The Executive Brand Podcast

Peter Kang runs social at Clay, the GTM Engineering Platform valued at $3.1B. Peter turned LinkedIn into one of Clay’s strongest growth channels, without paid ads, without corporate content, and with a team of one. In 69 weeks, he posted 961 times and grew the Clay company page from ~14K to 120K+ followers.This episode is a deep, tactical breakdown of what actually works on LinkedIn in 2025, and why most B2B advice completely misses the point.What we cover: - Why company pages still matter and what they’re actually good for- How Peter posted 961 times in a year as a team of one (and what broke)- Why video works even when it breaks every rule- Why “taste” is the real moat in modern marketing & how to hire for it- How Clay is activating their founders on LinkedIn and the playbook they’re following- Why LinkedIn runs on ACV, not CPM- How Clay connects social engagement to pipeline- Why optimization advice creates noise, not signal- The authenticity test most content failsConnect with Peter:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/peterhoilkang/Clay: https://www.clay.com/Connect with Finn: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/finnthormeier/Project 33: https://www.project33.io/Chapters:00:00 — Posting 961 times in 69 weeks02:00 — Why company pages still matter04:15 — Founder profiles vs company pages06:00 — Why long-form video works on LinkedIn08:45 — Followers are a vanity metric10:25 — Running social as a team of one13:00 — Clay’s real content portfolio15:00 — How Clay films executive videos18:45 — When to activate founders (and when not to)20:05 — What “taste” actually means23:00 — Hiring creatives with taste26:45 — Why product success drives social success29:00 — Why most LinkedIn copy fails31:00 — LinkedIn vs TikTok vs YouTube35:00 — LinkedIn as scaled ABM36:00 — How to test for authenticity38:30 — Why optimization advice is noise39:00 — Designed-by-committee content40:20 — Clay’s internal prompts and style guides42:00 — Claude vs ChatGPT42:30 — Closing This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.executivebrand.org

Olga Andrienko spent 12 years helping build Semrush from $5M in revenue to IPO. She led social, brand, global marketing, and eventually operations at scale. Now she’s joining a pre-seed startup as CMO to build everything from scratch:- A new product category (AI-driven corporate learning)- A founder brand- An employee advocacy system- A modern AI-powered marketing engineWe discuss:* Why Olga left Semrush after 12 years* Why enterprise marketers feel stuck right now and how AI restrictions slow innovation* What marketers should actually do in a scary job market to stay employable* The #1 skill marketers need in 2025: experimenting with AI + no-code on their own* The departments where AI creates the biggest leverage (hint: not marketing)* How Semrush cut reporting time from 10 hours down to hours using automation* The automated workflows Semrush shipped: SOV tracking, reporting, content QA* The dream content engine Olga couldn’t build and why AI quality still isn’t there* How AI will reshape marketing orgs and which roles will (and won’t) survive* Why social media managers now have more strategic leverage than ever* Why brand pages on LinkedIn are basically dead and how to fix it* How Semrush scaled employee advocacy to 10M+ impressions a year* Employee advocacy vs executive thought leadership: the real difference* The exact system Olga is using to build her founder’s brand at Foxtory* How she scrapes top founders, analyzes formats, and recreates winning post types* The outbound → founder-brand → content loop that drives traction* Why a founder brand is a multi-year compounding asset and not a 3-month projectPerfect For You If* You’re a founder building your personal brand from zero* You lead marketing inside a startup and need leverage fast* You work in enterprise and feel slowed down by approvals, rules & legacy systems* You want to build an employee advocacy program that actually scales* You want to understand how top marketers think about org design & team structure* You want a behind-the-scenes look at how a former Semrush exec builds in publicConnect with Olga:Olga’s Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/olgandrienko/Foxtery: https://www.foxtery.com/Connect with me:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/finnthormeier/Website: https://www.project33.io/Chapters00:00 — Why Olga left Semrush after 12 years02:00 — The gap in her career: building from zero03:30 — Solo vs team: why she chose a startup06:00 — How AI restrictions slow down enterprise marketers08:30 — What marketers should do when the job market feels unsafe10:50 — The biggest AI opportunities inside large organizations13:00 — Semrush’s 10h → 2h reporting automation14:30 — How they automated share-of-voice tracking16:45 — The content engine Olga couldn’t get approved20:15 — How AI changes team structure & role definitions22:00 — Why social media managers now have disproportionate leverage24:00 — Why most brand pages are a graveyard27:00 — How Sem rush scaled employee advocacy to 10M+ impressions30:30 — Advocacy vs executive thought leadership33:00 — Why Olga never touched executive accounts at Semrush36:00 — How she’s activating her new founder’s brand at Foxtery38:30 — Scraping top creators and rebuilding winning formats44:00 — Why she refuses AI-generated infographics47:30 — How she’s measuring success before product launch49:40 — Founder brand as a long-term compounding asset51:00 — What’s next for Foxtery#linkedin #founderledmarketing #linkedinads #linkedinagency #founderbranding #saas #b2bmarketing #demandgeneration #demandgen #content #b2b #revenue #contentmarketing #performancemarketing #videomarketing #personalbranding This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.executivebrand.org

