

The Next Move
John Paton - @johngetstrong
Endurance, strength, and long-term health in all its forms. The Next Move features conversations with athletes, coaches, scientists, and thinkers exploring how to train, think, and live better.
By John Paton - @johngetstrong johngetstrong.substack.com
By John Paton - @johngetstrong johngetstrong.substack.com
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Nov 10, 2025 • 47min
“Elite Athletes Are Tired All The Time” — Dr. John Hellemans On Why Chasing Peak Performance Drains You, And Why Exercising For Health Fills You With Energy (#12)
Dr. John Hellemans is a New Zealand-based sports medicine doctor, elite triathlon coach, and former champion triathlete. A six-time national titleholder and eight-time Masters World Champion, he also coached Olympians and founded the NZ Triathlon Academy. Known for blending medical insight with intuitive coaching, he completed the Kona Ironman at 60 and was awarded the MNZM in 2020 for services to triathlon.In this episode, Dr. Hellemans recounts the evolution of triathlon training — from the pre-heart-rate-monitor era to today’s data-driven science. He shares how heart rate zones, training by feel, and the psychology of fatigue shape not just athletic performance but lifelong health.Episode breakdown:00:00 – Introduction00:21 – Meeting Gordo Byrn03:29 – Can Late Starters Reach Their Potential?04:50 – Sports Science and Coaching Philosophy06:06 – Early Days of Triathlon and Sports Science08:50 – Finnish Influence and Heart Rate Zones11:32 – Understanding Heart Rate Zones13:43 – Training by Feel (RPE)15:39 – Medicine and Coaching Crossover17:48 – The Addictive Nature of Exercise20:22 – Understanding Fatigue24:16 – Heart Health and Arrhythmias in Endurance Athletes26:06 – Discovering Atrial Fibrillation28:58 – Training and Racing After Heart Procedures31:51 – Exercise for Health, Not Performance33:29 – What Medicine Can Learn from Coaching36:35 – Preventative Medicine and Lifestyle38:14 – Exercise as Preventative Medicine40:33 – Testing and Measuring Endurance Fitness42:45 – Running Assessments and Injury Prevention44:21 – Writing and Character – A New Project46:36 – The Meaning of Character and Suffering46:58 – Closing Remarks This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit johngetstrong.substack.com

Oct 31, 2025 • 50min
“What Happens When You Track Everything?” — Rob ter Horst on Data, Health, and the Future of Self-Tracking (#11)
Rob ter Horst is a postdoctoral researcher in bioinformatics and the creator behind The Quantified Scientist YouTube channel, where he rigorously tests and reviews health and fitness tracking devices.Rob shares how his curiosity for data led him from wearing a simple Fitbit to conducting one of the most extensive self-tracking experiments ever — including over 250 weekly brain MRIs since 2018. We explore his journey into quantifying nearly every aspect of his biology, his insights into the accuracy of popular wearables, the limits of health tracking, and his vision for the future of personalized data and AI-driven health.Episode breakdown:00:00 – Introduction to Rob ter Horst — postdoctoral researcher, bioinformatician, and creator of The Quantified Scientist YouTube channel.01:00 – How Rob’s self-tracking journey began with a Fitbit and evolved into weekly brain MRIs.03:00 – The world’s most comprehensive personal brain dataset: 250+ MRI scans since 2018.05:30 – Tracking every aspect of daily life — from mood and microbiome to sleep and cognition.07:20 – The dream of real-time, actionable feedback from health data (and why we’re not there yet).08:50 – Rob’s fitness and nutrition goals — weight gain, strength, and balancing cardio with muscle mass.10:30 – Testing VO₂ max at home and in the lab: insights from metabolic analysis.12:00 – How hundreds of wearables compare: Apple, Garmin, Oura, Whoop, and 8 Sleep.15:00 – Health-focused vs. sport-focused vs. smartwatch-first devices — what’s best for you.17:20 – Continuous glucose monitoring (CGM): usefulness for non-diabetics and the limits of the data.19:40 – What to measure when your goal is long-term healthspan.21:00 – How tracking changed Rob’s behavior — especially his sleep.24:00 – Data-driven fitness: how metrics like heart rate and wattage keep him accountable.26:30 – Sleep tracking insights: the impact of late meals, workouts, and heart rate variability.30:00 – Why actionable health algorithms are still far away — and the problem with incomplete data.31:50 – Rob’s thoughts on AI and the future of health data analysis.34:00 – Inside his data storage and analysis workflow — from wearables to MRIs.39:30 – What metrics Rob wishes existed: non-invasive glucose and at-home molecular testing.41:30 – Inspirations in quantified health — from Peter Attia to Dr. Mike.43:40 – The fundamentals that matter most: sleep, exercise, and nutrition.45:30 – Balancing research, YouTube, and the science of self-tracking.47:00 – Future goals: building a data interpretation platform and expanding testing diversity.48:30 – What Rob’s most curious about now — Apple’s rumored non-invasive glucose tracking.49:30 – Closing thoughts and takeaways. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit johngetstrong.substack.com

