

MinistryWatch Podcast
Warren Smith and Natasha Smith
Transparency and accountability are vital to the renewal of the evangelical church in America. Hosts Warren Smith and Natasha Smith highlight the top stories of the week from the unique MinistryWatch perspective and give you a peek behind the curtain to show why and how we do the investigations we do.
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Dec 11, 2025 • 34min
Ep. 538: Daniel Darling In Defense of Christian Patriotism
We have heard a lot of discussion in the past few years about Christian Nationalism. But for all the talk, the books, and the social media traffic, there’s less clarity than ever around the term. But one of the worst outcomes we have seen amidst this talk has been a dismissal of what my guest today, Daniel Darling, calls Christian patriotism.
While Dan Darling rejects what is often a virulent and anti-Christian version of Christian Nationalism, he writes in a new book that patriotism isn’t optional for Christians. He explains that God himself defines the time and place in which we live and gave us a command to love our neighbors. Loving our country and getting involved in the political, social, cultural, and civic lives of our nation are essential duties.
Dan Darling is uniquely qualified to talk about these issues. He is a pastor and the author of several books, including The Dignity Revolution, which is one that had a big impact on me. He currently serves as the director of the Land Center for Cultural Engagement at Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary and is a fellow at the Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission of the Southern Baptist Convention. He is also a columnist for WORLD Magazine and a contributor to USA Today.
The producer for today’s program is Jeff McIntosh. Until next time, may God bless you.

Dec 10, 2025 • 16min
Ep. 537: Understanding MinistryWatch’s Donor Confidence Score
On today’s EXTRA episode, MinistryWatch President Warren Smith explains our Donor Confidence Score and answers some of the most frequently asked questions about the DCS and about the MinistryWatch 1000 database.
Some of the links mentioned in today’s program include:
You can find the ministry you’re looking for by clicking here.
A growing number of Christian ministries do not file a Form 990. I have written about this trend here.
We welcome feedback from donors and ministry leaders regarding individual ministry ratings, or regarding our overall rating system. We have made adjustments over the years based on this feedback. If you have comments, concerns, or questions, please email me at wsmith@ministrywatch.com

Dec 5, 2025 • 29min
Ep. 536: The Skit Guys, Renihan Resignation, Religious Liberty Wins
On today’s program, The Skit Guys is calling it a wrap after nearly 3 decades of ministry because one of the co-founders admitted to ‘moral failure.’ We’ll have details.
And, an Arizona church got the green light to resume its food distribution ministry after the city of San Luis had attempted to shut it down, citing zoning violations. We’ll take a look.
Plus, the results from our fall survey of top ministry executives from some of the largest ministries in the U-S. Many ministry executives fear a recession is on the way.
But first, a well-known reformed Baptist pastor resigned from his post. Samuel Renihan has confessed to adultery and resigned from his position at Trinity Reformed Baptist Church in La Mirada, California. He was ordained by the church in 2012.
The producer for today’s program is Jeff McIntosh. We get database and other technical support from Stephen DuBarry, Rod Pitzer, and Casey Sudduth. Writers who contributed to today’s program include Isaac Wood, Stacey Horton, Kim Roberts, Christina Darnell and Warren Smith.
You’ve been listening to the MinistryWatch podcast. Until next time, may God bless you.

Dec 4, 2025 • 16min
Ep: 535: Understand Before You Give: Matching and Challenge Gifts
We’ve entered year-end giving season, and you’re likely to see a lot of emails in your in-box promoting matching or challenge gifts.
What are matching gifts? How do they differ from challenge gifts? Are they legitimate fundraising tools, and do they make a difference? MinistryWatch attempts to briefly answer these questions in this special EXTRA episode.
Here are a few resources mentioned on today’s program:
According to the Evangelical Council for Financial Accountability: “Using challenge and matching gifts as a part of your fundraising program can be very effective. As in all fundraising communications, truthfulness is a hallmark (ECFA Standard 7.1) as are appeals that do not create unrealistic donor expectations (ECFA Standard 7.2).”
The data suggest that matching gifts are. Philanthropy Works said just declaring a matching gift increases giving by 19 percent. It said a match increases the likelihood that an individual gives by 22 percent.
But some Christian organizations report much higher results. In one recent experiment done by the consulting firm NextAfter with its client Alliance Defending Freedom, a matching gift resulted in a dramatic increase – more than 87 percent — in the effectiveness of its email communications. (You can dig into the details of that study here.)
Note, however, that a similar study done with Museum of the Bible yielded a significantly different result: an increase in about 50 percent. (You can read more about that experiment here.) This result is obviously much lower, but it’s important to note that even this very different result indicates that matching gifts make a real difference.

Dec 3, 2025 • 31min
Ep: 534: Doug Cobb and The Finishing Fund on “Venture Capital Philanthropy”
Earlier this year I heard Doug Cobb speak about the organization he leads, The Finishing Fund, and I was intrigued. The Finishing Fund is like a venture capital fund for evangelical work around the world. Like a venture capital fund in the secular space, it doesn’t fully fund a work, but provides seed capital to get the work started. It works through partners “on the ground” in some of the most remote and hostile areas on the planet.
I liked what I heard for a variety of reasons that are important to us here at MinistryWatch. For one, The Finishing Fund exercised a high degree of accountability and transparency. It was nimble. It could fund a group in weeks or months, and if the projects went well, it could make follow-on investments. And, equally important, if things were not working out, it could pull the plug on that project just as quickly.
I wanted to have Doug on the program to discuss this innovative model for missions and philanthropy. He’s my guest today.
Doug Cobb is himself a major investor in the Fund and volunteers as its managing partner. An entrepreneur from Louisville, Kentucky, Doug has been working with Finishing the Task and the Issachar Initiative for a decade. We had this conversation via zoom.
The producer for today’s program is Jeff McIntosh. I’m Warren Smith.
And I’d like to remind you that we are in the midst of our year-end fundraising campaign. Here at MinistryWatch we get more than a third, nearly 40 percent, of our budget in the past two months of the year. For us, that means about $190,000. If you are able to contribute, click here.
Until next time, may God bless you.

