

Perfume Room
Emma Vernon
Hosted by perfumehead & comedian Emma Vernon, Perfume Room is your #1 safe space to obsess over all things scent.
Enjoy intimate, never-before-told stories from the fragrance legends you’re most curious about—master perfumers, industry titans, secret celeb fragheads, indie perfumers you should know, and lots of friends with good taste & hot takes along the way.
CRITICS CALL IT 'hilarious,' 'engaging,' 'educational,' 'just earnest enough,' & 'really bad for my wallet.’
Wherever you are on your perfume journey, you are welcome in the Perfume Room.
FOLLOW ALONG ON IG: @perfumeroompod
Enjoy intimate, never-before-told stories from the fragrance legends you’re most curious about—master perfumers, industry titans, secret celeb fragheads, indie perfumers you should know, and lots of friends with good taste & hot takes along the way.
CRITICS CALL IT 'hilarious,' 'engaging,' 'educational,' 'just earnest enough,' & 'really bad for my wallet.’
Wherever you are on your perfume journey, you are welcome in the Perfume Room.
FOLLOW ALONG ON IG: @perfumeroompod
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Jun 27, 2023 • 58min
101. What Really Happened to Atelier?! + Niche [Fragrance] Hidden Gems You Need To Know! (w/ Scent Stylist + YouTuber El-Aton Georges)
Fragrance Stylist El-Aton Georges is in the Perfume Room! If there's anyone who knows niche, it's El-Aton, and I trust his recommendations/taste implicitly. Currently, he works at Bergdorf's, where he is the Brand Manager for The Maker, and previously, he was the Manager of Atelier's flagship store in Nolita (RIP). You *know* we get that the juicy inside scoop on what really happened to the brand, and when/if we can expect a comeback (!!); we also discuss 'stinky cheese scents,' the Mugler scent that changed it all, how El-Aton finds his clients their perfect scent(s), and El-Aton shares with us the **HIDDEN GEMS** — the scents that NEED to be on our radars — at Bergdorf's!
FRAGS MENTIONED:
Headspace: Santal, Absinthe; Le Labo Santal 33, Tom Ford Santal Blush, Lancome Oud Bouquet, Penhaligon’s Cairo, MFK Oud Satin Mood, Matiere Premiere Radical Rose, Byredo: Reine de Nuit, Black Saffron; Atelier Santal Carmin, Serge Lutens Santal Majascule, Van Cleef & Arpels Rose Rouge, Frederic Malle The Moon, Lancome Roses Berberanza, BDK Parfums Tabac Rose, Naomi Goodsir Iris Cendre, The Maker Libertine, Atelier: Clementine California, Orange Sanguine, Cafe Tuberosa, Jasmin Angelique, Camelia intrepide; Le Labo The Noir, Mugler A*Men, Ralph Lauren Lauren, Ralph Lauren Safari, Loewe Mayrit, MFK Baccarat, Bleu de Chanel, Dior Sauvage, JF Schwarzlose Leder 6, Taffin, YSL: Jumpsuit, Baby Cat, Tuxedo, Cuir, 24, Blouse, Lavalliere; Dior Dioriviera, Acqua di Parma Fico di Amalfi, Houbigant: Figuier Noir, Quelque Fleurs, Quelque Fleurs Royale, Iris de Champs; Perris Monte Carlo Vanille de Tahiti, DS & Durga Debaser, Axe, Polo Sport, DS & Durga IDK What, Eccentric Molecules: Molecule 01 + Ginger, Molecule 01 Guaiac Wood; Roja: Elysium, Elysium Intense; Tiziana Terenzi, Clive Christian Jump Up and Kiss Me Hedonistic, Fueguia Xocoatl, Perris Monte Carlo Cacao Azteque, Creed Aventus, Perry Ellis Black Vanilla Absolute, Dior Homme
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Jun 20, 2023 • 48min
100. Shampoo to Laundry: Scenting the Everyday (w/ DSM-Firmenich Principal Perfumer Sabine de Tscharner)
IT’S THE 100th EPISODE!!! Today, we are joined by DSM-Firmenich Principal Perfumer Sabine de Tscharner! Sabine is a unicorn in the industry because over the course of her career, she’s worked on EVERY category: fine fragrance, air care, body care -- all of it! Today, her focus is in the laundry space, where she’s bringing all kinds of innovations to the category. What makes a scent a shampoo scent versus say a detergent scent? What is the smell of ‘clean?’ Of 'moisturizing?' When does a scent trickle down from fine fragrance or up from body gel? Today we discuss it all.