Justin Levy is the Director of Social Media & Influencer Marketing at ZoomInfo, a $1.2B ARR company with 4,000+ employees. He built their first executive social program, scaled employee advocacy from 100 to 1,800 people, and grew ZoomInfo’s creator program to 40+ creators across LinkedIn, TikTok, YouTube, Substack, newsletters, and podcasts.That program alone drove thousands of webinar registrants and millions influenced in revenue.We break it all down in this episode.What You’ll Learn• The real reason LinkedIn reach is collapsing and why the algorithm now behaves more like TikTok• Why B2B brands should stop overextending on LinkedIn and where to diversify instead• The truth about vertical video on LinkedIn and why the returns are shrinking• How ZoomInfo uses YouTube Shorts & Reddit to influence AI Overviews and search• The 5 pillars of ZoomInfo’s social + creator ecosystem and which one outperforms everything• Why ZoomInfo’s creator program drives millions in revenue with a full attribution breakdown• How to launch an influencer program with a small budget• Paid vs. earned influencer content: how B2B brands should think about it• What B2B creators get wrong: over-monetizing, low authenticity, and trust decay• How ZoomInfo built a 12-hour/day social SWAT team to handle brand attacks in under an hourPerfect For You If• You lead marketing or brand at a B2B company• You're experimenting with creator or influencer marketing• You want to diversify beyond LinkedIn• You’re building an executive social program or employee advocacy motion• You want to understand how a $1.2B ARR company runs modern social at scaleConnect with Justin:Justin’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/justinlevy/ZoomInfo: https://www.zoominfo.com/Connect with me: Podcast: https://open.spotify.com/show/03CXzsZp7wdqIRVDcqPTFHLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/finnthormeier/Website: https://www.project33.io/Chapters00:00 — Why Justin’s creator program outperforms everything else02:00 — ZoomInfo’s 5,000-registrant virtual event (and 2,000 from creators)03:07 — The biggest gap in B2B social today04:30 — How LinkedIn’s algorithm actually works in 202506:00 — Vertical video fatigue and diminishing returns06:58 — YouTube Shorts, TikTok & Reddit: new frontiers for B2B10:26 — Why LinkedIn is still #1 but shouldn’t be your only channel12:44 — ZoomInfo’s top 3 social channels14:13 — Breaking down ZoomInfo’s creator program15:57 — Why creator-driven demos outperform branded demos17:50 — Earned vs. paid: how to classify influencer marketing19:47 — Why you should combine logo placements + integrated creator content21:36 — How ZoomInfo measures millions in influenced revenue23:21 — Why every creator post gets a UTM24:55 — Why Justin ignores “the link kills reach” myth25:45 — First-touch, influenced pipeline, and attribution modeling27:34 — How smaller companies should start creator marketing29:53 — The “Top 50” organic play that gets creators on your radar33:13 — How many creators to pick for a 3-month test35:26 — Why you should always pair creator campaigns with a lead magnet37:07 — How Justin evaluates ROI when enterprise cycles are long39:35 — Why SMB-heavy leads aren’t good enough41:32 — One-to-one pipeline attribution explained43:37 — How to pick the right creators45:25 — The hidden metric Justin cares about47:18 — The authenticity problem with full-time creators50:22 — FTC rules, disclosure, and trust52:16 — Inside ZoomInfo’s 12-hour/day social SWAT team56:33 — Why consumers are shifting complaints from public to private59:00 — Closing#linkedin #founderledmarketing #linkedinads #linkedinagency #founderbranding #saas #b2bmarketing #demandgeneration #demandgen #content #b2b #revenue #contentmarketing #performancemarketing #videomarketing #personalbranding This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.executivebrand.org