Nov 26, 2025 • 31min
Ep. 533: Andrew Osenga Calls Us To The “Old Paths”
Regular listeners to MinistryWatch know that I’m a music fan. Even though music is not really a part of our work here, I can’t help but let it seep into some of the podcast episodes. That’s why I’m delighted to have as my guest on the program today Andrew Osenga. If you know anything about Christian music, you have probably heard Andrew. In addition to more than a dozen albums under his own name, he was the founder and lead singer for The Normals, an alternative Christian rock band that made a big mark on the genre in the early 2000s. He also served as vocalist and guitarist for Caedmon’s Call. He’s also written for, played on, or produced albums by lots of other Christian artists, including Andrew Peterson.
But it’s not his music that has him on the program today. Andrew Osenga has written a new book, and it’s beautiful. How To Remember: Forgotten Pathways to an Authentic Faith is an honest look at himself, the church, and the world. I found it nourishing and I think you’ll find this conversation I had with Andrew nourishing as well.
Andrew Osenga lives and works – when he is not on the road – in Nashville Tennessee. We had this conversation via zoom.
The producer for today’s program is Jeff McIntosh. Until next time, may God bless you.

Nov 21, 2025 • 34min
Ep. 532: Vineyard Controversy, ACNA Archbishop Suspended, My Faith Votes
On today’s program, Duluth Vineyard cleared Interim Pastor John Kliewer of misconduct after an investigation found him innocent…but his wife is crying foul, saying Kliewer was forced to sign an NDA as part of his settlement agreement. We’ll have details.
And, a look at where the My Faith Votes is today a year after its former CEO Jason Yates was charged with the possession of child sexual abuse materials.
Plus, another next installment in our occasional series on radical generosity.
But first, the Anglican Church in North America has suspended Archbishop Steve Wood after more than 140 clergy signed an open letter calling for his inhibition.
The producer for today’s program is Jeff McIntosh. We get database and other technical support from Stephen DuBarry, Rod Pitzer, and Casey Sudduth. Writers who contributed to today’s program include Kathryn Post, Kim Roberts, Isaac Wood, Stacey Horton, Daniel Ritchie, Marci Seither, Tony Mator, and Christina Darnell.
Until next time, may God bless you.

Nov 19, 2025 • 34min
Ep. 531: Caleb Morell and Capitol Hill Baptist Church
Capitol Hill Baptist Church, located just blocks away from the center of American power, has a rich 150-year history. Its members have participated in significant world events, advocated for religious freedoms, and spoken out against the moral failings of the times. There’s no doubt this church has had a unique impact on evangelicalism from a significant location. But these lively characters and their unique experiences only tell part of this engaging narrative.
Through real-life stories, A Light on the Hill reveals how God works through church bodies and remains faithful during times of uncertainty. Exploring themes such as pastoral ministry, faithfulness, courage, racial reconciliation, church and politics, and more, this book will help readers see the long-term effects of faithful church ministries. Ultimately they will be encouraged to invest in a local church and preserve the gospel for the next generation.
I’m delighted to have the book’s author, Caleb Morell on the program today. Caleb Morell (MDiv, Southern Baptist Theological Seminary) is an assistant pastor at Capitol Hill Baptist Church and a doctoral student in historical theology at Midwestern Baptist Theological Seminary. He lives with his wife and three children on Capitol Hill in Washington, DC.
The producer for today’s program is Jeff McIntosh.
Until next time, may God bless you.

Nov 14, 2025 • 27min
Ep. 530: Moody Bible Institute Sue, Camp Mystic Parents Sue, Latest ACNA Accusations
On today’s program, Moody Bible Institute is suing the Chicago Public School system for excluding its students from the student-teaching program due to its religious hiring practices. We’ll take a look.
Plus, a second woman has come forward claiming ACNA Archbishop Steve Wood sexually harassed her. We’ll have details.
And, a new partnership shows how artificial intelligence is transforming Bible translation.
But first, families of the children who died at Camp Mystic after the July 4 floods have filed a lawsuit against the camp. The lawsuit accuses the camp of negligence, gross negligence, intentional infliction of emotional distress, and liability based on inviting the victims onto the camp property then breaching its duty of care to them.
The producer for today’s program is Jeff McIntosh. We get database and other technical support from Stephen DuBarry, Rod Pitzer, and Casey Sudduth. Writers who contributed to today’s program include Kim Roberts, Yonat Shimron, Kathryn Post, Isaac Wood, and Makella Knowles.
Until next time, may God bless you.

Nov 11, 2025 • 12min
Ep. 529: Remembering Our Veterans – And Ministries That Serve Them
The day before Veterans Day this year is another holiday, less known to the public but celebrated religiously by those in the Marine Corps. That day, November 10, is the Marine Corps birthday.
On today’s extra episode, I remember our veterans and the ministries that serve them.
Stick around to the end for the names of a few ministries that serve active-duty military, veterans, and their families.
The producer for today’s program is Jeff McIntosh. Until next time, may God bless you.