Oct 23, 2025 • 48min
Iñaki de la Parra: "Zone 2 Training Burned Me Out... Here's How I Train Now" (#10)
Iñaki de la Parra, an Ultraman champion and elite endurance athlete, dives into his transformative approach to training. He discusses transitioning from a burnout-prone, high-intensity style to a sustainable low-intensity regimen that enhances long-term performance. Iñaki emphasizes the importance of daily movement, balancing life as a coach and entrepreneur, and redefining success through daily wins. He also shares insights on the signs of overtraining and practical strategies for monitoring energy and performance, advocating for a holistic view of athleticism that prioritizes enjoyment and human connection.

Oct 15, 2025 • 60min
“No One’s Figured Hyrox Out Yet” — Elite 15 Athlete Rich Ryan on Decoding Threshold Training, Sled Power, and Longevity in the Sport(#9)
Rich Ryan, an elite Hyrox athlete and training content creator, dives into the secrets of mastering sled techniques, discussing his record performances and the significance of threshold training. He shares insights on how different athletic backgrounds impact Hyrox success and his strategies for training into his late 30s. Rich elaborates on managing recovery, avoiding overtraining, and optimizing workouts for longevity. Plus, learn why he’s amped up his YouTube presence to share valuable training insights with a wider audience.

Jul 14, 2025 • 57min
Is HYROX a Healthy Way to Train? – Dr. Dan Plews (#8)
Dr. Dan Plews is a world-class coach, scientist, and athlete.In this episode, Dan breaks down his transition from triathlon to Hyrox, how he balances strength and endurance in training, and why most athletes get intensity wrong.We talk about:* Why Hyrox is the perfect mix of endurance and strength* Common training mistakes and how to avoid them* Dan’s weekly structure: double thresholds, strength, and compromise runs* Recovery capacity: what really drives it* Nutrition and hydration: what matters, what doesn’t* Specificity and strength endurance for hybrid sports* The future of Hyrox: can anyone go sub-50?👇Connect with Danhttps://www.instagram.com/theplews/https://www.endurox.co/Episode breakdown:00:00 – Intro: Meet Dr. Dan Plews, coach, scientist, and athlete01:16 – From Ironman to Hyrox: Why Dan made the switch02:34 – Balancing endurance & strength for health and performance04:21 – Is Hyrox more “endurance” or “strength”?06:05 – Why Hyrox training is still in its infancy08:17 – Lessons from working with Elite 15 athlete Pelayo Mendez11:31 – Recovery capacity: genetics, training age, and mindset14:21 – Dan’s weekly structure for Hyrox training17:07 – Double threshold days: why and how they work20:06 – Strength endurance vs max strength: what matters most22:53 – Why most Hyrox athletes train too hard26:25 – Specificity: compromise running and stations30:26 – Tracking progress: what Dan measures (and what he ignores)34:35 – Building Endurox: a new hybrid training platform38:03 – Nutrition for hybrid athletes: protein, carbs, hydration44:21 – Pre-race fueling and in-race nutrition: does it matter?47:26 – Can Hyrox ever go Olympic?50:34 – The future of the sport: sub-50 pro times and growth52:52 – Dan’s curiosity: ultra-high carb fueling & strength endurance55:07 – Wrap up: Key takeaways for hybrid athletes This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit johngetstrong.substack.com

