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The MLSecOps Podcast

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Jun 7, 2023 • 39min

Navigating the Challenges of LLMs: Guardrails AI to the Rescue; With Guest: Shreya Rajpal

Send us a textIn “Navigating the Challenges of LLMs: Guardrails to the Rescue,” Protect AI Co-Founders, Daryan Dehghanpisheh and Badar Ahmed, interview the creator of Guardrails AI, Shreya Rajpal.Guardrails AI is an open source package that allows users to add structure, type, and quality guarantees to the outputs of large language models (LLMs). In this highly technical discussion, the group digs into Shreya’s inspiration for starting the Guardrails project, the challenges of building a deterministic “guardrail” system on top of probabilistic large language models, and the challenges in general (both technical and otherwise) that developers face when building applications for LLMs. If you’re an engineer or developer in this space looking to integrate large language models into the applications you’re building, this episode is a must-listen and highlights important security considerations.Thanks for checking out the MLSecOps Podcast! Get involved with the MLSecOps Community and find more resources at https://community.mlsecops.com. Additional tools and resources to check out:Protect AI Guardian: Zero Trust for ML Models Recon: Automated Red Teaming for GenAI Protect AI’s ML Security-Focused Open Source Tools LLM Guard Open Source Security Toolkit for LLM Interactions Huntr - The World's First AI/Machine Learning Bug Bounty Platform
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May 24, 2023 • 36min

Indirect Prompt Injections and Threat Modeling of LLM Applications; With Guest: Kai Greshake

Send us a textThis talk makes it increasingly clear. The time for machine learning security operations - MLSecOps - is now. In “Indirect Prompt Injections and Threat Modeling of LLM Applications,” (transcript here -> https://bit.ly/45DYMAG) we dive deep into the world of large language model (LLM) attacks and security. Our conversation with esteemed cyber security engineer and researcher, Kai Greshake, centers around the concept of indirect prompt injections, a novel adversarial attack and vulnerability in LLM-integrated applications, which Kai has explored extensively. Our host, Daryan Dehghanpisheh, is joined by special guest-host (Red Team Director and prior show guest) Johann Rehberger to discuss Kai’s research, including the potential real-world implications of these security breaches. They also examine contrasts to traditional security injection vulnerabilities like SQL injections. The group also discusses the role of LLM applications in everyday workflows and the increased security risks posed by their integration into various industry systems, including military applications. The discussion then shifts to potential mitigation strategies and the future of AI red teaming and ML security. Thanks for checking out the MLSecOps Podcast! Get involved with the MLSecOps Community and find more resources at https://community.mlsecops.com. Additional tools and resources to check out:Protect AI Guardian: Zero Trust for ML Models Recon: Automated Red Teaming for GenAI Protect AI’s ML Security-Focused Open Source Tools LLM Guard Open Source Security Toolkit for LLM Interactions Huntr - The World's First AI/Machine Learning Bug Bounty Platform
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May 17, 2023 • 33min

Responsible AI: Defining, Implementing, and Navigating the Future; With Guest: Diya Wynn

Send us a textIn this episode of The MLSecOps Podcast, Diya Wynn, Sr. Practice Manager in Responsible AI in the Machine Learning Solutions Lab at Amazon Web Services shares her background and the motivations that led her to pursue a career in Responsible AI. Diya shares her passion for work related to diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI), and how Responsible AI offers a unique opportunity to merge her passion for DEI with what her core focus has always been: technology. She explores the definition of  Responsible AI as an operating approach focused on minimizing unintended impact and maximizing benefits. The group also spends some time in this episode discussing Generative AI and its potential to perpetuate biases and raise ethical concerns. Thanks for checking out the MLSecOps Podcast! Get involved with the MLSecOps Community and find more resources at https://community.mlsecops.com. Additional tools and resources to check out:Protect AI Guardian: Zero Trust for ML Models Recon: Automated Red Teaming for GenAI Protect AI’s ML Security-Focused Open Source Tools LLM Guard Open Source Security Toolkit for LLM Interactions Huntr - The World's First AI/Machine Learning Bug Bounty Platform
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May 10, 2023 • 39min

ML Security: AI Incident Response Plans and Enterprise Risk Culture; With Guest: Patrick Hall

