Out Of The Clouds

Rahshaana Green is a multidisciplinary wellness consultant who combines her knowledge and experience in science, yoga and building human connection to help people heal. She’s a Forrest Yoga Guardian and the Director of Equity and Contemplative Psychotherapy at the Nalanda Institute, where she directs and teaches within the Contemplative Psychotherapy Programs.In their conversation, Rahshaana tells Anne about being a curious kid, a high performer and voracious reader who used books as windows into other worlds. She talks about how she learned the power of agency from her mother, who taught her and her siblings, with a ‘scared-straight’ approach, how to make choices to take life into the direction they intended. The oldest of four, Rahshaana admits that her choices were also a potential blueprint for her siblings, and how a desire to influence them positively led her to pursue an early career in science. After receiving her BA in Biophysical Chemistry from Dartmouth College and an MBA from The University of Texas at Austin, Rahshaana talks about how she combined her passion for science and business skills, which led her to pursue a fifteen-year career in Marketing and Business Development for medical device and life science companies.Rahshaana then explains how an accident directed her towards yoga — Forrest Yoga specifically. Able to heal herself through this practice, she tells Anne how she made the choice to certify as a teacher and with the support of an amazing manager was able to do so in parallel to her career. She continued to pursue a personal study in meditation, mindfulness and compassion practices to deepen her own growth and to empower others to cultivate well-being and resilience.Reaching the present, Anne asks Rahshaana to talk through her journey that led her to the Nalanda Institute in Contemplative Science (which is, incidentally, how the two became acquainted). Rahshaana talks in depth about the programs she teaches in Compassion-Based Resilience Training (CBRT). And who needs to explore CBRT? Probably everyone, according to her, because, as we can probably all attest, ‘human-ing’ is hard. To conclude, the pair discusses how the power of compassion and mindfulness combined can help people access emotions, including difficult emotions, and become resilient to feelings like discomfort. And they talk about the importance of intimacy — a word that can describe the connection we can hope to have with the body — as a form of ultimate intelligence. A profound and inspiring conversation. Happy listening!*** Selected Links from EpisodeYou can find Rahshaana via her website - https://www.rahshaanagreen.com/On Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/rahshaana.greenOn Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/rahshaanag/and on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/rahshaana-green-71aa164The Nanlanda  Institute for Contemplative Science - https://nalandainstitute.org/Compassion-Based Resilience Training - https://nalandainstitute.org/compassion-based-resilience-training/Forrest Yoga - https://forrest.yoga/Listen to Rahshaana on Wonderstruck with Elizabeth Rovere - https://youtu.be/CgeTd79UEIU?si=BWtBwj__KZUFrd-ORev. angel Kyodo williams - https://revangel.com/The song I Want A Little Sugar In My Bowl by Nina Simone - https://open.spotify.com/track/3NcJu9876GBJuNU6vJOrbb?si=528cf781c02b42dcThe book Song of Increase by Jacqueline Freeman - https://www.amazon.com/Song-Increase-Listening-Honeybees-Beekeeping/dp/1622037448***If you enjoyed this episode, click subscribe for more, and consider writing a review of the show on Apple Podcasts, we really appreciate your support and feedback. And thank you  so much for listening! For all notes and transcripts, please visit Out Of The Clouds on Simplecast - https://out-of-the-clouds.simplecast.com/  Sign up for Anne's email newsletter for more from Out of the Clouds at https://annevmuhlethaler.com. Follow Anne: IG: @_outoftheclouds or  @annvi  @annvi.bsky.social This episode is brought to you by Le TrenteAre you a purpose-driven individual seeking clarity in your personal narrative? Is your brand struggling to communicate authentically with your audience? Looking for a thought partnership that transforms how you connect with the world?Le Trente is a global community that emboldens purpose-driven individuals and organizations to communicate authentically. Headquartered in Geneva but serving clients worldwide, we coach both individuals and brands through their communication journey—from identity exploration to strategy development—all grounded in mindful leadership and compassionate, holistic communication.Our mission is to be a catalyst for positive change. We inspire open-minded people and organisations to build better worlds through community-building salons, strategic consulting, mindful coaching and storytelling.Ready to transform your approach to communication and create ripples of positive change? Get in touch, we like to make magic happen. FIND OUT MORE ABOUT LE TRENTE HERE. *** If you enjoyed this episode, click subscribe for more, and consider writing a review of the show on Apple Podcasts, we really appreciate your support and feedback. And thank you so much for listening!For all notes and transcripts, please visit Out Of The Clouds on Simplecast - https://out-of-the-clouds.simplecast.com/Sign up for Anne's email newsletter for more from Out of the Clouds at https://outoftheclouds.com.Follow Anne and Out of the Clouds: IG: @_outoftheclouds or @annvi Or on Threads @annvi On Youtube @OutoftheCloudsFor more, you can read and subscribe to Anne's Substack, the Mettā View, her weekly dose of insights on coaching, brand development, the future of work, and storytelling, with a hint of mindfulness.