Jul 7, 2025 • 1h 10min
The Norwegian Method, Recovery & The Health-Performance Tradeoff – Dr. David Lipman (#7)
The Norwegian Method Demystified – Dr. David Lipman Joins the Show!Dr. David Lipman has one of the most fascinating careers at the intersection of health, fitness, and technology. A medical doctor, endurance athlete, and coach, David also hosts The Norwegian Method podcast, where he’s had rare behind-the-scenes access to the Norwegian triathlon team that’s been redefining the sport in recent years.In this episode, we go deep on the training philosophies and human-centered approach that have made Norwegian athletes like Kristian Blummenfelt and Gustav Iden so dominant. But we don’t stop there—this conversation quickly branches out into big-picture questions about performance, health, and behavior change.We talk about:* What actually defines “The Norwegian Method” (and why most people get it wrong)* How the Norwegians use testing to gain buy-in and drive results* Lactate tracking: misunderstood fad or powerful tool?* Continuous monitors (lactate, glucose, ketones): the future or a distraction?* Why training adaptation—not training load—matters most* The tradeoff between health and performance (and how to find your balance)* Why most tracking is pointless without action* David’s advice for young coaches and health professionals* The big unsolved problem in health: behavior changeWe also dive into David’s personal tracking philosophy, his take on the future of health and AI, and why curiosity has been his guiding principle across medicine, coaching, and tech.Whether you’re a coach, athlete, or just fascinated by cutting-edge thinking in health and fitness, you’re going to love this one.👇Connect with David:https://www.drdavidjlipman.com/Newsletter: “Nexus Health & Performance”Podcast: 1 % Better - Hidden Stories in SportInstagram: @drdavidlipmanEpisode breakdown:00:00 – Intro: Meet Dr. David Lipman, expert on health, fitness & the Norwegian Method01:16 – The Norwegian Method: What defines it and why it works04:05 – Training volume: How much work Norwegian triathletes really do05:21 – Are today’s athletes doing more than ever before?07:07 – The role of testing: Precision, buy-in, and performance08:44 – Lactate tracking: Overrated or essential for endurance?11:06 – Continuous lactate monitors: Game changer or gimmick?14:47 – Measuring adaptation: Simple ways to track progress19:39 – Tracking too much? Why data without action is useless22:36 – Healthcare parallels: Data collection and minimal intervention26:40 – What David tracks personally (and what he ignores)31:31 – The future of health: Will advice change in 30 years?35:22 – Coaching impact: Helping people for life, not just sport39:19 – Advice for young professionals in health & fitness43:18 – The big problem to solve: Changing human behavior47:33 – Continuous ketone monitors: How they work & challenges50:21 – Generalist vs specialist: The tradeoffs in health and sport52:33 – Health vs performance: Finding your balance55:00 – Why curiosity drives progress in health and fitness58:11 – Lessons from crossing health, tech, and coaching worlds1:01:22 – Wrap up: David’s personal mission and key takeaways This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit johngetstrong.substack.com

Jun 30, 2025 • 50min
“I Wasn’t Even at Max Effort” – How Tim Wenisch Won the 2025 Hyrox World Championship (#6)
The 2025 Hyrox World Champion – Tim Wenisch – Joins the Show!Tim and I sit down for an in-depth look at his incredible World Championship win and the years of training that led up to it. We dive right into the race strategy that helped him dominate the field with a blistering 29:06 total run time—50 seconds faster than anyone else!We talk about:* His "go hard early" strategy and what it was like running at 3:10/km pace* Passing Hunter mid-race and the mental edge that gave him* Why he wasn’t even at max effort by the finish line* His high-low training system and how he balances intensity with recovery* Specific workouts like 10x1K at threshold and EMOM strength circuits* How he's been training like a hybrid athlete since childhood* What most athletes are doing wrong in their Hyrox prep* And why he believes a sub-53—and eventually sub-50—Hyrox is possibleWe also cover his thoughts on the sport's explosive growth, how he stays motivated, and what he's most excited to explore in training next.👇Episode breakdown:00:00 – Intro: Meet Tim Wenisch, 2025 Hyrox World Champion00:38 – Race strategy: Why Tim went out hard from the start01:39 – Dealing with the fast pace early on02:57 – Dominating the run: 50 seconds faster than anyone else04:25 – How Tim trained for elite performance on the SkiErg & Row05:51 – Passing Hunter mid-race: A confidence-boosting moment06:53 – When Tim knew he could win the race08:24 – RPE talk: Tim says he never hit a 10 during the race09:53 – Motivation after the win & looking ahead to next season10:52 – Can the Hyrox world record be broken? (Sub-53 and sub-50?)12:21 – The perfect 10-week prep block before World Championships14:39 – What a typical high/low training week looks like (20 hrs/week)16:36 – Sample threshold session: 10 x 1K at 3:18–3:20 pace18:29 – Training structure: When Tim lifts vs. when he runs20:15 – Matching race pace in training without carbon shoes21:33 – Progress over the years despite past injuries22:58 – Strength training: Back squats, explosive work & tendon care25:36 – Current back squat numbers & training at 78kg body weight26:37 – Why Tim doesn’t track explosive work with data28:02 – The challenge & fun of hybrid training28:54 – Why Tim excels at Hyrox (lifetime of hybrid training)31:15 – Common mistakes in Hyrox training: volume, intensity, recovery34:28 – Nutrition & fueling: ~3,500 calories, no snacking35:32 – Sleep & recovery: 7–8 hours plus naps36:08 – Tim’s first Hyrox race in 2018: 1:19:4039:03 – Cutting 12 minutes off his time in under a year40:23 – Station efficiency & lowering heart rate under load42:39 – Elite performance requires multi-year consistency43:49 – Does Tim have a coach? (And why he's still self-coached)45:10 – How much Tim enjoys training right now46:15 – Watching the explosive rise of Hyrox from 1K to 500K athletes47:50 – Is Tim a full-time pro athlete?49:21 – Final thoughts: Hard work pays off50:12 – Where to follow Tim & learn more about his training This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit johngetstrong.substack.com

