

The Good Dirt: Sustainability Explained
Lady Farmer
Start living more sustainably. The Good Dirt podcast explores all aspects of a sustainable lifestyle with healthy soil as the touchpoint and metaphor for the healing of our relationship with the planet. Mother and daughter team Mary & Emma bring you weekly interviews with farmers, artists, authors, and leaders in the regenerative and sustainable living space.
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Jul 2, 2021 • 1h 5min
49. Beyond the Dream: Legal Resilience and Homesteading Reframed with Eva Moss
Mary and Emma have an enlightening conversation this week with grower and legal educator Eva Moss, discussing an aspect of the homestead dream that is too often overlooked. Knowing farm law and preparing for unexpected issues through healthy communication before they come up creates legal protection for all parties involved. Eva shares with us the story of how a life transition left her and her farm legally vulnerable. With help, she found her way through that experience all the wiser, and now uses her voice and legal knowledge to educate the farming community through her work at Farm Commons. Throughout the episode, Eva speaks to the power of finding healthy pathways forward in our relationships within the business, with each other and with the land. She reminds us that we have the power to create our own solutions and that we have significant creative power to (legally) cultivate the lady farmer life we’re dreaming of if we take the time to talk about our needs and goals. Mary, Emma and Eva also discuss how to cultivate a slow life as a hardworking homesteader and the important distinction between self-sufficiency and community resiliency.1:30 - Mary and Emma catch up and talk about Plastic Free July! 7:30 - Introducing Eva MossLet’s get into the episode: 9:25 - Eva introduces herself 18:30 - Creating a foundation...grounded in the law 21:30 - Eva’s homestead story 26:30 - Finding pathways 32:00 - A great place to start 39:30 - Looking ahead 47:00 - Setting boundaries 50:00 - Grappling with “homesteading” 57:00 - Carving out community 59:30 - What does the Good Dirt mean to you? Shop our Plastic Free July zero waste products in the marketplace! Use Code: plasticfreejuly for 15% OFF Things Mentioned:
Plastic Free July
Lady Farmer Marketplace
Heart Strong Farm
Farm Commons
North Carolina Farm Link
Land Link Montgomery
Thistle Farms
Cooperative Extension
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Jun 25, 2021 • 1h 3min
48. Curiosity, Creativity, and Community with Eva Kosmas Flores
This week, Mary and Emma have a wonderful conversation with photographer, chef, cookbook author, educator and entrepreneur turned homesteader, Eva Kosmas Flores. Eva shares her journey to the slow living lifestyle, led by an ancestral pull and deep familial ties that have guided her back to a connection with home, the garden, food, family and community. Always leading with curiosity, Eva talks about her new adventures as a homesteader and what she’s learning from the land. Throughout the episode, Mary, Emma and Eva talk about the pursuit of the creative life and how to make it work, native species, permaculture gardening and the complexity of our forest ecosystems. They also discuss their sustainable home projects, creating beautiful and enduring interiors, and the complicated decisions involved in the process. Eva reminds us that real life is an intersection of all the things we love, and we have permission to pursue all the parts of ourselves. 1:25 - Mary and Emma catch up and talk berries! 5:00 - Eva Kosmas Flores Let’s get into the episode: 6:20 - Eva introduces herself 15:50 - Finding and creating a homestead 21:00 - Forestry and restoring the soil 22:30 - The importance of native species 29:00 - Breaking ground 33:00 - A sustainable home 39:30 - Timeless, natural interiors 52:00 - Loving lots of things57:30 - What does the Good Dirt mean to you? Things Mentioned:
Eva Kosmas Flores
Adventures In Cooking
First We Eat
https://www.firstweeat.co
Adventures in Chicken
The Hidden Life of Trees
The National Scenic Area
Simplicity by Nancy Braithwaite
The Nature of Home by Jeffery Dungan
Braiding Sweetgrass
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Jun 19, 2021 • 43min
Juneteenth: A History and Reflection on Emancipation with Tony Cohen
We have a special bonus episode for you this week in celebration of our newest national holiday-- Juneteenth! Mary and Emma reunite with author, historian and farmer Tony Cohen for an exploration into the history of Juneteenth and the holiday’s complex folklore and origins. Tony takes us back in time to examine how this monumental declaration of freedom spread in a variety of ways depending on the geographic, economic and social landscape of the time.Mary, Emma and Tony pause to reflect upon what freedom means and looks like in the modern era and why society continues to resist a hard look at injustice. Tony points to how altering behavior can feel like giving up our own freedoms and comforts and reminds us that the fair trade movement has deeply historic roots. He also reflects upon the transition from enslavement to the tenant farming system and points to how that system affects us still today. The trio grapples with some hard truths about freedom itself and acknowledges the work still left to be done. Tony shares how he celebrates Juneteenth at Button Farm and rejoices in community as he reflects upon the precious ability to gather and take new found enthusiasm into the world. Let’s get into the episode:1:30 - Emma introduces this week’s special episode3:00 - Tony Cohen on the history of Juneteenth15:00 - The transition into freedom20:00 - The shift to “waged” labor and the evolution of slavery28:00 - Fair trade31:00 - Local emancipation41:00 - Celebrating Juneteenth42:30 - The happenings at Button Farm48:00 - Creating Community Things Mentioned:
