

The Chad & Cheese Podcast
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Everything people and workforce—recruiting, marketing, technology, talent management, and workforce economics—delivered with biting sarcasm and unapologetic snark. Industry misfits Chad Sowash and Joel Cheesman bring their no-holds-barred opinions to dissect news, trends, and the occasional dumpster fire. If you’re a hiring company, staffing firm, or vendor looking for insights (and a thick skin), these two won’t just tell you what’s happening—they’ll tell you why you’re probably doing it wrong. Buckle up, buttercup.
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Aug 30, 2024 • 47min
iCIMS & SmartRecruiters CEO Divergence
This week, the boys are doing their best Charles Dickens impressions, but instead of two cities, they're waxing poetic about the tale of two applicant tracking systems: SmartRecruiers and iCIMS. One is making all the right moves, while the other one, well, not-so-much. Then it's on to Amazon, whose new Amazon Q technology is taking the world by storm ... and possibly putting a lot of developers out of work. Yikes!Then it's time for a little Buy-or-Sell, featuring Pangeam, Micro1 and Workpay. More disagreement this time than usual, so hopefully you like fireworks. And if you don't like fireworks, hopefully you like chicken, becauase Chick-fil-A is back in the news. And speaking of chicken, don't even get Chad started on Chicken Cock Whiskey ... you just need to listen.Chapters01:00 - Euro Chad goes deep03:40 - Chicken Cock Whiskey05:18 - Oasis, PeralJam and Xers08:25 - Kelce's New Heights rein in $100m12:00 - Fantasy Football14:15 - CEO Divergence20:01 - iCIMS: Potential Acquisition Strategy and Layoffs21:01 - SmartRecruiters: Industry Knowledge and Global Expansion21:14 - Impact of CEO Changes on Global Growth Strategies21:30 - Comparing iCIMS and SmartRecruiters27:36 - The Impact of Amazon Q34:54 - Recent Funding: Pangem, Micro One, and Workpay43:32 - Chick-fil-A's Misadventure in the Streaming MarketKeywordsSmartRecruiters, iCIMS, CEO changes, acquisitions, layoffs, global growth strategy, iCIMS, SmartRecruiters, HR tech, AI, software development, Amazon Q, Pangem, Micro One, Workpay, Chick-fil-A, streaming platform

Aug 29, 2024 • 8min
Shredded: Workday, SmartRecruiters, Ladders, Tilt, Lightcast, ShiftPixy, Jobilla, Workpay, Pangeam & More
The Shred is a weekly roundup of who’s raised funds, who’s getting acquired and who’s on the move in the world of recruitment. The Shred is brought to you today by Jobcase.

Aug 28, 2024 • 31min
Bullhorn Defense with Matt Fischer
Matt Fischer, President and COO of Bullhorn, joins the Chad and Cheese podcast to discuss the evolution of Bullhorn and the future of the recruiting industry. Fischer shares his background and how he got into the staffing and tech industry. He also talks about the importance of AI in recruiting and how it can optimize the human element of the job. The conversation covers Bullhorn's recent acquisition of Textkernel and the benefits it brings to the company. Fischer also discusses Bullhorn's marketplace and venture investments, as well as the state of the staffing industry.Chapters00:00 - Introduction and Background02:58 - Bullhorn's Evolution and Acquisition of Textkernel08:39 - The Importance of Bullhorn's Marketplace and Venture Investments11:05 - The State of the Staffing Industry16:08 - No Immediate Plans for an IPO: Focus on Private Equity SponsorsKeywordsMatt Fischer, Bullhorn, recruiting industry, AI, Textkernel, marketplace, venture investments, staffing industry

Aug 23, 2024 • 46min
Indeed Tomfuckery
This week, Chad and Cheese discuss various topics including the DNC, immersive technology, Chick-fil-A's elevated drive-through, Shawn Fain's speech on American workers, Alex Cooper's $100 million podcast deal, and upcoming events like RecFest and fantasy football.They also touch on Chris Bakke leaving X Hiring after one year, as well as the decline of Indeed and its questionable strategies, as well as the launch of ZipRecruiter's new podcast. The conversation then shifts to the role of AI in coding and the potential impact on developers. Finally, they touch on the controversial law in Indiana that requires age verification for viewing pornography online.Chapters00:00 - Introduction and Overview01:41 - Real People and Relatable Moments at the DNC06:28 - Immersive Technology10:46 - Shawn Fain Fighs for American Workers13:06 - Alex Cooper's $100 Million Podcast Deal18:22 - Chris Bakke Leaves X Hiring24:28 - Indeed's Tomfuckery30:05 - ZipRecruiter's Launch a Podcast?35:47 - AWS AI in Coding44:18 - Indiana Hates FreedomKeywordsDemocratic National Convention, immersive technology, Chick-fil-A, elevated drive-through, Sean Fain, American workers, Alex Cooper, podcast deal, RecFest, fantasy football, Chris Bocchi, X, recruiting industry, Chris Russell, X hiring, Indeed, ZipRecruiter, AI, coding, pornography, age verification

Aug 22, 2024 • 8min
Shredded: X Hiring, ZipRecruiter, Workday, Harley Davidson, iHire, Amazon, Waymo & More
The Shred is a weekly roundup of who’s raised funds, who’s getting acquired and who’s on the move in the world of recruitment. The Shred is brought to you today by Jobcase.

