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A weekly show of constitutional debate hosted by National Constitution Center President and CEO Jeffrey Rosen where listeners can hear the best arguments on all sides of the constitutional issues at the center of American life.
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Aug 28, 2025 • 1h 14min
The History and Future of Partisan Gerrymandering in America
In this episode, Bradley Smith of Capital University Law School and Nicholas Stephanopoulos of Harvard Law School join to discuss the history and future of partisan gerrymandering, including the mid-decade redistricting battles of the Gilded Age and the ongoing mid-decade redistricting efforts in Texas and California.
Resources
Rucho v. Common Cause (2019)
Reynolds v. Sims (1964)
Nicholas Stephanopoulos, Aligning Election Law (2024)
Nicholas Stephanopoulos & Eric McGhee, “Partisan Gerrymandering and the Efficiency Gap,” Chicago Unbound (2014)
Bradley Smith, Unfree Speech: The Folly of Campaign Finance Reform (2001)
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Aug 21, 2025 • 58min
A Conversation on America’s 250th
In this episode, Sabrina Lynn Motley, director of the Smithsonian Folklife Festival at the Center for Folklife and Cultural Heritage, and Jeffrey Rosen, president and CEO of the National Constitution Center, discuss how their institutions are celebrating America’s 250th birthday. This conversation took place at Chautauqua Institution 2025 Summer Assembly.
Resources
Jeff Rosen, The Pursuit of Liberty: How Hamilton and Jefferson Ignited the Lasting Battle Over Power in America
Chautauqua Institution, Sabrina Lynn Motley and Jeffrey Rosen
National Constitution Center, America’s Town Hall
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Aug 14, 2025 • 1h 5min
Is Section 2 of the Voting Rights Act Unconstitutional?
In this episode, Bradley Smith of Capital University Law School and Nicholas Stephanopoulos of Harvard Law School join to discuss the history and future of racial gerrymandering, including how the Court’s upcoming decision in Louisiana v. Callais could affect the Voting Rights Act.
Resources
Louisiana v. Callais (2025)
Allen v. Milligan (2023)
Shelby County v. Holder (2013)
Nicholas Stephanopoulos, Aligning Election Law (2024)
Bradley Smith, Unfree Speech: The Folly of Campaign Finance Reform (2001)
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Aug 7, 2025 • 1h 1min
The Oldest Constitutional Question
In this episode, Richard Primus of the University of Michigan Law School and John Harrison of the University of Virginia School of Law join to discuss Primus’s new book The Oldest Constitutional Question: Enumeration and Federal Power, which challenges the prevailing understanding of congressional power and argues that Congress is not limited to its textually enumerated powers. Their conversation traces how this fundamental disagreement has shaped key moments in American constitutional history, from the Founding Era to the New Deal, and why the debate remains unsettled today.
Resources
Richard Primus, The Oldest Constitutional Question: Enumeration and Federal Power (2025)
Richard Primus, “’The Essential Characteristic’: Enumerated Powers and the Bank of the United States,” Michigan Law Review (2018)
John Harrison, “Enumerated Federal Power and the Necessary and Proper Clause (reviewingThe Origins of the Necessary and Proper Clause by Gary Lawson, Geoffrey P. Miller, Robert G. Natelson, Guy I. Seidman),” The University of Chicago Law Review (2011)
McCulloch v. Maryland (1819)
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Jul 31, 2025 • 56min
The Past, Present, and Future of Abortion in America
In this episode, Mary Ziegler of the UC Davis School of Law and Stephen Gilles of the Quinnipiac University School of Law join to discuss Ziegler’s new book Personhood: The New Civil War over Reproduction, which explores the history and goals of the anti-abortion movement in the United States.
Resources
Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization (2022)
Mary Ziegler, Personhood: The New Civil War over Reproduction (2025)
Mary Ziegler, Abortion and Law in America: Roe v. Wade to the Present (2020)
Stephen Gilles, “What Does Dobbs Mean for the Constitutional Right to a Life-or-Health-Preserving Abortion,” Mississippi Law Journal (2023)
Stephen Gilles, “Why Fourteenth Amendment Personhood Requires Live Birth,” Notre Dame Journal of Ethics and Public Policy (2025)
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Jul 24, 2025 • 48min
W.E.B. Du Bois and His Impact on America
David Levering Lewis, a Pulitzer Prize-winning historian and authority on W.E.B. Du Bois, discusses the profound influence of Du Bois on American history. He delves into Du Bois's evolving views on race, leadership, and socialism while detailing his role in establishing the NAACP. Lewis also highlights Du Bois's critical writings, such as 'Black Reconstruction in America,' and examines his critiques of capitalism. The conversation emphasizes Du Bois's enduring legacy in social justice, encouraging a deeper engagement with his work and its relevance today.

Jul 17, 2025 • 58min
Can President Trump unilaterally lay off 1,400 Department of Education employees?
Derek Black, a constitutional law professor at the University of South Carolina, and Neal McCluskey, director at the Cato Institute Center for Educational Freedom, dive into the implications of President Trump's proposed layoffs in the Department of Education. They analyze the balance of power between federal and state authorities, the historical evolution of the department, and the potential impacts on student rights. The duo also reflects on the legality of such staff reductions and whether a leaner department could effectively serve its educational mission.

Jul 10, 2025 • 52min
Covering the Supreme Court
Jan Crawford, Supreme Court correspondent for CBS News, alongside Jess Bravin from The Wall Street Journal and Fred Smith Jr., Professor of Law at Stanford, dive into the intricate dynamics of the Supreme Court. They discuss the polarization within the Court and the influence of media on public perception. The conversation sheds light on historical and contemporary clashes between judicial authority and presidential power, the implications of landmark decisions, and the evolving relationship between the Court and media, emphasizing the need for balanced reporting.

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Jul 3, 2025 • 1h
Supreme Court Term Roundup
Steve Vladeck, a law professor and author of The Shadow Docket, teams up with Sarah Isgur, SCOTUSblog editor and legal analyst, to dissect the latest Supreme Court term. They dive into the implications of justices' decisions on executive power and judicial transparency. The pair also highlights recent rulings impacting immigration and birthright citizenship while speculating on the court's future direction. Their insights reveal the powerful dynamics at play within the Court and the ongoing challenges to judicial legitimacy.

Jun 26, 2025 • 1h 7min
Unpacking the Supreme Court’s decision in United States v. Skrmetti
On June 18, the Supreme Court upheld a Tennessee law that prohibits medical transitions for transgender minors. In this episode, William Eskridge Jr. of Yale Law School and Christopher Green of The Ohio State University join to debate the decision and to discuss the meaning of the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment.
Resources
United States v. Skrmetti (2025)
Christopher Green, Brief amicus curiae, United States v. Skrmetti (Oct. 15, 2024)
William Eskridge, et al., Brief amici curiae, United States v. Skrmetti (Sept. 3, 2024)
Geduldig v. Aiello (1974)
Bostock v. Clayton County (2020)
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