David Walsh, Founder & CEO of Limelight, is one of the few people who actually knows how B2B influencer marketing actually works. His marketplace powers creator campaigns for Clay, Webflow, HubSpot, ZoomInfo, Bill.com, and dozens of high-growth B2B companies.In this episode, we break down exactly how to collaborate with creators as a repeatable growth channel and not a one-off experiment.What You’ll Learn- The stage where influencer marketing actually works- Creator-Market Fit: the only metric that matters- The campaign structure Limelight recommends to every brand- What a good budget looks like- How to measure influencer marketing without guessing- Why organic posts are step one and paid ads are step two- How Clay built the best creator program in B2B- Why employee advocacy and creators is the real cheat code- The flywheel effect that happens when executives, employees, and influencers amplify each other- Why now is the moment to start creating content- David shares how his own content now drives 90% of Limelight’s revenuePerfect For- Founders who want real distribution, not just paid impressions- Marketing leaders tired of rising CAC and declining ad performance- Teams considering influencer marketing but unsure where to start- Anyone curious how B2B creators actually drive pipeline Connect with David: - David’s Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dw1232/- Limelight: https://www.limelighthq.com/Connect with me: - Podcast: https://open.spotify.com/show/03CXzsZp7wdqIRVDcqPTFH- LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/finnthormeier/- Website: https://www.project33.io/Chapters00:00 — The 2012-Instagram moment for LinkedIn02:05 — When a company is actually ready for influencer marketing03:44 — Does ACV matter?05:33 — Why LinkedIn creators are the hardest to find06:59 — Solving the creator cold-start problem09:13 — Employees vs full-time creators11:21 — Why creator partnerships are suddenly normalized13:19 — How often creators should post15:07 — The ideal campaign structure and why going wide wins17:30 — Why niche creators outperform big ones19:01 — Budget ranges for 60-post campaigns20:32 — How to measure success the honest version22:55 — The 80/20 of engagement quality25:14 — Turning creator posts into paid ads27:30 — Why creator budgets will explode over the next 5 years31:06 — Creator-Market Fit 33:10 — The campaigns David points companies to35:02 — How Clay built the new standard37:10 — How brands should think about creative control40:38 — Why over-controlling the creator kills performance42:22 — How to think about creator fatigue + competitive overlap44:28 — The transparency rules creators follow46:12 — Employee advocacy + creators = distribution48:33 — How creators help employees grow, and vice versa50:48 — Why every company will have “personality-led marketing”52:54 — Why employee content must become measurable54:34 — David’s closing message: start creating now#linkedin #founderledmarketing #linkedinads #linkedinagency #founderbranding #saas #b2bmarketing #demandgeneration #demandgen #content #b2b #revenue #contentmarketing #performancemarketing #videomarketing #personalbranding This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.executivebrand.org