Etienne Salborn is the founder of SINA (the Social Innovation Academy), a talent campus in Uganda. He also serves as a lecturer for social entrepreneurship at the Management Center Innsbruck and the ESCP Business School, resource person for the Asian Productivity Organization and facilitator for the ChangemakerXchange. His expertise and leadership have earned him recognition as an “AACSB Influential Leader 2021” and he was named an Innovation Ecosystem Builder Fellow by MIT D-lab in 2018.The Berlin-born social entrepreneur has had quite the life journey since taking off for Uganda at age 18 for a volunteering community service (an option to eschew the German military service). In his conversation with Anne, he tells her about how he set up his first and then second non-profit organisations after he found his life’s mission: to support the empowerment of marginalised youth in rural Uganda. We discuss his very special master’s program in Austria, called Peace, Development, Security and International Conflict Transformation, and how it led him into a journey of self-discovery and experiential learning (which included simulation of a conflict war zone as well as mindfulness, meditation and contemplation on Austria’s mountains in minus 27 degree Celsius).Etienne explains how SINA came to be, what three pillars underpin the project and how young students, or SINA scholars, are onboarded and grow their roles within the community, built as a self-organised system that runs on what the concept of ‘freesponsibility’ (freedom + responsibility). With people living and working in the community, Etienne explains how they have used models from Nonviolent Communication, holacracy, and his master’s program facilitation tools to help navigate change, conflict and feedback — something of a challenge in a flat structure of 60+ individuals. SINA’s goal is to help young people unleash their potential, create their own change and build their own social enterprises. Etienne shares how SINA has grown into a replicable model, building a new generation of social entrepreneurs who are solving challenges for society and the environment. With more than 12 communities across Uganda and other African countries, Etienne talks about what’s next, how we can support, engage with and even visit SINA, and why we should all explore the power of community. A unique interview with a thoughtful and impact-driven changemaker. Enjoy! ***Selected links from episode Find out more about SINA on their website : https://socialinnovationacademy.org/And more about Etienne on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/etiennesalborn/MCI, the Entrepreneurial School in Innsbruck, Austria - https://www.mci.edu/en/Find out about the masters Etienne studied at the University of Innsbruck - https://www.uibk.ac.at/peacestudies/ma-program/index.html.enMore about UPeace, the UN's University for Peace - https://www.upeace.org/The book Reinventing Organisations by Frederic Lalou: https://www.reinventingorganizations.com/Chapter One, the book by Daniel Flynn - https://au.shop.thankyou.co/products/chapter-one-bookYou can support SINA by purchasing products made by some of the social entrepreneur scholars retailing on Amazon:Ouroots natural drinking strawsTotya Platform oven gloves produced by survivors of sexual violenceClothing pegs from recycled plastic produced in the Bidibidi Refugee Settlement And here's Etienne's musical answer to the question 'what song best represents you/': https://open.spotify.com/intl-de/album/4WEWvXqZWhSKZRqWJ6lhDG***If you enjoyed this episode, click subscribe for more, and consider writing a review of the show on Apple Podcasts, we really appreciate your support and feedback. And thank you  so much for listening! For all notes and transcripts, please visit Out Of The Clouds on Simplecast - https://out-of-the-clouds.simplecast.com/  Sign up for Anne's email newsletter for more from Out of the Clouds at https://annevmuhlethaler.com. Follow Anne: IG: @_outoftheclouds or  @annvi   This episode is brought to you by Le TrenteAre you a purpose-driven individual seeking clarity in your personal narrative? Is your brand struggling to communicate authentically with your audience? Looking for a thought partnership that transforms how you connect with the world?Le Trente is a global community that emboldens purpose-driven individuals and organizations to communicate authentically. Headquartered in Geneva but serving clients worldwide, we coach both individuals and brands through their communication journey—from identity exploration to strategy development—all grounded in mindful leadership and compassionate, holistic communication.Our mission is to be a catalyst for positive change. We inspire open-minded people and organisations to build better worlds through community-building salons, strategic consulting, mindful coaching and storytelling.Ready to transform your approach to communication and create ripples of positive change? Get in touch, we like to make magic happen. FIND OUT MORE ABOUT LE TRENTE HERE. *** If you enjoyed this episode, click subscribe for more, and consider writing a review of the show on Apple Podcasts, we really appreciate your support and feedback. And thank you so much for listening!For all notes and transcripts, please visit Out Of The Clouds on Simplecast - https://out-of-the-clouds.simplecast.com/Sign up for Anne's email newsletter for more from Out of the Clouds at https://outoftheclouds.com.Follow Anne and Out of the Clouds: IG: @_outoftheclouds or @annvi Or on Threads @annvi On Youtube @OutoftheCloudsFor more, you can read and subscribe to Anne's Substack, the Mettā View, her weekly dose of insights on coaching, brand development, the future of work, and storytelling, with a hint of mindfulness.