FRAGS MENTIONED:
Laundry Sauce, Cacheral Anais Anais, Courrèges Empreinte , Chanel No. 19, Guy Laroche Fidji
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Jun 19, 2023 • 1h 5min
*BONUS* RE-RELEASE & GUEST UPDATE: Episode 1 (w/ Thin Wild Mercury's Cathleen Cardinali)
In anticipation of the BIG 100th EPISODE (airing this Tues!), enjoy this special bonus re-release and *where are they now* update from the first-ever guest of Perfume Room: Thin Wild Mercury's Cathleen Cardinali!
*SPECIAL THANKS TO OUR SPONSOR BDK PARFUMS*
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BDK Perfume mentioned: Villa Neroli

Jun 13, 2023 • 57min
99. ISO ~ New Signature Scent: A Live Scent Consult (w/ TV Writer & Comedian Cynia Barnwell)
TV Writer, Comedian, and longtime-YSL Black Opium-wearer, Cynia Barnwell, is in the Perfume Room today and on a quest for her new signature scent!
We discuss everything from the writers strike to Spice Girl typecasting to Sagittarius gender inequity, BUT most importantly, today Cynia smells and live-reacts to several perfumes I’ve handpicked just for her as contenders on the journey. Will she find *the one*?
EDITOR’S NOTE: The original recording included over 20 scents over a course of two-plus hours and has been cut down & condensed to the favorites/highlights.
FRAGS MENTIONED:
Nobile 1942 Il Giardino, Frederic Malle Carnal Flower, By Kilian Good Girl Gone Bad, Bath & Body Works Plumeria, Tea Cabanel Oh Là Là, YSL Black Opium, Lattafa Fakhar Rose, BDK Pas Ce Soir, Louis Vuitton Attrapes-Reves, Guerlain Spiritueuse Double Vanille, Sol Janeiro Cheirosa 62, Sol de Janeiro Beija Flor Elasti-Cream, Burberry Her, Victoria's Secret: Love Spell, Strawberries and Champagne, Pear Glace; MFK Baccarat Rouge 540, Le Labo Santal 33, Fragrance du Bois NY 5th Ave, Carthusia Terra Mia, Aquolina Pink Sugar, Hanae Mori EDT, Liis Studied, Grace de Monaco Promenade Sur la Rocher, Funmi Monet Exalte, Malin & Goetz Kith Vapor, Afnan Ornament Pour Femme, YSL Mon Paris, Givenchy: L’Interdit Intense, L’Interdit Rouge; Thameen Peregrina, Elizabeth Taylor White Diamonds, Elizabeth Arden Red Door, Paco Rabonne Lady Million, Floris Platinum 22, La Perla Possibilities, Chanel Chance Eau Tendre, Vilhelm Mango Skin, Montale Intense Cafe
SHOP THIS EPISODE: https://shopmy.us/collections/187546
FOLLOW CYNIA:
Twitter: @notsocynicalc
Instagram: @bewellcreative
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Jun 6, 2023 • 42min
98. Emma in Paris! (a solo episode)
I went to Paris and now it's my *~whole personality~*. Here's a recap of everything I smelled and loved! Wish you could smell along? YOU. CAN. Sign up for JUNE SMELL CLUB, where we'll be smelling 5 of my favorite discoveries from the trip!
FRAGS MENTIONED:
Mathilde M. Astrée (scented plaster dove + room spray), Le Nez du Vin Master Kit, Le Nez du Vin Wine Faults, Maison Berger Paris Chardon Sauvage, Divine L’Homme Accompli, Memo Sicilian Leather, Divine L’Espirit Libre, L’Artisan Iris Gris, June Smell Club Emma in Paris sample pack, Perfumer H: Ink, Rain Cloud, Rain Wood, Suede; Miller Harris, D’Orsay: Nous Sommes Amants M.D., Vouloirs Etre Ailleurs C.G., Naomi Goodsir Iris Cendré, Nuit de Bakelite, Serge Lutens Iris Silver Mist, Aedes Iris Nazarena, Annick Goutal: Petite Chérie, Rose Splendide; Céline Parade, YSL Trench, Mizensir Bois Iridescent, Céline Saint Germain-des-Prés, Nightclubbing, L’Artisan Abyssae, Mandarina Corsica, Serge Lutens: Bois de Violette, Chypre Rouge; BDK Rouge Smoking, BohoBoco Wet Cherry Liquor, Tom Ford Lost Cherry, Serge Lutens: Jeux de Peau, Miel de Bois; Bienaime: Vermeil, Jours Heureux, Buly 1803 Eau Triple Yuzu de Kizo, Chris Collins Citrus Grandis, Caswell Massey Orchid, Headspace: Absinthe, Tubereuse, Genievre, Myrrhe; Nobile 1942: La Stanza Delle Bambole, Il Giardino Delle Delizie; Serge Lutens La Vierge de Fer, Diptyque Benjoin Boheme, Frederic Malle Musc Ravageur, Serge Lutens Ambre Sultan, Cartier Pur Magnolia, YSL: Babycat, Jumpsuit; Guerlain Aqua Allegoria Nerolia Vetiver, 4711, Chanel Paris Paris, Lancome La Vie Est Belle Iris Absolu
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SHOP THIS EPISODE: https://shopmy.us/collections/183000
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May 23, 2023 • 1h 3min
97. The Fragrance That Went to OuterSpace (w/ Olfactive Artist Eva Petrič)
How would you describe the smell of Earth (and Earthlings) to someone who's never been? Today I chat with olfactive artist Eva Petrič, whose line of fragrances are meant to do just that. Each scent bottles a different fragrant aspect of life on Earth and the humans who inhabit it. And sure, we [Earthlings] can buy them at Bergdorf's, but these fragrances are not meant solely for our consumption; they're messages in a bottle meant for whoever discovers them...in whichever galaxy that may be. In fact, Eva's fragrance Message from Earth was quite literally... SENT TO OUTERSPACE.
