim Ferris’ Podcast
BiggerPockets Contribute
Evernote
WhatsApp
Dropbox
The 5 C’s of a Perfect Loan Proposal
BiggerPockets Analysis Tools
BP Podcast 108: Building a $350 Million Real Estate Empire Using the 10X Rule with Grant Cardone
BiggerPockets Forums
8 Tips For Screening Out Professional Tenants: Your Worst Nightmare! (blog)
The Professional Tenant – Just How Painful Can Evicting One Tenant Be? (blog)
BiggerPockets Local Connect
Books Mentioned in this Show
The Book on Investing with No or Low Money Down by Brandon Turner
The 4-Hour Workweek by Timothy Ferriss
Tweetable Topics:
“We want to be good landlords, we truly enjoy providing good living conditions to our tenants.” (Tweet This!)
“To know that there is something that we can control that is providing us income is huge.” (Tweet This!)
“I’d rather have a small percent of a deal than zero percent of the deal.” (Tweet This!)
“You have to be ready to pivot based on the deal because not every deal fits in the same box.” (Tweet This!)
Connect with Mike and Matt
Mike’s BiggerPockets Profile
Matt’s BiggerPockets Profile
Azeez’ BiggerPocketes Profile
Kiran’s BiggerPockets Profile
Cambridge Investment Group
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May 12, 2016 • 1h 13min
174: Lessons Learned From 2,000+ Transactions Over 44 Years with Dave Short
Around BiggerPockets, we often encourage newer investors to sit down with an experienced real estate investor to “pick their brain” and soak up their wisdom. Today on the BiggerPockets Podcast, we want to do just that. Dave Short began investing in real estate nearly half a century ago and has an incredible level of insight into the ups and downs of building wealth through real estate. We cover everything from overcoming failure to flipping a hundred houses in four years and much more!In This Episode We Cover:
How he got started in real estate from a factory job 44 years ago
The grave need for property management and liquidating their business
Thoughts on going through investing with over a million dollars in debt
Tips for making partners instead of having bank relationships
How help from the outside opened his eyes
Why you should stay in the game despite failures
The importance of working with the right people
How many transactions he has done over his real estate career
How he flips a house
Who’s on his team
How to hook a spouse on investing in real estate
How he buys his deals
How to get a good transaction as a wholesaler
Making a deal by solving other people’s problems
How to show yourself to be legit as a wholesaler
Why you should find a veteran investor in your market
What “pre-habbing” a house is
And SO much more!
Links from the Show
BiggerPockets Jobs
Google Play
Tim Ferris’ Podcast
BP Podcast Show 91: Getting Started as a Real Estate Wholesaler with Ben Grise
BiggerPockets Keyword Alerts
BiggerPockets Meet
BiggerPockets Analysis Tools
BiggerPockets Forums
Books Mentioned in this Show
The 4-Hour Workweek by Timothy Ferriss
The Book on Rental Property Investing by Brandon Turner
The ONE Thing by Gary Keller and Jay Papasan
The Millionaire Real Estate Investor by Gary Keller
Burst This! by Frank McKinney
Unlimited Power by Anthony Robbins
Awaken the Giant Within by Tony Robbins
Tweetable Topics:
“The management is the key to success, and real estate is just the vehicle.” (Tweet This!)
“In buying and selling real estate, every house has 2 to 4 solutions.” (Tweet This!)
“The beauty in staying in the real estate business for 44 years is if you’re in a slump for 4 years, that’s only 10% of your career.” (Tweet This!)
“If you can’t ask the right questions, then you’ll never get to the solution.” (Tweet This!)
“I never look at them as competition. They’re people we work together with, and we can all make a living.” (Tweet This!)
Connect with DaveDave’s BiggerPockets Profile
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