Anaïs Sagesser is an impact-driven educational entrepreneur, learning designer, teacher and coach. Anaïs co-founded the non-profit Scaling4Good, she co-creates pioneering leadership development programs with the University of St Gallen, and was recently elected as a member for the scientific advisory board for transdisciplinarity at the Swiss Academies of Sciences. She also offers mindfulness and compassion practices in English and German on Insight Timer.  Broadly speaking, Anaïs is dedicated to societal transformation through personal transformation, social equity and systems change.In this interview, Anaïs tells Anne about how a trip abroad at age 15 opened up her perspective as to how a human life could unfold. She also shares the twists and turns that led her to study many different subjects, from business to comparative religious and Islamic studies, before landing herself a job in management consulting. She talks about seeking to serve and contribute to society, and how she went from her consulting role in business engineering and enterprise architecture to her involvement in the climate crisis response, becoming Swiss director and co-leader of Climate-KIC, the largest public-private partnership to foster innovation and entrepreneurship for climate change mitigation and adaptation.Anaïs also shares how she went on to leave Climate-KIC to co-found the non-profit Scaling4Good, which aims to connect impact initiatives and institutions who are trying to do good to enable greater and faster systems change.As Anne and Anaïs are both coaches and mindfulness and yoga teachers, they discuss the modalities of coaching, the search for meaning and purpose and how we all have this innate desire to do something good. Anaïs writes regularly on the topics of values and leadership, and offers her thoughts about the disconnection between individual and collectively held values. Anaïs also shares with Anne her favourite tips to connect with nature, culminating with the question: Who are you that I am also, and who am I that you are too?A deep and insightful interview with a remarkable changemaker. Happy listening! ***Selected links from episode :You can find out more about Anaïs on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/anaissaegesser/Wikipedia (German) - https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ana%C3%AFs_S%C3%A4gesserand meditate with her (again in English and German) on Insight Timer - https://insighttimer.com/anaissaegesserFind out more about Scaling4Good - https://scaling4good.com/And the course in Regenerative Leadership Anaïs co-leads for the University of St. Gallen - https://es.unisg.ch/en/executive-programme/regenerative-leadership/ and a blog post she wrote about it- https://csi.unisg.ch/en/teaching/regenerative-leadership/Loving Kindness or Mettā meditation (Maitri in Sanskrit) - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maitr%C4%ABSivananda - https://sivananda.org/Caring Economics by Tania Singer and Matthieu Ricard with a foreword by his holiness the Dalai Lama - https://www.amazon.com/Caring-Economics-Conversations-Compassion-Scientists/dp/1250064120Tania Singer - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tania_SingerClimate Kick - https://www.climate-kic.org/Mahadevi Yoga Centre in London - https://mahadevicentre.com/ *** If you enjoyed this episode, click subscribe for more, and consider writing a review of the show on Apple Podcasts, we really appreciate your support and feedback. And thank you  so much for listening! For all notes and transcripts, please visit Out Of The Clouds on Simplecast - https://out-of-the-clouds.simplecast.com/  Sign up for Anne's email newsletter for more from Out of the Clouds at https://annevmuhlethaler.com. Follow Anne: IG: @_outoftheclouds or  @annvi   This episode is brought to you by Le TrenteAre you a purpose-driven individual seeking clarity in your personal narrative? Is your brand struggling to communicate authentically with your audience? Looking for a thought partnership that transforms how you connect with the world?Le Trente is a global community that emboldens purpose-driven individuals and organizations to communicate authentically. Headquartered in Geneva but serving clients worldwide, we coach both individuals and brands through their communication journey—from identity exploration to strategy development—all grounded in mindful leadership and compassionate, holistic communication.Our mission is to be a catalyst for positive change. We inspire open-minded people and organisations to build better worlds through community-building salons, strategic consulting, mindful coaching and storytelling.Ready to transform your approach to communication and create ripples of positive change? Get in touch, we like to make magic happen. FIND OUT MORE ABOUT LE TRENTE HERE. *** If you enjoyed this episode, click subscribe for more, and consider writing a review of the show on Apple Podcasts, we really appreciate your support and feedback. And thank you so much for listening!For all notes and transcripts, please visit Out Of The Clouds on Simplecast - https://out-of-the-clouds.simplecast.com/Sign up for Anne's email newsletter for more from Out of the Clouds at https://outoftheclouds.com.Follow Anne and Out of the Clouds: IG: @_outoftheclouds or @annvi Or on Threads @annvi On Youtube @OutoftheCloudsFor more, you can read and subscribe to Anne's Substack, the Mettā View, her weekly dose of insights on coaching, brand development, the future of work, and storytelling, with a hint of mindfulness.