Button Farm
Oprah’s visit
The Menare Foundation
HipCamp - Camp at Button Farm
Anthony Cohen
The Good Dirt - Episode 31
The AG Reserve - Montgomery County
The Underground railroad in Montgomery County, Maryland: A history and driving guide
Juneteenth becomes a federal holiday
Lift Every Voice and Sing
DC Emancipation Day
Montgomery County Historical Society
13th Amendment
14th Amendment
15th Amendment
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Jun 18, 2021 • 1h 7min
47. Fashion, Art and Mystical Stitches with Christi Johnson
On today’s episode of The Good Dirt, Mary and Emma have a conversation with artist, teacher and “sorceress of the stitch” Christi Johnson. Christi’s art reflects communion and connection with plants, revealing the hypnotic beauty of botanicals. Her work includes alchemy, herbalism, and images which are stitched slowly and methodically into fabric. Christi is dedicated to rejoining the art of embroidery with its complex and meaningful origins.Throughout the episode, Christi discusses her own history within the fashion industry. Mary, Emma and Christi remind us that “cheap is never a bargain” and discuss how many of the problems with manufacturing in the fashion industry are hidden from the consumer. Christi also dives into the concept of images as language, and talks about allowing the creative process to be a conversation between you and the work that is ever-changing and not predetermined. Christi discusses her dedication to experimentation, exploration and evolution in her work, shares her dream of bringing art and meaning back into traditional craft and how giving our art power in turn allows us to empower ourselves. Christi’s new book is entitled “Mystical Stitches: Embroidery for Personal Empowerment and Magical Embellishment”. THIS EPISODE IS BROUGHT TO YOU BY PLAINE PRODUCTS. USE CODE LADYFARMER FOR 20% OFF. Let’s get into the episode:1:30. Mary tells the story of her plant rescue mission9:00 - Christi Johnson, sorceress of the stitch 11:20 - Christi introduces herself 15:30 - Understanding composition 30:30 - The intersection between herbs and art 34:00 - A “good” price 37:30 - Images as language 52:00 - Working with the seasons 1:00 - Mystical Stitches 1:01 - What does the Good Dirt mean to you?Things Mentioned:
Mixed Color
Mystical Stitches
Magic Threads
Stitch Wish
Shop Plaine Products
Textile Arts Center
Doug Johnston
Emily Fisher: Haptic Lab
Braiding Sweetgrass
The ALMANAC Summer Enrollment
A History of the World in Seven Cheap Things
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Jun 11, 2021 • 49min
46. A Lady Farmer's Life with Michelle Aronson
In this episode, we talk with Lady Farmer and chef Michelle Aronson, creator of Farmbelly, an educational platform dedicated to sharing the love of growing, cooking, and eating wonderful food. Although Michelle wasn't particularly interested in cooking while growing up in the suburbs of the Midwest, once she moved to the Blue Ridge Mountains in Virginia for college, she I discovered her love for food and farming. After several summers apprenticing on different small-scale farms, and after managing an educational farm in Charlottesville, complete with laying hens, bee hives, and lots of eager student volunteers, she recognized that she needed to level up her cooking skills in order to enjoy the hard-earned fruits and veggies she was learning to grow.In the spring of 2013 Michelle attended culinary training at the Ballymaloe Cooking School, located on a 100-acre organic farm on the coast of Ireland, where almost all of the dairy, meat, vegetables, and herbs come straight from the fields into the teaching kitchens. Inspired by the incredible teachers, fresh ingredients, and straightforward culinary ethos at Ballymaloe, Michelle returned home to work in many sectors of the food/farming world, and ultimately to where she now lives on a beautiful 10-acre farm near Saxapahaw, North Carolina, cultivating a diverse market garden + farmstand, and teaching gardening + cooking classes. Michelle shares about her journey and her mission to make farm-fresh food accessible and less intimidating for folks...and to help everyone get a “farm belly." What's that? Listen in to find out! Timestamps, Links & ResourcesIntroduction:
Slow Living Intensive
The ALMANAC open enrollment
6:36: Introducing Michelle8:35: Michelle describes her journey10:27: Ballymaloe Culinary School in Ireland11:28: Starting Farmbelly12:33: A day in the life at Ballymaloe Culinary School16:17: What is a "farm belly" ? 18:45: Food culture now20:00 The value of sitting down together for a meal22:22 Focus on the farm24:00 The farmstand, how it works27:00 Cooking with the produce31:30: Planting season33:00 Lady Farmers34:00. Michelle's Inspiration38:30 Sustainability and good dirtFollow Michelle on Instagram @farmbelly or via her website!
