21 Hats Podcast

This week, in episode 219, special guest Travis LeFever shares the unusual journey he and his co-founder wife, Amanda, have taken to build Mission Mobile Medical, which makes mobile health clinics in Greensboro, NC. That journey started with Travis partnering in a construction business by taking out 39 credit cards to borrow $250,000. The business did well, and he eventually bought out his partner, but when Travis’ father died unexpectedly, he was moved to sell the construction business and look for something more meaningful to do with his life. That extended search led him, somewhat improbably, to overseeing sales for a company that manufactured specialty vehicles, including the Oscar Mayer Wienermobile. It was there that Travis had another life-changing experience when a nurse with a federal grant asked if he could build a mobile clinic to reach patients in underserved communities. That was the spark that led Travis and Amanda to cash in their insurance policies and start Mission Mobile Medical in 2020. The company, whose remanufacturing process allows it to create clinics in less time and for less money than its competitors, expects to hit $60 million in revenue this year.

This week, Shawn Busse talks about something that everyone kind of knows but too few businesses emphasize: remarkable things can happen when businesses improve their workplace culture and let the world know about it. Shawn shares his approach to building a brand as an employer and explains why the payoff can easily be hundreds of thousands of dollars.

This week, in episode 218, special guest Rich Jordan tells Shawn Busse and Jay Goltz what it was like buying a small plumbing business in 2020 despite having very little experience with either plumbing or business—but having spent 10 years in the Marine Corps. “When I reflected on my time in service and what I did well and what I enjoyed,” Rich tells us, “it was when I was on a small team with high stakes, far forward, far from the flagpole, responsible for making decisions and sustaining ourselves and figuring things out. So when I thought about that—small team, high stakes, self-sustained—small business kind of fit that bill.” Not surprisingly, it took Rich some time to figure out what he was doing with the plumbing business, but in just four years, through organic growth and a few acquisitions—while taking no outside capital—he’s gone from three plumbers and $1 million in annual revenue to about 90 employees and $20 million in revenue. Which is why, Rich tells Jay and Shawn, he keeps moving the goalposts, reassessing just how big he wants the business to be.

This week, Shawn Busse walks us through his LinkedIn strategy: how often he writes, what he writes about, what he posts on his own page, what he posts on the company page, and how he promotes his business without promoting his business. Most importantly, Shawn explains why he believes his posting helps Kinesis attract both employees and clients.

This week, in episode 217, Laura Zander tells Shawn Busse and Jay Goltz about her approach to buying businesses. Laura says she simply recognizes that for a period of time, life will be miserable for her and for her team. That’s what happened almost a year ago when she bought two businesses that were a challenge to integrate. And now, just as things have calmed down a bit, she expects it to happen again as she eyes another acquisition. It’s also what she expects to happen as she and her husband Doug proceed with their ongoing migration to Shopify. “Our sales are going to go down,” says Laura. “SEO is going to be rough. My biggest concern, honestly, is Doug's mental health. This whole process has been so stressful for him.” Shawn, Jay, and Laura also discuss how they feel about the possibility that the 20-percent Qualified Business Income deduction could go away next year, when it’s set to expire. You might be surprised by their answers.

With the election only two weeks away, John Arensmeyer, founder and CEO of Small Business Majority, talks through what’s at stake for small businesses, including what the campaigns are saying about taxes, regulation, immigration, tariffs, and manufacturing. Plus: Given the likelihood that, regardless of who wins the White House, a closely divided federal government is likely to be with us for some time, Arensmeyer also explains what small businesses can hope for at the state and local levels.

This week, in episode 216, Shawn Busse and Jay Goltz talk about the trendy job interview strategy of trying to get beyond canned responses by asking candidates unexpected questions along the lines of, “If you were a superhero, what powers would you have and why?” Or, “What animal best represents you as a person?” Not surprisingly, Jay isn’t a big fan of those questions, and he offers an alternative strategy that features four questions of his own design. Shawn does like to ask unexpected questions, but specifically those that help him figure out whether a candidate is likely to work well with others. Plus: Shawn talks about what it was like attending the recent going-out-of-business sale of a company he had declined to take on as a client three separate times. Also, Shawn and Jay respond to a Reddit post, where a business owner asks what he can do about a large commercial client who simply refuses to pay a $40,000 bill. “Did I just learn a $40,000 lesson?” the devastated owner asks. “What now?”

This week, Gene Marks talks about the lessons business owners should take from the devastating hurricanes of recent weeks. Gene is confident that the communities will build back better than ever, but of course, not all of the businesses will make it. We’ve been reminded that disaster can strike anywhere. What should business owners do to prepare?

This week, in episode 215, Mel Gravely, Jennifer Kehrin, and Liz Picarazzi start out talking about the pain of being fired by a long-time client. “It still stings,” says Jennifer, who nonetheless surprised her team by writing a note of congratulations to the CEO of the company that took the business. The conversation moves on to the tradeoff that comes with deciding between promoting managers from within or hiring them from outside the organization: What if your people aren’t ready? What if the outsiders have more experience but aren’t as good a fit? And that leads to a discussion of how to decide when to press on with a venture that’s struggling—and when to give up on it. Not surprisingly, all three owners have some experience in this area. Of course, they also have experience with deciding when to start a business, but they have very different attitudes about risk. While Mel says he’s pretty much always ready to go, Jennifer tells us she’s been noodling on an idea she really wants to pursue for about five years.

This week, Victor Hwang talks about the remarkable road trip he recently completed in which he got a fresh perspective on the state of entrepreneurship across America. At a time when many of us are consumed with the election and politics and all of the things that divide us, Hwang, who is founder and CEO of Right to Start, a non-partisan advocacy group, met with entrepreneurs in cities and towns from Southern California, across the northern part of the country and down to Washington, D.C., and found a whole bunch of people who are working together to build things. It’s a refreshing perspective.