Kyle Lacy is the CMO of Docebo, a publicly traded enterprise learning platform used by companies like Zoom, OpenTable, Dior, and Denny’s. Before Docebo, he led marketing at Lessonly, Seismic, Salesforce, and Jellyfish, and he’s been publishing online since MySpace.In this episode, Kyle breaks down what’s still true about personal branding in 2025, how executives should think about posting online, the mistakes leaders make when they worry too much about reach, and why story is the only thing that differentiates you.We also talk about publishing as a discipline, how to turn meetings into content, the realities of being an exec at a public company, and why Ramp and Liquid Death are raising the bar for brand in B2B.What You’ll Learn- The one thing about personal branding that hasn’t changed since 2010- How to create content as a busy executive- Why reach doesn’t matter as much as people think- The biggest mistakes executives make on LinkedIn- How to use LinkedIn for internal communication- When executive thought leadership becomes a marketing motion- The best way to pick content topics Perfect for founders, CMOs, and B2B leaders who want to:- Build a real executive brand - Understand how to post confidently without fear- Turn daily work into high-performing content- Enable your leadership team to publish consistently- Use LinkedIn for recruiting, culture, and storytellingConnect with Kyle: Kyle’s Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kylelacy/Docebo: https://www.docebo.com/ Revenue Diaries: https://www.therevenuediaries.com/Connect with Me:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/finnthormeier/Website: https://www.project33.io/Podcast: https://open.spotify.com/show/03CXzsZp7wdqIRVDcqPTFHChapters00:00 Who is Kyle Lacy?01:22 Writing one of the first personal branding books (in 2010)03:30 What’s still true about personal branding05:00 Story vs. generic content07:00 How personal to get online08:58 Why specific details make you relatable10:22 How Kyle sees LinkedIn compared to other platforms12:05 The truth about reach and algorithm changes13:42 Kyle’s workflow: how he actually creates content15:38 Posting daily as an executive17:44 The Delta incident: how a single tweet almost got him fired20:37 How executives should think about posting22:38 Why building a network matters for every leader23:58 Dealing with imposter syndrome vs. publishing fear25:39 Do people assume you’re not working?27:36 Evergreen vs. timely content29:49 Using LinkedIn for internal communication31:41 When executive thought leadership becomes a real marketing motion33:54 Using audience trust for hiring35:48 Which executives should post (and why some shouldn’t)37:58 Themes and sub-themes: Kyle’s writing strategy39:22 Hooks, structure, and intuition40:49 Framework content vs. story content42:00 Commenting, community, and consistency44:38 Why Kyle wishes he started his newsletter earlier46:15 Substack vs. Beehiiv48:04 Kyle’s current tool stack49:10 Brands inspiring him: Ramp, Liquid Death50:37 Why good taste still wins This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.executivebrand.org

Melissa Rosenthal is the Co-Founder of Outlever, the company helping B2B brands build their own media properties, full newsrooms, daily publishing, real interviews, and journalism that companies actually own.Before Outlever, Melissa scaled BuzzFeed’s creative team, helped build Cheddar into a modern media brand, and later became Chief Creative Officer at ClickUp, where she helped turn the company into one of the most recognizable names in SaaS.In this episode, Melissa gives a behind-the-scenes look at how company-owned newsrooms work, why traditional PR is broken, how Outlever produces journalism at scale, and why the future belongs to brands that control their own distribution.We also talk about B2B storytelling that people actually want to read, the new rules of thought leadership, and how AI is reshaping content creation from the inside.What You’ll LearnWhy traditional PR doesn’t work anymoreHow to build a company-owned newsroomThe system Outlever uses to create journalism at scaleWhy founders should own their audience, not rent itHow AI fits into modern editorial workflowsThe ClickUp lessons: brand, creative, and B2C thinking in B2BHow to use interviews to build trust at scaleWhat happens when every company becomes a media companyPerfect for founders, CMOs, and B2B marketers who want to:Build a real moat around their brandEscape the limitations of traditional PRUse interviews to drive trust, authority, and distributionUnderstand the future of B2B mediaBlend AI + human storytelling effectivelyConnect with Melissa:Melissa’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/melissarosenthal5/Outlever: https://www.outlever.com/Connect with me:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/finnthormeier/Website: https://www.project33.io/Podcast: https://open.spotify.com/show/03CXzsZp7wdqIRVDcqPTFHChapters00:00 Who is Melissa Rosenthal? From BuzzFeed to ClickUp to Outlever02:00 Why traditional PR is broken (and what replaces it)05:06 The reality behind earned media and pay-to-play06:46 Why companies should build their own newsroom08:37 What it takes to launch a media entity from scratch10:47 How Outlever produces journalism at scale12:50 The companies doing this best today14:14 Should every company build a newsroom?16:07 AI search, AEO, and why third-party content wins17:25 How Outlever does its own marketing19:20 How direct the brand to newsroom link should be20:40 Why this model is a moat for companies22:20 Will new “gatekeepers” emerge?24:30 How Melissa explains this to CMOs26:20 Distribution: LinkedIn, newsletters, and peer networks28:21 Quality vs. quantity in content publishing29:55 How AI assists interviews and drafting31:18 Why humans will always run the interview34:07 AI-assisted interviewer workflow, explained35:38 The rise of thought leadership and personal brand building37:46 The hardest part: going from 0 to 139:23 Why POV comes from your ICP, not your boardroom41:06 What media companies can’t do anymore44:35 Forbes 30 Under 30, and what it meant at 2546:28 What makes a truly great interview This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.executivebrand.org