Aug 21, 2024 • 46min
UK Goes Degree-less, Ukraine Claps Back, and Lazy Belgians
In this snark-filled episode of the Chad and Cheese Podcast, Joel, Chad, and Lieven serve up their usual blend of sharp wit and sharp analysis, dissecting everything from Ukraine's military maneuvers to the UK’s job market makeover. No European stereotype is safe, and no topic is too serious (or ridiculous) for the boys to tackle.
Ukrainian Military Offensive
UK's Move Towards Degree-less Hiring
StepStone's New Ad Campaign:
Buy or Sell with:
Impact Pool, AlgoJob, and ViaCurrent.
The "Lazy" Belgian Lie
This snark-filled synopsis captures the irreverent tone of the podcast while summarizing the key points with a healthy dose of sarcasm.Chapters00:00 - Introduction and Overview01:30 - The Conflict in Ukraine and the Offensive Against Russia11:35 - The Changing Job Market in the UK: Rise of Degree-Less Jobs12:22 -The Importance of Certifications in the Tech Industry15:23 - The Impact of Brexit on Immigration and Hiring20:05 -Skills-Based Hiring and the Shift in Recruitment23:50 -The Value of Blue-Collar Jobs and Skilled Workers25:17 -Buy or Sell: Impact Pool26:45 -Investing in Niche Businesses33:39 -AlgoJob: AI-Driven Interview Tool38:24 -Viacurrent: Early Wage Access App47:11 -Working Hours in EuropeKeywordsUkraine, job market, degree-less jobs, certifications, Brexit, immigration, skills-based hiring, inclusivity, diversity, HR, recruiting, buy or sell, companies, working hours, Europeans, jokes

Aug 19, 2024 • 30min
No Borders Recruiting w/ Jim McCoy
Jim McCoy, CEO of Atlas, joins the Chad and Cheese podcast to discuss the rise of Employee of Record (EOR) platforms and the future of remote work. McCoy explains that EOR platforms help companies employ people in countries where they don't have a legal entity, supporting global mobility and recruitment. He also discusses the convergence of EOR and staffing, the challenges of safeguarding intellectual property in the gig economy, and the normalization of salaries based on cost of living. McCoy believes that the success of companies like Deel in the EOR space is beneficial for the entire industry, and he envisions an ecosystem that supports recruiters and helps them find the best candidates.Chapters00:00 - Introduction and Background of Jim McCoy08:50 - Convergence of EOR and Staffing11:45 - Supporting Recruitment and Hiring Across Borders14:00 - Safeguarding Intellectual Property in the Gig Economy19:54 - Normalization of Salaries Based on Cost of Living25:22 - The Success of Companies like Deal in the EOR Space29:48 - Building an Ecosystem to Support RecruitersKeywordsJim McCoy, CEO, Atlas, Employee of Record, EOR, remote work, staffing, intellectual property, gig economy, salaries, normalization, global mobility, recruitment, ecosystem

Aug 16, 2024 • 45min
Upwork Over Indeed
This week, the boys discuss the Olympics, layoffs at Paramount and Cisco. Plus, they analyze the financial performance and strategies of companies like Indeed, Upwork, ZipRecruiter, and Seek. They also touch on the challenges faced by job boards and the impact of AI on the industry. Additionally, they discuss the potential breakup of Alphabet (Google) due to antitrust concerns and the use of OnlyFans by Olympic athletes to fund their dreams.Chapters00:00 - Introduction and Olympics Recap08:21 - Leadership Decisions at Paramount and Cisco16:15 - Starbucks Goes Off the Deep End18:09 - Earnings Reports: ZipRecruiter, Recruit Holdings, Upwork, and Seek19:16 - Concerns about Layoffs and Adaptation23:12 - The Impact of AI on Jobs24:09 - Challenges Faced by Job Boards27:45 - Sprockets: A Poor Man's Paradox29:11 - The State of the Recruitment Industry37:15 - Google's Potential Breakup and Remote Work43:00 - Olympic Athletes on OnlyFansKeywordsChad and Cheese, podcast, Olympics, layoffs, Paramount, Cisco, earnings reports, ZipRecruiter, Recruit Holdings, Upwork, Seek, recruitment industry, financial performance, strategies, job boards, AI, Indeed, Upwork, ZipRecruiter, Seek, Alphabet, Google, antitrust, OnlyFans, Olympic athletes

Aug 15, 2024 • 7min
Shredded: Indeed, ZipRecruiter, CloudPay, Upwork, Bandana, Sprockets, HourWork, Bardeen & More
The Shred is a weekly roundup of who’s raised funds, who’s getting acquired and who’s on the move in the world of recruitment. The Shred is brought to you today by Jobcase.

Aug 14, 2024 • 32min
EUROPE: AI, Startups, and Investments
In this episode of the Chad and Cheese Podcast Does Europe, Joel and Lieven discuss the Olympics, anti-tourism protests in Europe, and play the ultimate game of Buy or Sell with several European startups. They review and give their opinions on the startups Earlybird, doinstruct, WorkerHero, Moniti and Passionfruit. They also explore the reasons why Europeans have a dislike for tourists.Chapters00:00 - Introduction and Overview01:35 - Discussion on the Olympics06:15 - Conversation on European Sports08:45 - Review of Earlybird Startup13:15 - Review of doinstruct Startup15:46 - Review of WorkerHero Startup20:19 - Review of Passionfruit Startup27:09 - Discussion on Anti-Tourism Protests in Europe30:18 - Reasons for Europeans' Dislike of Tourists31:57 - Conclusion and FarewellKeywordsChad and Cheese Podcast, Europe, Olympics, anti-tourism protests, startups, Earlybird AI, doinstruct, Work Hero, PassionFruit, Moniti, Gojira, Yusuf Dikec,


