
Divergent Conversations
Dr. Megan Neff and Patrick Casale are two Neurodivergent therapists in a neurotypical world. During this podcast, theyβll talk about their own personal experiences as Autistic-ADHDers. They will reflect on their lived experience as AuDHD mental health professionals, and entrepreneurs, as well as offer clinical guidance, and support. Episodes will be conversational in nature, and theyβll interview other ND Folx to amplify the voices of other neurodivergent advocates and individuals as they share their authentic stories. New episodes will come out weekly, on all major platforms. Megan told Patrick, βIβll bring the chaos, You organize it.β This perfectly sums up their working relationship and friendship. Reflections of two neurodivergent clinicians. Raw, Vulnerable, Affirmative As Hell. Follow on instagram.com/divergentconversations
Topics include Autism, ADHD, Sleep struggles, Chronic Illness, RSD, Alexithymia, Autistic burnout, Intersectionality, Neuroqueer, Creativity, OCD, Neurodivergence, Affirming Language, Small business ownership, Unpacking Internalized Ableism, and so much more.
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Latest episodes

Jun 28, 2024 β’ 38min
Episode 60: Understanding ADHD Tax: Impact, Personal Stories, and Management Strategies
Two AuDHD mental health professionals, Patrick Casale and Dr. Megan Anna Neff, discuss the concept of the ADHD tax in daily life, sharing personal stories and management strategies. They explore topics such as impulsive decisions, relationships, and the challenges of managing impulsivity. The podcast also covers strategies for mitigating impulsive behaviors and the importance of ethical marketing practices for neurodivergent individuals.

Jun 21, 2024 β’ 43min
Episode 59: ADHD Interest-Based Nervous Systems
Dr. Megan Anna Neff, a mental health professional specializing in ADHD, joins Patrick Casale to dissect the intricacies of the interest-based nervous system. They explore how motivation fluctuates uniquely for those with ADHD and share techniques for enhancing productivity. Learn about dopamine stacking, body doubling, and the P.I.N.C.H. motivatorsβpassion, interest, novelty, competition, and urgencyβthat can help combat procrastination. With practical tips, they provide insight into making mundane tasks more engaging and understanding your unique nervous system.

Jun 14, 2024 β’ 24min
Episode 58: βWhat is ADHD?β (Part 4): Unpacking ADHD Impulsive Traits
Two AuDHD mental health professionals, Patrick Casale and Dr. Megan Anna Neff, discuss the complexities of impulsivity in ADHD using the DSM-5 criteria. They explore how impulsivity affects relationships and career choices, and share personal experiences. The episode delves into the challenges of inhibiting impulsive behaviors, including real-life examples of struggles and negative consequences. The guests emphasize the importance of diagnosing ADHD based on symptoms before age 12 and across different settings.

Jun 7, 2024 β’ 48min
Episode 57: βWhat is ADHD?β (Part 3): Unpacking ADHD-Hyperactive Traits
Listen to mental health professionals Patrick Casale and Dr. Megan Anna Neff discuss ADHD-Hyperactive traits, including managing behaviors in social and professional settings, the concept of masking in ADHD, challenges with being present in the moment, and strategies for addressing hyperactive energy. Gain insight into personal experiences and the impact of ADHD on relationships and daily life.

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May 31, 2024 β’ 55min
Episode 56: βWhat is ADHD?β (Part 2): Unpacking ADHD-Inattentive Traits
AuDHD mental health professionals, Patrick Casale and Dr. Megan Anna Neff, delve into the DSM-5 criteria for ADHD inattentive subtype. They share personal struggles with inattentive traits like decision fatigue, coping mechanisms, project management challenges, and organization difficulties. Listeners can relate to their experiences and gain insights on navigating daily life with ADHD traits.

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May 24, 2024 β’ 17min
Episode 55: βWhat is ADHD?β (Part 1): Personal Stories and Professional Insights
Two AuDHD mental health professionals, Patrick Casale and Dr. Megan Anna Neff, discuss the often misunderstood traits of ADHD, share personal stories, explore interconnectedness with autism, and highlight societal stereotypes. They lay the groundwork for discussions on ADHD criteria and personal experiences in this informative podcast.