FRAGS MENTIONED:
Caswell Massey Orchid, La Perla Once Upon a Garden, Headspace Absinthe, Thierry Mugler, DBE: Angel Hound, Message From Earth, Empathy, Curiosity, Moon H20
Follow Eva: @eva_petric_angel_hound
Shop DBE: Bergdorfgoodman.com
Read more: dbe528.com
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May 16, 2023 • 1h 6min
96. No, Not Everything Smells Like Baccarat (w/ Fragrance Specialist & Personality Travaulya Wallace)
Travaulya Wallace is BACK in the Perfume Room today! You may remember her from Perfume Room LIVE or perhaps you are one of her 238K TikTok followers(!), or maybe, you’ve even shopped with her at Nordstrom where she is a Fragrance Specialist providing her clients with the ultimate personalized fragrance experiences. Today, Travaulya and I chat about everything from scent preferences that make us think twice, to why Aquarius’ are misunderstood (and the scents they should be wearing), to the difference between a ‘Don’t Hug Me’ scent vs. a ‘Leave Me Alone’ scent (because they are indeed quite different), and of course, the delicate balance between intuition and knowledge when it comes to fragrance consulting.
FRAGS MENTIONED:
La Perla: Once Upon A Garden, My Day, Possibilities; Tom Ford: Electric Cherry, Lost Cherry; BDK Rouge Smoke, Tom Ford Cherry Smoke, Creed Aventus For Him, Baccarat Rouge 540, Allsaints Sunset Riot, Burberry Her, Ariana Grande Cloud, Parfums de Marly Haltane, Maison Margiela Coffee Break, Frederic Malle Portrait of a Lady, Henry Rose Dark Is Night, Parfum de Marly Valaya, Tom Ford Fu*king Fabulous, Coty Ex'cla-ma'tion!, Tommy Hilfiger Tommy Girl, D&G Pour Homme, Curve for Men, Issey Miyake, JPG Le Male, Victoria Secret Love Spell, Clinique Aromatics Elixir, Miss Dior, Egyptian Musk, Byredo: Vanille Antique, Rose of No Man’s Land; Amouage Reflection, Aerin: Cedar Violet, Fleur de Peony; Jo Malone Peony Blush Suede, Tom Ford Black Orchid, Creed Love in White, Dior Oud Ispahan, Floral Street Arizona Bloom, YSL Tuxedo, Malin & Goetz Dark Rum, Replica Jazz Club, Diptyque Orpheon, MFK: Gentle Fluidity Silver, Gentle Fluidity Gold; Tom Ford Oud Wood, The Phluid Project Transcend, Jimmy Choo I Want Choo, Givenchy L’Interdit, Diptyque Fleur de Peau, Le Labo Santal 33, Jo Malone Silver Birch & Lavender, Tiffany & Love For Her, Clinique Happy, Byredo Mojave Ghost, Parfums de Marly Valaya
FOLLOW TRAVAULYA: @travaulyawallace
FOLLOW PERFUME ROOM: @perfumeroodpod (IG) @emma_vern (TikTok)
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May 9, 2023 • 1h 14min
95. Only [Fragrance] Fools Rush In (w/ Roja Parfums Creator Roja Dove)
Perfume Legend Roja Dove is in the Perfume Room today! Creator of the first Haute Parfumerie, Founder and Perfumer of the ever-luxurious Roja Parfums, Chairman of the Fragrance Foundation UK, and Culture Ambassador for Great Britain, it seems that all Roja touches turns to gold (in fact, you can find gold flakes in his signature scent ;)).
