
Church and Main
Church and Main is a podcast at the intersection of faith and modern life. Join Pastor Dennis Sanders as he shares the stories of faith interacting with the ever-changing world of the 21st century.
Latest episodes

Sep 3, 2024 • 59min
Ministry Along the Border with Joe Tognetti | Episode 197
Joe Tognetti, a United Methodist pastor in McAllen, Texas, returns to the podcast and shares insights on the immigration experience at the U.S.-Mexico border. He dispels common misconceptions about the region and migrant caravans, emphasizing the role of local churches and humanitarian organizations in providing essential support to migrants.
Suggested Reading and Listening:
Rio Texas Conference UMC list of ministries:
Catholic Charities RGV:
Rio Valley Church of the Nazarene:
St Mark UMC McAllen:
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Aug 15, 2024 • 40min
Does God Care About the Working Class? | Episode 196
This episode takes a hard look at J.D. Vance's surprising political evolution—from a vocal Trump critic to an ardent supporter—and the broader implications for our political landscape. We don’t hold back in critiquing the mainline Protestant and evangelical churches for their failure to adequately support the working class, arguing that this neglect has contributed to the rise of divisive figures like Trump. Our discussion underscores the urgent need for compassionate, effective solutions to the economic dislocation caused by the loss of manufacturing jobs. The conversation reveals how mainline churches often overlook economically distressed communities, focusing instead on middle-class congregants with higher education.
Required Reading:
Why I Still Like J.D. Vance (2016 Version) by Dennis Sanders
Learning to Love “Bubba” by Dennis Sanders
Why the Left Gets J.D. Vance Wrong by Zaid Jilani
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In Defense of J.D. Vance’s “Hillbilly Elegy” by Michael Mohr

Aug 2, 2024 • 30min
Christian Nationalism or Christian Conservatism with Mark Tooley | Episode 195
Mark Tooley, a prominent commentator on Christian ideologies, dives into the contrasting realms of Christian nationalism and traditional conservatism. He clarifies why these terms are frequently confused in the media and explores the societal impact of such misconceptions. Tooley discusses the allure of Christian nationalism for young men amid societal challenges and advocates for constructive dialogue rooted in American values. He emphasizes a hopeful outlook based on classical liberalism, promoting democracy and gratitude as essential parts of the Christian legacy.

Jul 24, 2024 • 59min
Beyond the Purple Church with Jack Haberer | Episode 194
Jack Haberer returns to talk about his latest book, "Swimming with the Sharks: Leading the Full Spectrum Church in a Red and Blue World." Using encounters with sharks as a metaphor, we explore the divisive forces in society and the importance of empathy in bridging divides. Jack challenges binary thinking, encourages partnership over proselytizing, and emphasizes biblical teachings on love and compassion.
Suggested Reading and Listening:
Swimming with the Sharks book
Related Episodes:
Voting as a Moral Act with Bryan McGraw | Episode 176
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Jul 22, 2024 • 1h 4min
Biden's Exit and Aging Gracefully with Loren Richmond Jr. | Episode 193
In this episode, Loren Richmond Jr. and I discuss President Biden's surprising exit from the 2024 race and his endorsement of Vice President Kamala Harris. We then touch on navigating cognitive decline in loved ones and highlight the significance of supportive relationships in guiding individuals through transitions and tough decisions. Emphasizing the role of faith communities in addressing societal challenges, we promote empathy and understanding in navigating transitions gracefully.
Suggested Reading and Listening:
Future Christian website
My husband was slowing down. He needed protecting. by Sally Quinn
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Jul 19, 2024 • 1h 3min
A Debate, An Assasination Attempt and Political Conventions with Robert Cornwall | Episode 192
Retired pastor Robert Cornwall discusses recent political events, emphasizing the importance of Christians responding to polarization and violence by seeing each other as children of God and fostering unity. The conversation explores the motives behind the assassination attempt on Trump, highlighting concerns about increasing polarization and violence in politics. Cornwall stresses the need for faith over political allegiances and courage in maintaining relationships across divides. The discussion touches on Christian nationalism, patriotism, and the complexities of balancing political participation with religious convictions in the current political landscape. Cornwall reflects on the upcoming general election and encourages trusting in God's presence, unity, and bridge-building during times of division.
Suggested Reading and Listening:
Robert Cornwall’s website
Donald Trump and the Vibes of Destiny by Dennis Sanders
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Jul 16, 2024 • 1h 2min
(Prayer) Walking In Memphis with Geoff Mitchell | Episode 191
What happens when you replace human-driven church growth strategies with a prayer-centered approach? In this enlightening episode, we sit down with Jeff, who recently completed his doctoral dissertation on the role of prayer in evangelism, to explore just that. Pastor Geoff Mitchell opens up about his personal prayer journey, especially amid the challenges posed by the COVID-19 pandemic. His experiences of prayer walking through Midtown Memphis and the resulting transformation in his spiritual life underscore a powerful message: true church growth relies on divine activity more than human effort.
Suggested Reading and Listening:
Is There Hope for Liberal Christianity with Geoff Mitchell | Episode 37
The Future of the Disciples of Christ with Geoff Mitchell | Episode 105
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Jul 8, 2024 • 47min
The End of the Religious "Big Tent" with Ted Smith | Episode 190
In this episode, theologian Ted Smith explores the transformation of denominations in the United States, moving from broad structures to more specialized affinity groups. The shift is driven by societal changes, leading to more homogeneous and smaller denominations. Smith highlights advantages like reduced conflict, clearer paths to ordination, and lower institutional overhead. Despite benefits, challenges include the loss of diverse viewpoints and potential alignment with political movements. The discussion also addresses the evolution of theological education in response to current trends and the evolving landscape for seminaries.
Suggested Reading and Listening:
The Aftermath of the United Methodist General Conference with Drew McIntyre | Episode 187
Inclusion, Pluralism and the Presbyterian Church (USA) with Jack Haberer | Episode 188
Predictions About the Future of the Christian Church with Ryan Burge (Russell Moore Show)
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Jul 2, 2024 • 20min
Debate Fallout and Politics as Salvation | Episode 189
In this solo episode, Dennis looks at the first Presidential debate and the tendency in American politics to see our presidential candidates as saviors.
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Jun 24, 2024 • 59min
Inclusion, Pluralism and the Presbyterian Church (USA) with Jack Haberer | Episode 188
The 226th General Assembly of the Presbyterian Church (USA) is set to meet soon in Salt Lake City. One of the many issues to be discussed is a proposal called the "Olympia Overture," which would formally prohibit discrimination against LGBTQ Presbyterians, but could according to some make it hard for those with different theological interpretations to remain in the denomination. In this episode, I talked with retired PC(USA) pastor and former editor of Presbyterian Outlook Jack Haberer about the proposal and what it would mean for the denomination.
Suggested Reading:
Embracing Diversity Without Exclusion (article by Jack Haberer)
Articles for and against the Olympia Overture
A Statement in Support of the Olympia Overture from Past Moderators and Vice Moderators
The Aftermath of the United Methodist General Conference with Drew McIntyre | Episode 187
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