
Banking with Interest
Banking with Interest, a podcast by IntraFi, features in-depth analysis and insight into the policy changes reshaping the banking industry. With insightful interviews and previews of pending policy challenges, the podcast is an essential listen for anyone connected to the financial services industry.
Banking with Interest is hosted by Rob Blackwell, an award-winning former journalist with more than two decades of experience as an expert on financial services policy. He is now Chief Content Officer and Head of External Affairs with IntraFi.
The show is produced by Sam Navarro, senior principal writer at IntraFi. The podcast theme song was written and produced by Stellar Tracks. The information, views, and opinions expressed during Banking With Interest belong solely to Rob Blackwell and his guests and do not represent those of IntraFi LLC, its directors, management, or employees. Any ideas and strategies contained within the podcast are for informational purposes only and do not constitute legal or investment advice.
Latest episodes

Apr 3, 2024 • 48min
Steele on What’s Needed After SVB, Biggest Threat to Banks, M&A Policy
Graham Steele, the former Treasury assistant secretary for financial institutions, offers a behind-the-scenes perspective on regulators’ decision to rescue uninsured depositors at Silicon Valley Bank and two other regional banks. He also discusses what policy changes are still needed as a result, the greatest challenge facing the banking industry, and why he’s worried about a “catastrophic” cybersecurity event.

Mar 21, 2024 • 32min
How SVB’s Collapse Changed Bank Policy for Good
Exploring the aftermath of Silicon Valley Bank's collapse and its impact on bank supervision and policy-making strategies. Reflecting on regulatory supervision post-collapse, challenges in home loan bank reform, bank stability concerns, and delays in FDIC's M&A policy changes. Discussing bank policies, competition, and promoting de novo formation while discouraging mergers.

Mar 13, 2024 • 38min
Whip Emmer on CBDCs, “Junk” Fees, Crypto and Community Banks
House Majority Whip Tom Emmer talks about his fears for the future of small banks—and how to reverse course—and why his movement to ban the Fed from creating a CBDC has gained steam. He also tackles his predictions for the House elections this year, the CFPB’s push against so-called “junk” fees and how he became one of the leading advocates for cryptocurrency in Congress.

Mar 6, 2024 • 36min
“The Most Contentious Fight in Washington Right Now”
Richard Hunt, executive chair of the Electronic Payments Coalition, talks about the battle over Capital One buying Discover, how it connects to the Durbin amendment’s restrictions on debit interchange fees, and why the fight over another Durbin legislative proposal on credit cards is so heated.

Feb 28, 2024 • 34min
How Banks Can Win the Battle for Deposits
Neil Stanley, CEO of the CorePoint, offers strategies and products banks can use to attract and retain deposits in a highly competitive deposit environment.

Feb 21, 2024 • 48min
Esther George on Interest Rate Cuts, CRE, Bank Failures, and Everything in Between
The former Kansas City Fed president talks about the persistence of inflation, when the central bank is likely to lower interest rates, how worried she is about office CRE, the lessons from the failures of three regional banks last year, whether she supports a central bank digital currency, and the future of community banks.

Feb 13, 2024 • 24min
Are We Headed for Another Regional Bank Crisis?
After a prominent regional bank slashed its dividend amid unexpected losses related to office commercial real estate loans, some in the media are raising fears that another round of failures could be in the offing. Jaret Seiberg, managing director of Cowen’s Washington Research Group, details what happened, how regulators are responding, and whether it’s a sign of more trouble or a one-off event.

Feb 6, 2024 • 25min
Why the War Over "Junk" Fees Has Heated Up
Kate Berry, who covers the CFPB for American Banker, goes behind the scenes on the consumer agency’s latest proposals to limit overdraft fees and institute new limits around nonsufficient funds transactions.

Jan 30, 2024 • 19min
Bank M&A was “miserable” in 2023. Will this year be even worse?
Naomi Snyder, Editor-in-Chief of Bank Director, discusses why the bank M&A market was so bad in 2023 and the obstacles faced, including asset quality, pricing expectations, lack of suitable targets, cultural integration, and regulatory approval challenges. The chapter also explores the potential changes and proposals in bank M&A, such as dropping a 1996 OCC rule and collaboration with other agencies to assess competition in the industry.

Jan 23, 2024 • 33min
The “Existential” CFPB Plan Banks Should Care About
John Pitts, head of policy for Plaid, argues a new CFPB open-data proposal could transform the financial services industry. He says bankers, many of whom are skeptical of the plan, could see significant opportunities, including a greater ability to attract new customers.