Today he takes us back to his earliest scent memories, recounts multiple pivotal moments in his lifelong fragrance career (a career which he fondly recalls having ‘pestered’ his way into), and shares why we must be willing to flirt [with perfumes] until we find our perfect match. We discuss what makes Roja Parfums so special (including why some carry larger price tags than others), AND Roja even leaves us with a life-changing hot take: SPOILER ALERT — it involves lotion.
FRAGS MENTIONED:
La Perla: Once Upon a Garden, My Day; Roja Parfums: Roja (Haute Luxe), Chypre Extraordinaire, Coty L’Aimant, Balenciaga Eau de Balenciage Lavande, Caron Pour un Homme, Guerlain: Jicky, L’Heure Bleue, Mitsouko; Chanel No. 5, Dior Miss Dior, Hermes Caleche, Rochas Madame Rochas, Hermes Equipage, Amouage Gold, Pierre Balmain Ivoire de Balmain, Coty La Rose Jacqueminot, Dior: Diorama, Diorling, Eau Fraiche; Houbigant Quelques Fleurs, Roja Parfums: A Good Night Kiss, Apex, Elysium Eau Intense, Isola Blu, Vetiver, Risque
FOLLOW: @rojaparfums @rojadove
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May 2, 2023 • 60min
94. There are no bad smells (w/ ISIPCA Student Yousif Saleh)
If you’ve ever wondered about the path to becoming a perfumer, this episode is for you! ISIPCA Student Yousif Saleh is parlaying his chemistry degree, love of fragrance, and background as both a drag artist and sommelier into the most logical career: PERFUMERY. Halfway through ISIPCA’s curriculum, Yousif is *in the thick of it* and shares everything from daily life as a student in Paris, to the fragrances that shaped him, his tips and tricks for memorizing raw materials, and how there is no such thing as bad perfumes.
FRAGS MENTIONED:
Diptyque Orpheon, Frederic Malle Iris Poudre, Ourside Dusk, Calvin Klein Euphoria, Issey Miyake L’Eau D’Issey, Phlur Tangerine Boy, Liquides Imaginaires: Fleur de Sable, Belle Bete, Fleuve Tendre; Nasomatto Sadonaso, Mugler A*Men Pure Tonka, Givenchy Pour Homme, Joop Homme, Serge Lutens: Filles en Aiguilles, Santal Majuscule; Frederic Malle Portrait of a Lady, Dior Oud Ispahan, Guerlain Santal Royal, Celine Reptile, Marc Jacobs Daisy, Jo Malone Pomegranate Noir, Gucci Guilty, Paco Rabanne Invictus, Tom Ford Black Orchid, Le Labo The Noir 29, Ourside Dusk, Bulgari Extreme, ELdO Experimentum Crucis, Narciso For Her, Serge Lutens Jeux de Peau, JPG Le Male, YSL Kouros
SHOP THIS EPISODE: https://shopmy.us/collections/163111
FOLLOW: @youee
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Apr 25, 2023 • 1h 1min
93. A Conversation Between Founder and Perfumer (w/ Ourside’s Keta Burke-Williams and Delbia Do's Darryl Do)
Very special episode today!! You often hear about the founder/perfumer collaboration process, but rarely do you get an inner-glimpse of it. Today, you do! I am joined by the Founder AND the Perfumer of one of my favorite-ever brands: Ourside! (Yes, that brand I won't stop talking about...) Ourside is a small-batch, luxury, ingredient-conscious, Black-owned brand, and is one of the ONLY brands that can truly claim being entirely NYC-based. From idea to bottle, every aspect of these scents is hand-crafted in the Big Apple. Ya, I just wrote big apple in a podcast description - what about it?
I chat with Founder Keta Burke-Williams (HBS grad turned fragrance entrepreneur) and Perfumer Darryl Do (a 2nd-gen perfumer in his family's fragrance and flavor manufacturing house, Delbia Do) all about their collaboration process. This ep feels like a VIP pass to a rarely-publicized conversation. And if you haven't heard Keta's and my first conversation, go listen to EPISODE 8! <3
FRAGS MENTIONED:
L’Objet Oh Mon Dieu, Frederic Malle Lipstick Rose, Balenciaga Balenciaga, Ourside Dusk, Chanel No. 5, Ourside Nostalgia, Hollister, Axe, TAG, Ourside Moon Dust
FOLLOW: @ourside.nyc @senseidarryl
SHOP: ourside.nyc
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