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Jun 4, 2021 • 53min
45. Make, Thrift, Mend With Katrina Rodabaugh
On today’s episode of The Good Dirt, Mary and Emma sit down with artist, writer and teacher Katrina Rodabaugh to discuss her slow fashion journey, sustainability as a process, embracing imperfection and mending as healing. Katrina dives into her own outlook on embracing a more sustainable lifestyle, a process that takes place over time and many small steps. The three discuss the importance of accessibility in the movement, and how remembering the values of the past doesn't have to mean giving up the progress we have made as a society. They also talk about how slow fashion practices such as thrifting, mending and making are important as a disruption of the industry and a positive step towards change. A poet and fiber artist at heart, Katrina has published three books, Make Thrift Mend (2021); Mending Matters (2018); and The Paper Playhouse (2015). Her writing and artwork has appeared in publications such as the New York Times, Boston Globe, Martha Stewart Living, Mother Earth Living, Sewing Magazine, Sunset magazine, Sweet Paul Magazine, Taproot magazine, and more. Katrina currently lives with her artist husband and their young sons on a two-hundred-year-old farmhouse in Hudson Valley, New York where they grow dye plants, flowers, herbs, fruits, and vegetables while caring for chickens and honeybees. Let’s get into the episode:1:30 - Mary and Emma catch up and talk “cultivation” and upcoming events 4:00 - Katrina Rodabaugh: Artist, Writer, Teacher 5:20 - Katrina introduces herself 13:30 - Make Thrift Mend 20:00 - Accessible sustainability 34:00 - Remembering slow fashion 41:50 - Mending as healing 47:40 - What does the Good Dirt mean to you?Things Mentioned:
Slow Living Intensive
ALMANAC summer open enrollment
Make Thrift Mend
Mending Matters
Katrina Rodabaugh Studios
2013 Garment Factory Collapse
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May 28, 2021 • 33min
44. The Moon and the Emergence with Mary and Emma
On today’s episode, Mary and Emma sit down to talk about what’s currently captivating their interest and the latest happenings on the farm. Mary shares her experience and knowledge gardening by the moon and encourages the use of the lunar cycle as a framework for the things we want to cultivate in our lives. The mother and daughter duo discuss the mesmerizing emergence of the seventeen-year cicada and embrace the celebratory nature of the phenomenon. drawing the parallel of a cultural emergence that's unfolding a year after a worldwide lockdown. Let’s get into the episode:1:30 - Mary and Emma catch up and talk about gardening by the moon 11:30 - The 17 year cicada 19:00 - The insect sounds of summer 23:00 - Fireflies at the farm 23:50 - Upcoming events and announcements Things Mentioned:
Slow Living Intensive
The Farmer’s Almanac
The 17 year cicada
The Almanac
lady-farmer.com
Raising With the Moon: The Complete Guide to Gardening and Living By the Signs of the Moon by Jack R. Pyle and Taylor Reese
You and the Man and the Moon: The Complete Guide to Using the Almanac by Jack R. Pyle and Taylor Reese
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May 21, 2021 • 59min
43. Practice or Performance? Artistic Expression, Slow Living, and the Role of Social Media with Marlee Grace
On today’s episode of The Good Dirt, Mary and Emma talk with dancer, writer and quiltmaker Marlee Grace to consider the question, what are we practicing and showing up for in our day to day lives? Throughout the episode, Mary, Emma, and Marlee dig into the concept of “personal practice” as they reimagine art forms as a practice rather than a performance. Marlee shares why she stepped away from social media, questions the role it plays in our lives, and addresses the platform’s inherently performative nature. She also shares where she finds encouragement and inspiration, and reminds us to take our work seriously (but not ourselves). Marlee’s work focuses on the self, rituals of devotion, creativity, and art-making. Her practice is rooted in improvisation as a compositional form expressed through dance, writing, quilting, teaching, and hosting artists. Her dance project Personal Practice has been featured in the New York Times, Dance Magazine, Vanity Fair, and The Huffington Post. Marlee is the author of Getting to Center: Pathways to Finding Yourself. THIS EPISODE IS BROUGHT TO YOU BY PLAINE PRODUCTS. USE CODE LADYFARMER FOR 20% OFF!1:30 - Mary and Emma catch up and talk about natural dyeing and quilting! 