May 17, 2024 β’ 55min
Episode 54: Rethinking Parenting: Supporting Gender Diverse and Neurodivergent Youth [featuring Lisa Dube]
If you're parenting a neurodivergent child or young adult, you understand that traditional approaches don't always fit. Balancing the unique needs with the world's expectations can feel isolating and overwhelming.In this episode, Patrick Casale and Dr. Megan Anna Neff, two AuDHD mental health professionals, speak with Lisa Dube, a licensed clinical social worker, a specialist in gender identities and neurodivergence, and the founder of Merrimack River Wellness. They dive into the nuances of parenting, supporting, and understanding neurodivergent children, particularly those exploring their gender identity.Top 3 reasons to listen to the entire episode:Gain a deeper understanding of how to recognize and support the fight, flight, freeze, and fawn responses in neurodivergent children, helping you to interpret their behaviors through a more informed and empathetic lens.Learn from Lisa Dube's insights into the intersection of gender identity and neurodivergence, encouraging a curious and non-judgmental approach to parenting that embraces and respects your child's identity exploration.Discover practical advice on avoiding the "failure to launch" stereotype and fostering an environment of interdependence through "scaffolding,β particularly useful for parents of neurodivergent young adults who do not fit traditional developmental trajectories.As you tune into this vital conversation, reflect on how you can bring these strategies into your own family dynamics to support and strengthen the bond with your child. Consider how your parenting approach can evolve not just to cope with, but to actively enrich the journey of raising a neurodivergent child.More about Lisa Dube, MSW, LICSWFounder, Merrimack River WellnessLisa is neurodivergent and has been a licensed clinical social worker since 1995. Prior to opening her private practice, Lisa worked for the U.S. District Court for more than twenty years, as a treatment specialist. In 2018, she established a private practice focused on the needs of families and individuals navigating gender identity exploration and transition. Over the last few years, Lisa has become passionate about the intersectionality of gender and neurodivergence and has received extensive training in the neurodiversity-affirming paradigm. More recently, Lisa has completed Internal Family Systems (IFS) Level 1 & 2 training and has brought this non-pathologizing lens into her practice. She currently facilitates several groups for parents and for young adults, focused on the intersectionality of gender and neurodivergence. Lisa has a special interest in supporting parents in developing new narratives and ways of connecting with their young adult autistic children who may be challenged with the transition to adulthood. Lisa is licensed to provide clinical services in Massachusetts, Maine, Connecticut, and New Hampshire.Website: https://www.merrimackriverwellness.comInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/merrimackriverwellnessββββββββββββββββββββββββββββββββποΈListen to more episodes of the Divergent Conversations PodcastποΈSpotifyποΈAppleποΈYouTube MusicβΆοΈ YouTubeπ¬ Join Divergent Conversations Undergroundβββββββββββββββββββββββββββββββββ¨ The Autistic Burnout Workbook:I'm Dr. Megan Anna Neff, owner of Neurodivergent Insights, and I'm excited to announce the release of my book, The Autistic Burnout Workbook. I'm running a special deal for those who support my work. After you order, you will get a coupon code that you can use toward our store for the same amount. For example, the workbook costs $18.99, so after purchase, you'd get a credit of $18.99 to use in our digital shop or in our Etsy shop, which gets you another digital workbook of your choosing for free. This is technically a pre-order promotion that was originally set to end on March 10th, but for listeners of the podcast, I'm going to extend this deal, so if you buy the book in the next month, you can also redeem this special. Thank you for supporting my work. It means so much to me and I hope that you will find this a helpful resource for you as you continue to build a life that is a bit more resilient to autistic burnout. Use the following link to grab this offer: neurodivergentinsights.notion.site/17ea17a4bb8b8034ab2bf9b03c560a64 After this deal ends, you can use this link to purchase this workbook: simonandschuster.com/books/The-Autistic-Burnout-Workbook/Megan-Anna-Neff/9781507223062ββββββββββββββββββββββββββββββββπ¬ Join Divergent Conversations UndergroundDivergent Conversations Underground is a space for messy conversations, real connection, and unfinished thoughts in a neurodivergent-affirming community. If youβd like to go deeper with us into more nuanced, searching conversations, join here: divergentconversations.substack.comββββββββββββββββββββββββββββββββMentioned in this episode:The Autistic Burnout WorkbookI'm Dr. Megan Anna Neff, owner of Neurodivergent Insights, and I'm excited to announce the release of my book, The Autistic Burnout Workbook. I'm running a special deal for those who support my work. After you order, you will get a coupon code that you can use toward our store for the same amount. For example, the workbook costs $18.99, so after purchase, you'd get a credit of $18.99 to use in our digital shop or in our Etsy shop, which gets you another digital workbook of your choosing for free. This is technically a pre-order promotion that was originally set to end on March 10th, but for listeners of the podcast, I'm going to extend this deal, so if you buy the book in the next month, you can also redeem this special. Thank you for supporting my work. It means so much to me and I hope that you will find this a helpful resource for you as you continue to build a life that is a bit more resilient to autistic burnout.
Use the following link to grab this offer: https://neurodivergentinsights.notion.site/17ea17a4bb8b8034ab2bf9b03c560a64
After this deal ends, you can use this link to purchase this workbook: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/The-Autistic-Burnout-Workbook/Megan-Anna-Neff/9781507223062

May 10, 2024 β’ 1h
Episode 53: The Intersection of Autism and Eating Disorders [featuring Livia Sara]
Livia Sara, an autism advocate in eating disorder recovery, discusses unique challenges faced by neurodivergent individuals, the power of autonomy in recovery, and personal struggles with eating disorders and addiction. The podcast explores misdiagnoses, societal perceptions of food, and the quest for identity amidst struggles with anorexia and depression.

May 3, 2024 β’ 59min
Episode 52: Understanding PMDD: The Link Between Hormonal Imbalances and Neurodivergence [featuring Jes Hagen]
Nutritional therapist Jes Hagen discusses PMDD, hormonal imbalances impacting mental health like ADHD and bipolar disorder. They explore integrative approaches, dietary choices, and lifestyle changes for better management. The conversation highlights the struggles of living with PMDD, the link between estrogen, dopamine receptors, and ADHD, and the challenges of traditional medical treatments.

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Apr 26, 2024 β’ 1h 9min
Episode 51: βWhat is Autism?β (Part 4): Special Interests and Complex Sensory Experiences
AuDHD mental health professionals, Patrick Casale and Dr. Megan Anna Neff, discuss special interests and sensory experiences in autism. They highlight the role of passions in forming connections and the diverse sensory systems that influence daily life. The conversation explores creating inclusive environments, understanding sensory challenges, and the interconnection of autism and ADHD criteria.