Alex Josephson, VP of Brand & Content Strategy at LinkedIn, shares insights on how the platform is reshaping B2B marketing. He highlights the surge in vertical video and its appeal to younger decision-makers. Executives can connect better with audiences by adopting a natural, lo-fi content style. Alex also outlines three core advertising principles: demonstrate, be contextual, and think beyond channels. He delves into the power of Thought Leader Ads and emphasizes the importance of authentic storytelling to build brand trust—featuring success stories from Ramp and American Express.

In this discussion, Joe Ciarallo, VP of Global Communications at Wellhub, draws on his experience with Toast and Salesforce to reveal the evolution of executive communications. He highlights the shift from scrappy PR to a strategic approach, emphasizing category creation and the need for a unified messaging strategy. Joe discusses the growing importance of thought leadership, the integration of AI in communications, and the benefits of transparency, using Ryanair as a case study. He encourages founders to actively build their online presence and prioritize empathy in messaging.

Udi Ledergor, former CMO and Chief Evangelist at Gong, transformed the company from a startup into a B2B powerhouse. He discusses why conventional best practices often lead to mediocrity, pushing instead for unique perspectives in marketing. Udi shares insights on bold content strategies, valuable lessons from Gong's Super Bowl ads, and the importance of employee-led distribution on LinkedIn. He emphasizes building a courageous marketing culture while balancing personal and corporate branding, offering essential advice for startups aiming to scale.

Bryan Law is the CMO at SentinelOne, an AI-powered cybersecurity company that just crossed $1B ARR.Before joining SentinelOne, Bryan led marketing at Salesforce and ZoomInfo, where he learned the power of distinctive brands and founder-led storytelling.In this episode, Bryan breaks down how he helped SentinelOne become the fastest-growing cybersecurity brand on LinkedIn (up 61% YoY) — and how he’s rethinking executive content, AI, and brand-building in enterprise SaaS.What you’ll learnThe difference between being different and being distinct and why it matters more for B2B brandsHow SentinelOne doubled its LinkedIn followers in 12 monthsWhy follower growth isn’t vanity when it drives top-of-funnel awarenessHow to get executives posting consistently without forcing itBryan’s 4 stages of adopting AI in marketing teamsHow synthetic audiences and agentic AI are changing customer researchThe “Day 1 Buyer List” every marketer needs to understandWhy every brand investment should have a measurable impact on demandPerfect for Founders, CMOs, and marketing leaders who want to:Build distinctive brands that dominate the buyer’s “Day 1” listTurn executive teams into LinkedIn thought leadersBlend AI, content, and brand for measurable pipeline impactConnect with BryanBryan’s Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bryanbasdenlaw/SentinelOne: https://www.sentinelone.com/ Connect with mePodcast: https://open.spotify.com/show/03CXzsZp7wdqIRVDcqPTFH LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/finnthormeier/ Website: https://www.project33.io/ Chapters00:00 Distinct vs Different02:00 Why distinctiveness beats differentiation05:30 Brand assets that make you recognizable08:30 Using AI and synthetic audiences for messaging10:45 Why SentinelOne made LinkedIn a top priority13:00 Metrics that actually matter beyond follower count16:00 The 3 levers that drove 100K+ new followers18:00 Getting executives active on LinkedIn19:45 The Henry Schuck story on building a personal brand21:30 How executives should approach LinkedIn posting25:00 Balancing personal content vs company relevance27:00 Why CEOs should post on LinkedIn (and how to convince them)30:00 The CEO as a distinctive brand asset32:00 Inside SentinelOne’s internal brand ambassador program35:00 The “Day 1 Buyer List” and marketing to the 95%38:45 Brand investments that actually drive demand42:30 What every CMO should still do in the AI era46:00 How SentinelOne uses GenAI operationally47:30 Favorite AI tools in Bryan’s stack49:00 Closing thoughts This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.executivebrand.org