21 Hats Podcast

This week, Gene Marks talks about the lessons business owners should take from the devastating hurricanes of recent weeks. Gene is confident that the communities will build back better than ever, but of course, not all of the businesses will make it. We’ve been reminded that disaster can strike anywhere. What should business owners do to prepare?

This week, in episode 215, Mel Gravely, Jennifer Kehrin, and Liz Picarazzi start out talking about the pain of being fired by a long-time client. “It still stings,” says Jennifer, who nonetheless surprised her team by writing a note of congratulations to the CEO of the company that took the business. The conversation moves on to the tradeoff that comes with deciding between promoting managers from within or hiring them from outside the organization: What if your people aren’t ready? What if the outsiders have more experience but aren’t as good a fit? And that leads to a discussion of how to decide when to press on with a venture that’s struggling—and when to give up on it. Not surprisingly, all three owners have some experience in this area. Of course, they also have experience with deciding when to start a business, but they have very different attitudes about risk. While Mel says he’s pretty much always ready to go, Jennifer tells us she’s been noodling on an idea she really wants to pursue for about five years.

This week, Victor Hwang talks about the remarkable road trip he recently completed in which he got a fresh perspective on the state of entrepreneurship across America. At a time when many of us are consumed with the election and politics and all of the things that divide us, Hwang, who is founder and CEO of Right to Start, a non-partisan advocacy group, met with entrepreneurs in cities and towns from Southern California, across the northern part of the country and down to Washington, D.C., and found a whole bunch of people who are working together to build things. It’s a refreshing perspective.

This week, in episode 214, we bring you another Entrepreneurial Fish Bowl with Chris Hutchinson of Trebuchet Group. As you may remember, this is a virtual exercise where we offer a business owner—or in this case a potential business owner—the opportunity to pose a challenge he or she is facing to a group of owners and entrepreneurs from the 21 Hats community as part of a brainstorming session. In this case, it was BaLeigh Waldrop who explained why she has mixed feelings about buying the Miller Waldrop furniture business that her parents own. As you’ll hear, BaLeigh has some real concerns: the business has been down of late, it’s predominantly brick-and-mortar, and she would have to work out an ownership structure with a younger brother. The 21 Hats brainstormers ask a lot of good questions, including whether the business is profitable, whether it’s been paying family members a market wage, and whether it owns the real estate. They also offer a lot of smart suggestions. Plus: it all ends with a very surprising offer from Jay Goltz.

This week, Ami Kassar, founder and CEO of MultiFunding, explains how it’s almost as if these past few years we’ve run a grand experiment to see what would happen if the government gave lots of business owners more money than they knew what to do with. In many cases, the businesses got far bigger Covid loans than they could have hoped to borrow conventionally, and they got them without having to go through the standard application process. In other words, they got the money without having to develop a plan for how they would spend it. “This is not going to end well,” says Ami.

This week, in episode 213, Paul Downs, Jaci Russo, and Sarah Segal talk about how and when they start planning for next year. And here’s one happy challenge they’ve all confronted: What do they do when they don’t have the capacity to handle all of the work that’s coming their way? Do they staff up? If so, what happens if the work subsequently falls off? Do they create a backlog? Do they miss deadlines? Do they raise prices? Plus: Jaci shares an AI tool she’s been using to learn more about the decision makers her agency targets. And the three owners respond to a case study in ADA-compliance litigation taken from a Reddit post: “What are we supposed to do about this?” a business owner who has been sued for having a non-compliant website writes in the post. “I am trying not to overreact, but having my savings and my income taken from me this way is just devastating.” Jaci, whose agency builds websites, says there is a way to protect against those lawsuits.

This week, Rob Levin, says there’s a talent crisis in America, but you wouldn't know it reading most business publications. That’s because the crisis is affecting smaller businesses much more than bigger businesses. Levin, co-founder and chairman of  WorkBetterNow, which provides remote workforce and virtual assistant services to small businesses, says he keeps hearing the same thing from owners who come to him looking for help. They just can’t find good people. Levin offers several pieces of advice that start with creating a culture that people want to be part of and then building your brand as an employer. We also talk about how he’s gotten his whole team hooked on using AI, in part through what he calls show-and-tell days.

This week, in episode 212, Shawn Busse, Paul Downs, and Laura Zander call on their own experiences to assess whether the EOS operating system—as explained in Gino Wickman’s book Traction—lives up to its promise of freeing owners from frustration, helping them put the right people in the right seats, and generating all of the scale they want. Laura hired an implementer to install EOS in her business years ago. Paul took more of a do-it-yourself approach, picking and choosing from the book’s suggestions. And while Shawn hasn’t tried EOS in his own business, he has seen how it works in lots of client businesses. As a result, all three have strong opinions about what types of owners and what types of businesses are likely to do best with EOS. Laura, for example, tells us: “I think it's helpful for people like me 10 years ago, who just don't know what they're doing.”

This week, Shawn explains how a plumbing job went awry -- and more importantly, what it says about the “professionalization” of the blue-collar trades. That professionalization—along with the accompanying private equity dollars and the roll-ups and the MBAs—has certainly brought benefits. But it seems there’s been a price to pay as well.

This week, in episode 211, Jay Goltz and special guests Peter Koehler and Jimmy Kalb discuss the hottest new thing in succession planning. You may recall that earlier this year Peter was a guest on an episode in which he explained how he helped Laura Anderson sell her seafood restaurant to what’s known as an employee ownership trust or a perpetual purpose trust. Both Jay and Jimmy listened to that episode and were intrigued. Both had questions for Peter. So we recorded a conversation in which we discuss what makes a business a good candidate for trust ownership. The issues we address include: Is this only for businesses that have a save-the-world type of purpose? How much does it cost to create an ownership trust? Can owners sell to a trust and still run the business as they wish? And perhaps the biggest question of all: What can go wrong?