Gemma Colao is the co-founder and creative director of OTO (which rhymes with ‘photo’), a UK brand that was created to answer her desire to share the wonder of CBD with as many people as possible through luxurious products and meaningful experiences.Gemma first talks to Anne about her fashion career, as a knitwear designer, and how she was drawn to design and ready-to-wear, inspired by her artist grandmother’s bold bohemian style. She started her career with an internship at DKNY, and after graduating from Central St Martins, Gemma worked for the likes of Clements Ribeiro before turning to Esprit and Marks & Spencers, among others. Gemma explains how she jumped on the opportunity to move to the US thanks to her husband. She tells Anne how the pace combined with the workload from her design job took a toll on her and how, sleep-deprived, she was battling anxiety and burnout — that is, until she found CBD. After a colleague made the suggestion to give it a try, Gemma shares what a revelation (or revolution, perhaps) this was for her. Thankfully, she felt the effects of CBD quickly, improving first the quality of her sleep, which in turn lessened her anxiety. This of course had a huge impact on the quality of her life. Inspired as she was by the possibilities offered by CBD, Gemma recounts how she and her husband then set out to open the first legal online dispensary in California. Later on, the couple returned to the UK to find that the quality of CBD products offered in that market was much lower, so Gemma explains how she saw this as an opportunity and that’s when they decided to create OTO. Anne herself admits knowing very little about CBD, so the two talk about the nitty gritty of what makes OTO CBD products effective and why they are formulated to feel luxurious but are also backed by science. Gemma shares her vision to build a brand that people can trust, and one that focuses on efficacy as well as experiences and moments, whether from the brand’s sleep drops, skincare or their new spa products and beverages (OTO made the first CBD bitters in the world). Anne also asks Gemma to speak to OTO’s recent acquisition of the wellness group South West Brands and how she hopes that the newly formed OTO Group becomes a portfolio of global female-focused wellness brands. Finally, the two exchange on their rituals, gratitude, journaling practises and what keeps Gemma grounded and balanced day to day, busy as she is with OTO and her two little boys at home. A rich and engaging interview with a highly creative entrepreneur. Happy listening!***You can find out more about Gemma and OTO at OTO CBD - https://otocbd.com/If you are in the US at https://us.otowellbeing.com/Connect with Gemma on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/gemma-colao/And you can follow the brand on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/oto_wellbeing/Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/otowellbeingTikTok - https://www.tiktok.com/@oto_wellbeingYoutube - https://www.youtube.com/@oto_wellbeingAnd LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/company/otowellbeing/***If you enjoyed this episode, click subscribe for more, and consider writing a review of the show on Apple Podcasts, we really appreciate your support and feedback. And thank you  so much for listening! For all notes and transcripts, please visit Out Of The Clouds on Simplecast - https://out-of-the-clouds.simplecast.com/  Sign up for Anne's email newsletter for more from Out of the Clouds at https://annevmuhlethaler.com. Follow Anne: IG: @_outoftheclouds or  @annvi   This episode is brought to you by Le TrenteAre you a purpose-driven individual seeking clarity in your personal narrative? Is your brand struggling to communicate authentically with your audience? Looking for a thought partnership that transforms how you connect with the world?Le Trente is a global community that emboldens purpose-driven individuals and organizations to communicate authentically. Headquartered in Geneva but serving clients worldwide, we coach both individuals and brands through their communication journey—from identity exploration to strategy development—all grounded in mindful leadership and compassionate, holistic communication.Our mission is to be a catalyst for positive change. We