Send us a textIn this episode of The MLSecOps Podcast, Patrick Hall, co-founder of BNH.AI and author of "Machine Learning for High-Risk Applications," discusses the importance of “responsible AI” implementation and risk management. He also shares real-world examples of incidents resulting from the lack of proper AI and machine learning risk management; supporting the need for governance, security, and auditability from an MLSecOps perspective.This episode also touches on the culture items and capabilities organizations need to build to have a more responsible AI implementation, the key technical components of AI risk management, and the challenges enterprises face when trying to implement responsible AI practices - including improvements to data science culture that some might suggest lacks authentic “science” and scientific practices.Also discussed are the unique challenges posed by large language models in terms of data privacy, bias management, and other incidents. Finally, Hall offers practical advice on using the NIST AI Risk Management Framework to improve an organization's AI security posture, and how BNH.AI can help those in risk management, compliance, general counsel and various other positions.Thanks for checking out the MLSecOps Podcast! Get involved with the MLSecOps Community and find more resources at https://community.mlsecops.com. Additional tools and resources to check out:Protect AI Guardian: Zero Trust for ML Models Recon: Automated Red Teaming for GenAI Protect AI’s ML Security-Focused Open Source Tools LLM Guard Open Source Security Toolkit for LLM Interactions Huntr - The World's First AI/Machine Learning Bug Bounty Platform
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May 3, 2023 • 41min

AI Audits: Uncovering Risks in ML Systems; With Guest: Shea Brown, PhD

Send us a textShea Brown, PhD explores with us the “W’s” and security practices related to AI and algorithm audits. What is included in an AI audit? Who is requesting AI audits and, conversely, who isn’t requesting them but should be? When should organizations request a third party audit of their AI/ML systems and machine learning algorithms?Why should they do so? What are some organizational risks and potential public harms that could result from not auditing AI/ML systems? What are some next steps to take if the results of your audit are unsatisfactory or noncompliant? Shea Brown, PhD; is the Founder and CEO of BABL AI, and a faculty member in the Department of Physics & Astronomy at the University of Iowa. Thanks for checking out the MLSecOps Podcast! Get involved with the MLSecOps Community and find more resources at https://community.mlsecops.com. Additional tools and resources to check out:Protect AI Guardian: Zero Trust for ML Models Recon: Automated Red Teaming for GenAI Protect AI’s ML Security-Focused Open Source Tools LLM Guard Open Source Security Toolkit for LLM Interactions Huntr - The World's First AI/Machine Learning Bug Bounty Platform
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Apr 26, 2023 • 40min

MLSecOps: Red Teaming, Threat Modeling, and Attack Methods of AI Apps; With Guest: Johann Rehberger

Send us a textJohann Rehberger is  an entrepreneur and Red Team Director at Electronic Arts. His career experience includes time with Microsoft and Uber, and he is the author of “Cybersecurity Attacks – Red Team Strategies: A practical guide to building a penetration testing program having homefield advantage” and the popular blog, EmbraceTheRed.com. In this episode, Johann offers insights about how to apply a traditional security engineering mindset and red team approach to analyzing the AI/ML attack surface.  We also discuss ways that organizations can adapt their traditional security postures to address the unique challenges of ML security. Thanks for checking out the MLSecOps Podcast! Get involved with the MLSecOps Community and find more resources at https://community.mlsecops.com. Additional tools and resources to check out:Protect AI Guardian: Zero Trust for ML Models Recon: Automated Red Teaming for GenAI Protect AI’s ML Security-Focused Open Source Tools LLM Guard Open Source Security Toolkit for LLM Interactions Huntr - The World's First AI/Machine Learning Bug Bounty Platform
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Apr 18, 2023 • 40min

MITRE ATLAS: Defining the ML System Attack Chain and Need for MLSecOps; With Guest: Christina Liaghati, PhD