6:40 - Dancer, Writer, and Quiltmaker Marlee Grace Let’s get into the episode:8:30 - Marlee Grace introduces herself 15:50 - Personal practice 24:20 - Escaping the chaotic and addictive loop of social media37:00 - Improvisational quilting 39:30 - What inspires and encourages you?45:30 - Slow living and its challenges 53:00 - What does the Good Dirt mean to you? Things Mentioned:
Natural Dye and Slow Fashion Pop Up
Line + Tow
Marleegrace.space
Getting to Center: Pathways to Finding Yourself Within the Great Unknown
New York Times feature
Vanity Fair feature
Huffingtonpost feature
Ten Arguments for Deleting Your Social Media Accounts Right Now
Parable of the Sower by Octavia E. Butler
The Freedom Quilting Bee
Acres of Ancestry Initiative
Natural Dyeing Intensive
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May 14, 2021 • 55min
42. A Passion for Wool: What’s Behind a Sustainable Supply Chain with Lani Estill
In today’s episode, Mary and Emma sit down with Lani Estill, founder of Lani’s Lana ~ Fine Rambouillet Wool; a commercial wool business and small yarn line based in Northern California. Alongside her family, Lani also owns and operates a vertically integrated diversified livestock ranch producing cattle, sheep, alfalfa and grass hay in the Northern California/Northern Nevada region. With the help of partners like Fibershed and the Carbon Cycle Institute, Lani’s family ranch is now running under a climate-fighting Carbon Farm Plan!Throughout the episode, Mary and Emma dig into Lani’s life on the ranch and chat about the complexities of owning and operating a truly sustainable supply chain. They also speak to the power of the consumer and talk about the soul satisfying decision to invest in climate beneficial products. 1:20 - Mary and Emma catch up and talk about upcoming events! Let’s get into the episode:9:30 - Lani’s Lana Wool!12:15 - Lani introduces herself 16:00 - Regeneration on the ranch20:00 - The early days at Fibershed 23:40 - Investing in carbon farming 30:00 - The team 32:30 - The sheep 35:10 - The fabrics 42:00 - The cost of climate beneficial products 49:00 - Dyers and natural dyes51:20 - What does the Good Dirt mean to you? Things Mentioned:
Kefir Workshop with Mary
Lani's Lana
Water mountain weavers
Fibershed
TGD - Rebecca Burgess
TGD - Elizabeth Cline
Northface Backyard Project
Carbon Cycle Institute
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May 7, 2021 • 58min
41. Fermented Foods for Health & Happiness with Kirsten Shockey
1:30 - Mary and Emma catch up and talk fermentation around the farm! 8:20 - Introducing Kirsten Shockey of Ferment Works Let’s get into the episode:10:30 - Kirsten introduces herself 16:50 - What is fermentation? 19:40 - Bioavailability22:40 - Fermentation vs Pickling 28:05 - The Wonderful World of Vinegar 34:50 - Fermentation School38:35 - Fermenting dairy 39:50 - Fermenting safety & policy...it’s safe y’all! 42:00 - Fermentation vs canning...fermentation for the win! 45:35 - Tips & tricks 47:55 - Kirsten’s favorite ferment 49:20 - Gateway ferment for getting started! 51:50 - What does the Good Dirt mean to you? 52:55 - Don’t be afraid and you've got thisKirsten's Books:
The Big Book of Cidermaking; (award winning) Miso, Tempeh, Natto & Other Tasty Ferments
Fiery Ferments
Homebrewed Vinegar
Fermented Vegetables
Things Mentioned:
Upcoming Kefir Workshop
Ferment Works
Plaine Products 20% OFF with CODE: ladyfarmer
fermentationschool.com
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