inspire open-minded people and organisations to build better worlds through community-building salons, strategic consulting, mindful coaching and storytelling.Ready to transform your approach to communication and create ripples of positive change? Get in touch, we like to make magic happen. FIND OUT MORE ABOUT LE TRENTE HERE. *** If you enjoyed this episode, click subscribe for more, and consider writing a review of the show on Apple Podcasts, we really appreciate your support and feedback. And thank you so much for listening!For all notes and transcripts, please visit Out Of The Clouds on Simplecast - https://out-of-the-clouds.simplecast.com/Sign up for Anne's email newsletter for more from Out of the Clouds at https://outoftheclouds.com.Follow Anne and Out of the Clouds: IG: @_outoftheclouds or @annvi Or on Threads @annvi On Youtube @OutoftheCloudsFor more, you can read and subscribe to Anne's Substack, the Mettā View, her weekly dose of insights on coaching, brand development, the future of work, and storytelling, with a hint of mindfulness.

Deep Kailey (@IamDeepKailey) is a creative director, consultant and the artistic director of ‘Without Shape Without Form’ (WSWF), an interactive travelling exhibition that bridges the gap between art, spirituality and mental health, approached from the lens of Sikh wisdom. Prior to that, Deep held roles at Dazed and Confused, with Kim Jones and at Vogue India, and at one time was the fashion director for Tatler magazine. It’s in the context of fashion that Anne Muhlethaler, host of OOTC, became acquainted with Deep, when she was starting out as fashion editor for Vogue India in London. In this conversation, the two start with a tale of Deep asking herself ‘the big questions’ as a girl, after the passing of her mother. They talk about her journey through art school, fashion, how she found her way to Dazed and Confused, under Nichola Formichetti, and later her work as managing director for designer Kim Jones, who’s now at Dior and Fendi, respectively, as head of mens and womenswear. They move on to cover the story of how Deep found herself reconnecting with her Sikh roots in her late twenties, and she explains the meaning of the ‘game’ and the work of Simran, the focused practise for the mind (which sounds like but isn’t the same as meditation) that guided her to discover her own purpose and self-alignment. After cultivating this spiritual practise for many years, Deep has been working with a team of volunteers on WSWF, first an exhibition and now turned arts organisation, which offers visitors an experience that bridges the gap between art, spirituality and mental health. The project is meant to transcend cultural, social and racial barriers, and explores its subjects through Sikh teachings, bringing them into a contemporary context. Anne and Deep also discuss personal values, the dark power of gossip, the meaning of connection (and its opposite), and compare metaphors of inner landscapes and inner abodes, self-concept and safety. A very spiritual, resourced and open conversation. Happy listening!***You can find Deep via her website https://deepkailey.com/On Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/iamdeepkailey/Without Shape Without Form - https://www.withoutshapewithoutform.com/Simran - https://www.withoutshapewithoutform.com/simran-1Sikhi - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SikhismDazed & Confused - https://www.dazeddigital.com/Nicola Formichetti - http://www.nicolaformichetti.com/aboutKim Jones - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Jones_(designer)Anna Harvey - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_HarveyVogue India - https://www.vogue.in/Bandana Tewari - https://www.businessoffashion.com/community/people/bandana-tewariCondé Nast - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cond%C3%A9_NastTatler Magazine - https://www.tatler.com/Kate Reardon - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kate_ReardonThe Guru Grant Sahib Ji, the holy book of scripturesDeep's Gurdwara is the Guru Maneyo Granth Gurdwara in Slough, U.K.The song/kirtan she chose is ਪਿਛਲੇਅਉਗੁਣਬਖਸਿਲਏਪ੍ਰਭੁਆਗੈਮਾਰਗਿਪਾਵੈ।।੨।।or : pishhalae aougun bakhas leae prabh aagai maarag paavai ||2||***If you enjoyed this episode, click subscribe for more, and consider writing a review of the show on Apple Podcasts, we really appreciate your support and feedback. And thank you  so much for listening! For all notes and transcripts, please visit Out Of The Clouds on Simplecast - https://out-of-the-clouds.simplecast.com/  Sign up for Anne's email newsletter for more from Out of the Clouds at https://annevmuhlethaler.com. Follow Anne: IG: @_outoftheclouds or  @annvi    This episode is brought to you by Le TrenteAre you a purpose-driven individual seeking clarity in your personal narrative? Is your brand struggling to communicate authentically with your audience? Looking for a thought partnership that