
The Optimal Path
The Optimal Path is a podcast about user research and product decision-making, brought to you by Maze. Explore how today's leading organizations leverage user research to inform better product decisions. Each episode uncovers the ideas and approaches used to unlock continuous insights—and the optimal path for product success.
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Latest episodes

Mar 14, 2024 • 34min
How customer insights power digital transformation with Sander Viegers | Rabobank
The podcast discusses the role of research and design in digital transformation at Rabobank. It explores the cooperative approach to customer-centric design, with examples of how research drives innovation. Topics include fostering autonomy, empathy in product management, and the power of visualization using paper and pen.

Feb 29, 2024 • 38min
Building research practices for community products with Amy Lima | Diversify Design
In this episode of The Optimal Path, host Ash Oliver is joined by Amy Lima, formerly product designer at AMP @ Amazon Music and currently founder of Diversify Design. Together, they discuss the role of user research in building community products and how to start and scale a research practice inside design teams.About Amy:Amy Lima is a first-generation Brazilian-American product designer, and founder of Diversify Design.Her global footprint growing up between cultures and across continents brings an innate appreciation for diverse perspectives and a fascination for the human experience. To honor these values, her design philosophy is deeply rooted in ethical and inclusive design practices, with her work focusing on fostering community and social expression in a 0-to-1 design process.Beyond her 9 to 5, she’s an active member of the design community and is often found hosting panels, giving conference talks, and writing articles on her experience pivoting into design from the music industry as a minority in tech.Connect with Amy:You can connect with Amy on LinkedIn.Resources:Mismatch by Kat HolmesWeapons of Math Destruction by Cathy O’NeilFollow Maze on Social Media: • X: @mazedesignHQ • Instagram: @mazedesignHQ • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/mazedesignTo get notified when new episodes come out, subscribe at maze.co/podcast.See you next time!

Feb 15, 2024 • 43min
Integrating research into marketing teams with Marcus Brandford | Figma
In this episode of The Optimal Path, host Ash Oliver welcomes Marcus Brandford to discuss the transformative power of research in marketing and product development. Delving into how research can inform creative campaigns and marketing decisions, Marcus shares how Figma harnesses customer insights to understand its audience and build impactful brand connections that drive better business outcomes.About Marcus:Marcus Brandford uses research to power marketing decisions. His career began on the agency side at Known, a marketing strategy firm where he ran custom studies for many Google teams as well as Microsoft, Intel, Viacom and others. After leaving the field to pursue his MBA from UC Berkeley, he joined Figma in 2022 as a dedicated researcher for the Marketing function. Marcus works with the Brand, Growth, Editorial, and PMM teams to introduce the market perspective into the creative process, helping teams build with their audience in mind.Connect with Marcus:You can connect with Marcus on LinkedIn.Resources:• The Dream Machine by M. Mitchell WaldropFollow Maze on Social Media: • X: @mazedesignHQ • Instagram: @mazedesignHQ • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/mazedesignTo get notified when new episodes come out, subscribe at maze.co/podcast.See you next time!

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Feb 1, 2024 • 45min
Fostering a culture of organizational learning with Roy Opata Olende | Zapier
In this episode of The Optimal Path, host Ash Oliver sits down with Roy Opata Olende to delve into the complexities of UX research across organizational altitudes. They explore the different modalities of learning that take place inside organizations, the critical need for leadership buy-in, and the challenges of communicating research impact. Roy introduces the concept of a "menu of learning" along with his best practices for fostering a culture of curiosity within your own organization.About Roy:Roy Opata Olende has been involved in user research and service design since 2012. He currently leads the UX Research practice at Zapier, a SaaS automation company. Prior to this role, he led Research Operations at Zapier and UX Research at Buffer.When not working or hanging out with his wife and three young boys, he can be found obsessing over football (soccer). Roy hails from Kenya and currently resides just outside of Toronto, Canada.Connect with Roy:You can connect with Roy on X or LinkedIn.Resources:• Research Maturity Model Report by Maze • How Zapier's Head of UX Research Organizes Projects • How to Build a High-Impact Learning Culture by Josh Bersin • Just Enough Research by Erika Hall • Research Practice by Gregg BernsteinFollow Maze on social media:• X: @mazedesignHQ • Instagram: @mazedesignHQ • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/mazedesignTo get notified when new episodes come out, subscribe at maze.co/podcast.See you next time!