Send us a textThis week The MLSecOps Podcast talks with Dr. Christina Liaghati, AI Strategy Execution & Operations Manager of the AI & Autonomy Innovation Center at MITRE.Chris King, Head of Product at Protect AI, guest-hosts with regular co-host D Dehghanpisheh this week. D and Chris  discuss various AI and machine learning security topics with Dr. Liaghati, including the contrasts between the MITRE ATT&CK matrices focused on traditional cybersecurity, and the newer AI-focused MITRE ATLAS matrix. The group also dives into consideration of new classifications of ML attacks related to large language models, ATLAS case studies, security practices such as ML red teaming; and integrating security into MLOps.Thanks for checking out the MLSecOps Podcast! Get involved with the MLSecOps Community and find more resources at https://community.mlsecops.com. Additional tools and resources to check out:Protect AI Guardian: Zero Trust for ML Models Recon: Automated Red Teaming for GenAI Protect AI’s ML Security-Focused Open Source Tools LLM Guard Open Source Security Toolkit for LLM Interactions Huntr - The World's First AI/Machine Learning Bug Bounty Platform
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Apr 11, 2023 • 39min

Unpacking AI Bias: Impact, Detection, Prevention, and Policy; With Guest: Dr. Cari Miller, MBA, FHCA

Send us a textWhat is AI bias and how does it impact both organizations and individual members of society? How does one detect if they’ve been impacted by AI bias? What can be done to prevent or mitigate it? Can AI/ML systems be audited for bias and, if so, how?The MLSecOps Podcast explores these questions and more with guest Cari Miller, Founder of the Center for Inclusive Change and member of the For Humanity Board of Directors.This week’s episode delves into the controversial topics of Trusted and Ethical AI within the realm of MLSecOps, offering insightful discussion and thoughtful perspectives. It also highlights the importance of continuing the conversation around AI bias and working toward creating more ethical and fair AI/ML systems.Thanks for checking out the MLSecOps Podcast! Get involved with the MLSecOps Community and find more resources at https://community.mlsecops.com. Additional tools and resources to check out:Protect AI Guardian: Zero Trust for ML Models Recon: Automated Red Teaming for GenAI Protect AI’s ML Security-Focused Open Source Tools LLM Guard Open Source Security Toolkit for LLM Interactions Huntr - The World's First AI/Machine Learning Bug Bounty Platform
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Mar 28, 2023 • 39min

A Closer Look at "Adversarial Robustness for Machine Learning" With Guest: Pin-Yu Chen

Send us a textIn this episode of The MLSecOps podcast, the co-hosts interview Pin-Yu Chen, Principal Research Scientist at IBM Research, about his book co-authored with Cho-Jui Hsieh, "Adversarial Robustness for Machine Learning." Chen explores the vulnerabilities of machine learning (ML) models to adversarial attacks and provides examples of how to enhance their robustness. The discussion delves into the difference between Trustworthy AI and Trustworthy ML, as well as the concept of LLM practical attacks, which take into account the practical constraints of an attacker. Chen also discusses security measures that can be taken to protect ML systems and emphasizes the importance of considering the entire model lifecycle in terms of security. Finally, the conversation concludes with a discussion on how businesses can justify the cost and value of implementing adversarial defense methods in their ML systems.Thanks for checking out the MLSecOps Podcast! Get involved with the MLSecOps Community and find more resources at https://community.mlsecops.com. Additional tools and resources to check out:Protect AI Guardian: Zero Trust for ML Models Recon: Automated Red Teaming for GenAI Protect AI’s ML Security-Focused Open Source Tools LLM Guard Open Source Security Toolkit for LLM Interactions Huntr - The World's First AI/Machine Learning Bug Bounty Platform
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Mar 28, 2023 • 48min

Just How Practical Are Data Poisoning Attacks? With Guest: Dr. Florian Tramèr

Send us a textETH Zürich's Assistant Professor of Computer Science, Dr. Florian Tramèr, joins us to talk about data poisoning attacks and the intersection of Adversarial ML and MLSecOps (machine learning security operations).Thanks for checking out the MLSecOps Podcast! Get involved with the MLSecOps Community and find more resources at https://community.mlsecops.com. Additional tools and resources to check out:Protect AI Guardian: Zero Trust for ML Models Recon: Automated Red Teaming for GenAI Protect AI’s ML Security-Focused Open Source Tools LLM Guard Open Source Security Toolkit for LLM Interactions Huntr - The World's First AI/Machine Learning Bug Bounty Platform

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