

Dev Propulsion Labs
Evil Martians
Dev Propulsion Labs is a podcast about the business of developer tools. Hosts from the Evil Martians team interview prominent dev tools founders with the goal of sharing knowledge in the maturing developer tool and commercial open source industry.
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Jul 31, 2025 • 40min
Anna Veronika Dorogush on why having high-density talent on the team is crucial for Recraft
Anna Veronika Dorogush, founder and CEO of Recraft, reveals how she built one of the world's leading AI image generation platforms by solving real professional design problems instead of chasing AI hype. Some key insights:"My whole back-end team is medalists and finalists of World Championship in programming." Strong people attract strong people, creating a talent density that enables a small team to compete with giants."We are just focused on producing the best models in image generation space for designers, for professional use cases." While others built general AI image generators, Recraft targeted designers' specific needs: brand consistency, style control, and professional workflows. "That's the major differentiator between ourselves and other AI native tools is we are building our technology from scratch in-house. And that allows us to solve for professional tasks." Training proprietary models in-house allows solving for your users' exact problems (controlling styles, brand colors, fonts)."At the first stage, think investors mostly are evaluating founders and founding teams. After that, investors are evaluating product market fit and retention and later, monetization starts to be very important. We've raised three rounds so far and on every one of those rounds, different things were considered very important." Links:Recraft: https://www.recraft.ai/Anna Veronika on X: https://x.com/avwritingEvil Martians on X: https://x.com/evilmartiansVictoria Melnikova on X: https://x.com/vmelnikova_enEvil Martians is the go-to agency for early-stage developer tools startups: https://evilmartians.com/devtools

Jul 10, 2025 • 30min
Michael Magán, co-founder at tambo ai, on how a friendly octopus makes AI more approachable
Evil Martians is the go-to agency for early-stage developer tools startups: https://evilmartians.com/devtoolsLinks:- tambo ai: https://tambo.co/- Michael Magán on X: https://x.com/mrmagan_- Evil Martians on X: https://x.com/evilmartians- Victoria Melnikova on X: https://x.com/vmelnikova_en

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Jun 30, 2025 • 37min
José Valim on feeding desire to learn, healthy Elixir ecosystem and the future of AI tooling
José Valim, the creator of Elixir and founder of Dashbit, shares insights from his journey in developing a beloved programming language. He discusses how prioritizing personal curiosity over market trends led to genuine community engagement. Valim emphasizes decentralization in the Elixir ecosystem, enabling diverse innovation. He also highlights the importance of transparent marketing through clear trade-offs. Currently, he's focused on Tidewave, aiming to create intuitive AI tools that enhance web development experiences.

Jun 24, 2025 • 24min
Adam Wenchel, CEO at Arthur AI, on building AI guardrails, the last mile problem, and coaching code bots
Adam Wenchel has been building AI infrastructure since before it was cool. As CEO and co-founder of Arthur AI, he's spent six years solving the "last mile problem" - getting AI from impressive demos to reliable production systems. In this conversation, we dive deep into why Adam open sources million-dollar tools, how his enterprise experience at Capital One shaped his approach to developer empathy, and his provocative prediction that we'll soon need fewer developers but better "code bot coaches."What we cover:- Why the gap between 90% demo accuracy and 99% production reliability is make-or-break for AI adoption- The strategic decision to open source Arthur Shield and Bench instead of keeping them proprietary- How working inside a 50,000-person company taught him to build better developer tools- Whether AI will eliminate junior developers (and why the answer isn't what you think)- The future of software development: from 50-person teams to 5 expert coaches- What makes the perfect developer tool (hint: simplicity + a sprinkle of cleverness)Adam's journey from acquiring a 5-person startup to Capital One to building Arthur offers rare insights into both enterprise AI deployment and the evolving landscape of developer productivity. If you're building AI tools, selling to enterprises, or wondering how to future-proof your development career, this conversation is packed with actionable wisdom.Links:- Website: https://www.arthur.ai/- GitHub: https://github.com/arthur-ai/arthur-engine- Adam Wenchel on X: https://x.com/apwenchel- Evil Martians on X: https://x.com/evilmartians- Victoria Melnikova on X: https://x.com/vmelnikova_en

May 20, 2025 • 28min
Sam Bhagwat on Gatsby and Mastra, YC and tapping into your inner child
In this discussion, Sam Bhagwat, co-founder of Gatsby and CEO of Mastra AI, shares insights on AI tools and developer frameworks. He reflects on his experience with YC and identifies gaps in the AI landscape that his TypeScript framework addresses. Sam emphasizes the importance of community and iterative development in tech, along with the philosophical angles of licensing. He also touches on the concept of vibe coding, balancing creativity with technical precision, inviting developers to engage with Mastra as they navigate the evolving AI ecosystem.

Apr 2, 2024 • 37min
Jono Bacon, former Director of Community at GitHub & Ubuntu, author of “People Powered”
Your dev tool needs to harness the power of community — whether you’re building your own or connecting to larger forums. The new episode of the Dev Propulsion Labs podcast is packed with Jono Bacon’s insights on building relationships with your audience: he has built over 300(!) open source communities, including GitHub and Ubuntu, and he still backs many of them on their continued path to sustainability as part of the Community Leadership Core accelerator.Evil Martians transform growth-stage startups into unicorns, build developer tools, and create open source products. The podcast is hosted by Irina Nazarova.

Mar 6, 2024 • 35min
Alice Chen, CTO & Co-Founder at OpenContext
We’re blasting off the third season of our podcast with a new host, Irina Nazarova, CEO at Evil Martians, and a new guest—Alice Chen, CTO & Co-Founder at OpenContext, a platform that drives clarity of context across the organization. Prior to co-founding OpenContext in 2021, Alice rose up in the ranks of massive companies like HP and Informatica. In our conversation, we dug into her strategies to sell open source to enterprise giants—to help you accomplish your next big sell.Evil Martians transform growth-stage startups into unicorns, build developer tools, and create open source products.

Dec 21, 2023 • 51min
David Heinemeier Hansson, DHH - Co-founder at Basecamp & HEY, Ruby on Rails Creator
David Heinemeier Hansson also known as DHH is the creator of Ruby on Rails, cofounder of Basecamp & HEY, best-selling author, Le Mans class-winning racing driver, antitrust advocate, investor in Danish startups, frequent podcast guest, and family man. Evil Martians transform growth-stage startups into unicorns, build developer tools, and create open source products. The podcast is hosted by Victoria Melnikova

Dec 20, 2023 • 31min
Hahnbee Lee - Co-Founder at Mintlify
This week's guest is Hahnbee Lee, Co-Founder at Mintlify. Prior to founding Mintlify, Hahnbee co-founded pe•ple and worked as a software engineer at Duolingo. The best developer companies (think Stripe, Twilio, MongoDB) have effective and user-centric documentation at their backbone. Mintlify helps any company achieve the documentation they need effortlessly, so that they can focus on building what they do best.Evil Martians transform growth-stage startups into unicorns, build developer tools, and create open source products. Podcast host is Victoria Melnikova

Dec 13, 2023 • 38min
Miško Hevery - BuilderIO, Angular, Qwik
As the CTO of Builder.io, Miško Hevery directs the technological prowess behind the platform's innovative projects including Qwik, a web framework for building instant loading apps and sites. Prior to this, Miško played a pivotal role in Google, not only pioneering Angular and AngularJS but also co-creating Karma.Evil Martians transform growth-stage startups into unicorns, build developer tools, and create open source products.Host: Victoria Melnikova