Jan 22, 2024 • 2min
Welcome To The Optimal Path
The Optimal Path is a podcast about user research and product decision-making, brought to you by Maze.The voices featured in this trailer are Ash Oliver, UX Research Advocate at Maze; Marcus Brandford, Figma; Roy Opata Olende, Zapier; Amy Lima, (formerly) Amp @ Amazon Music; and Benjamin Humphrey, DovetailNew episodes drop every other week. Follow Maze and Ash Oliver on LinkedIn for updates, or visit maze.co/podcast and subscribe to be the first to know when we launch new episodes. See you soon!

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Dec 7, 2022 • 27min
Envisioning the future of the research industry with Jonathan Widawski | Maze
The Optimal Path is a podcast about product decision-making from the team at Maze. Each episode brings in a product expert and looks at the stories, ideas, and frameworks they use to achieve better product decision-making—and how you can do the same.You can connect with Jo on Twitter or LinkedIn. Resources mentioned:Continuous Research Report: Trends to Watch in 2023 by Maze in partnership with AtlassianUX Leadership Playbook: Democratizing Research to Deliver Impact at Scale by Maze in partnership with ADPListBuilding organizations that learn by Behzod SirjaniThe Design of Everyday Things by Donald A. NormanThe Mom Test by Rob FitzpatrickFollow Maze on social media:Twitter: @mazedesignHQInstagram: @mazedesignHQLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/mazedesignTo get notified when new episodes come out, subscribe at maze.co/podcast. See you next time!

Nov 24, 2022 • 38min
Starting and growing a design research practice with Gabriel Valdivia | Patreon
The Optimal Path is a podcast about product decision-making from the team at Maze. Each episode brings in a product expert and looks at the stories, ideas, and frameworks they use to achieve better product decision-making—and how you can do the same.You can connect with Gabriel on Twitter (@gabrielvaldivia) or check out his website.Resources mentioned:The Browser CompanyTeam Human by Douglas RushkoffHow to Do Nothing by Jenny OdellFollow Maze on social media:Twitter: @mazedesignHQInstagram: @mazedesignHQLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/mazedesignTo get notified when new episodes come out, subscribe at maze.co/podcast. See you next time!

Nov 10, 2022 • 39min
How to collaborate effectively as an async product team with Aiswarya Kolisetty | Alan
The Optimal Path is a podcast about product decision-making from the team at Maze. Each episode brings in a product expert and looks at the stories, ideas, and frameworks they use to achieve better product decision-making—and how you can do the same.You can connect with Aiswarya on LinkedIn or check out her newsletter. Resources mentioned:The Power of Now by Eckhart TolleAlan Design: Behind the screens by Aiswarya KolisettyFollow Maze on social media:Twitter: @mazedesignHQInstagram: @mazedesignHQLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/mazedesignTo get notified when new episodes come out, subscribe at maze.co/podcast. See you next time!

Oct 27, 2022 • 25min
Building teams and cultures for products to thrive with Jasmine Friedl | Dropbox
The Optimal Path is a podcast about product decision-making from the team at Maze. Each episode brings in a product expert and looks at the stories, ideas, and frameworks they use to achieve better product decision-making—and how you can do the same.You can connect with Jasmine on Twitter (@jazzy33ca) or check out her website.Resources mentioned:Atomic Habits by James ClearWhy We Sleep by Matthew WalkerUndoing the Toxic Dogmatism of Digital Design by Lisa AngelaJust Work by Kim ScottRadical Candor by Kim ScottFollow Maze on social media:Twitter: @mazedesignHQInstagram: @mazedesignHQLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/mazedesignTo get notified when new episodes come out, subscribe at maze.co/podcast. See you next time!

Oct 13, 2022 • 25min
Unlocking the power of facilitation with Julian Della Mattia | Kiwi.com
The Optimal Path is a podcast about product decision-making from the team at Maze. Each episode brings in a product expert and looks at the stories, ideas, and frameworks they use to achieve better product decision-making—and how you can do the same.You can connect with Julian on LinkedIn. And if you'd like to discuss the episode with other listeners, socialize with guests, and find extended host notes with further resources—check out the Host Posts space inside the Maze Community.Resources mentioned:Lightning Decision Jam by AJ&SmartGamestorming: Faciliator resourcesFacilitator’s Guide by IDEOCrazy 8’s: Core Design Sprint methodGamestorming: A Playbook for Innovators, Rule-breakers, and Changemakers by Dave GrayJust Enough Research by Erika HallThink Like a UX Researcher by David TravisFollow Maze on social media:Twitter: @mazedesignHQInstagram: @mazedesignHQLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/mazedesignTo get notified when new episodes come out, subscribe at maze.co/podcast. See you next time!
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