Jun 26, 2025 • 52min
Elite HYROX Athlete James Kelly: “My Ego Got in the Way” — What Went Wrong at Worlds and the Mindset That Will Help Him Bounce Back Stronger(#5)
Elite HYROX athlete James Kelly joins the show just two weeks after the HYROX World Championships to unpack what really happened on race day. We explore the highs and lows of his season, including his race-day strategy breakdown, the lessons learned from going out too hot, and the mental and physical rebuild that followed a challenging mid-season. James shares key insights from his training with coach Anthony Peressini, how he’s mastered the Wall Ball, and why building a strong support team has been pivotal to his growth. This is a deep dive into the mindset, methods, and resilience of a top-tier athlete.👇Episode breakdown:00:00 – Intro & James Kelly’s season overview01:00 – Was James the favorite to win Worlds?02:30 – Race day strategy and where it went wrong06:00 – Going out too hot: ego, excitement, and consequences10:30 – The sled push/pull challenge and falling behind13:00 – Mental fallout during the race & regaining composure15:00 – Climbing from 13th to 4th place: a gritty comeback16:45 – Training breakthroughs: building volume, not speed19:30 – Threshold vs VO2 max: the science behind the progress22:45 – Wall Ball breakthrough: from weakness to weapon26:20 – How James hit a 3:20 Wall Ball28:45 – Overcoming an 8-week training slump32:30 – Recovery, HRV, and how to listen to your body35:30 – Off-season mindset: “There is no off-season”38:00 – Training hours & intensity management40:15 – Marathon training: chasing a sub-2:3043:00 – Support system: coaching, family, and partner Georgie48:45 – Mentality: joy, hunger, and living the dream50:00 – What James is most curious about now51:30 – Wrap-up and where to find more from James This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit johngetstrong.substack.com

Jun 20, 2025 • 45min
How Elite Hyrox Athletes Really Train - Anthony Peressini (#4)
In this episode I sit down with Anthony Peressini—engineer, elite HYROX coach, and co-host of the Hybrid Coaching Podcast. Anthony currently coaches more elite HYROX athletes than anyone else in the world, including multiple world championship qualifiers. In this conversation, we dive deep into what it takes to be world-class in HYROX: the blend of strength and endurance, the evolution of performance standards, and how athletes like James Kelly are pushing the limits.👇Episode breakdown:00:00 Intro 00:42 Is Hyrox More Endurance or Strength? 2:33 How Fast Can Hyrox Athletes Get? 4:37 Is There a Best Way to Train for Hyrox 5:07 How Anthony Has Coaches James Kelly 8:51 How Have They Worked Through Plateaus 10:50 How to Structure Hyrox Training 13:30 Threshold Training for Hyrox 25:10 How Many Hours Do Elite Hyrox Athletes Spend Training 27:17 Comparison to Triathlon 28:30 Example Training Day 31:20 Zone 2 Training 32:25 Powerlifting 33:18 Cycling for Hyrox 34:20 Vo2 Max Intervals 35:15 JK’s Favorite Workout 37:50 Nutrition for Hyrox 40:30 The Frontier of Hyrox Training This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit johngetstrong.substack.com

Jun 12, 2025 • 1h 14min
Endurance Icon Gordo Byrn: Going All-In On Training, Avoiding Burnout, How To Build a Coaching Business, 30 Years of Writing, And Much More... (#3)
Gordo Byrn, a former Ultraman World Champion and endurance training expert, shares his journey from finance to fitness. He discusses the importance of pursuing fitness for health rather than as a competition. Gordo emphasizes avoiding training compulsions and the significance of recovery and mental health. He reflects on his experiences running over 100 training camps, building a coaching business, and the role of community in endurance sports. Additionally, he offers insights on maintaining focus in a distracting digital age and living authentically for personal growth.