transforms how you connect with the world?Le Trente is a global community that emboldens purpose-driven individuals and organizations to communicate authentically. Headquartered in Geneva but serving clients worldwide, we coach both individuals and brands through their communication journey—from identity exploration to strategy development—all grounded in mindful leadership and compassionate, holistic communication.Our mission is to be a catalyst for positive change. We inspire open-minded people and organisations to build better worlds through community-building salons, strategic consulting, mindful coaching and storytelling.Ready to transform your approach to communication and create ripples of positive change? Get in touch, we like to make magic happen. FIND OUT MORE ABOUT LE TRENTE HERE. *** If you enjoyed this episode, click subscribe for more, and consider writing a review of the show on Apple Podcasts, we really appreciate your support and feedback. And thank you so much for listening!For all notes and transcripts, please visit Out Of The Clouds on Simplecast - https://out-of-the-clouds.simplecast.com/Sign up for Anne's email newsletter for more from Out of the Clouds at https://outoftheclouds.com.Follow Anne and Out of the Clouds: IG: @_outoftheclouds or @annvi Or on Threads @annvi On Youtube @OutoftheCloudsFor more, you can read and subscribe to Anne's Substack, the Mettā View, her weekly dose of insights on coaching, brand development, the future of work, and storytelling, with a hint of mindfulness.

Kamil Tyebally is the founder of Early Spring NYC, a company that works at the crossroads between events, culture, connection and marketing, to create immersive brand events.Kamil’s is an unusual story, and he starts by telling Anne how he went from Singapore to Myanmar to Thailand in his teens, and how he first discovered that life experience could match academic performance. His early passion for taking pictures led him to follow a path in photo-journalism in NYC at first, and Kamil explains about how his father sparked his adventurous spirit, which led him to meet his future self in Mexico City and develop two book projects that took him to Algiers (Algeria) and later to Baghdad (Iraq).Coming back to NYC, Kamil landed in marketing and business development. But, he tells Anne how he was set on getting a job at the innovative Fake Love company. This mission took him on a journey to explore culture, connection, technology and empathy — where, at the end, he found himself as the co-creative for immersive experiential events at Fake Love. Kamil’s artistic leanings and his keenness to find what makes people tick is neatly encompassed when he talks with Anne about creating value beyond transaction and sparking moments of connections at his events. Kamil launched his company, Early Spring, just before the start of the pandemic with the objective (and the tagline) of ‘engineering serendipity’ — which he describes as finding what people need before they even know they need it themselves. The two close the conversation by discussing vulnerability, instinct and finding a connection to their roots. A wide-ranging and fascinating interview with a thoughtful entrepreneur. Happy listening! ***Selected links from episode You can find Kamil on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/kamiltyebally/on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/nyiskillingme/His company website is https://earlyspring.nyc/His personal website is - http://www.nyiskillingme.com/Fake Love - https://www.linkedin.com/company/fake-love/Refinery 29 - https://www.refinery29.com/29 Rooms by Refinery 29 - https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/29roomsThe Shwedagon Pagoda in Yangon - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shwedagon_PagodaThe School of Visual Arts in NYC - https://sva.edu/Algiers, the Algerian capital - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AlgiersL'Usage du monde, the book by Nicholas Bouvier - https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%27Usage_du_mondeand in English 'The Way of the World' The Stranger, book by Albert Camus - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Stranger_(Camus_novel)The song New  York is Killing Me by Gill Scott Heron - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiuorrXsngMAmritsar in Punjab - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AmritsarAn Era of Darkness, the book by Shashi Taroor - https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/32618967-an-era-of-darkness***If you enjoyed this episode, click subscribe for more, and consider writing a review of the show on Apple Podcasts, we really appreciate your support and feedback. And thank you  so much for listening! For all notes and transcripts, please visit Out Of The Clouds on Simplecast - https://out-of-the-clouds.simplecast.com/  Sign up for Anne's email newsletter for more from Out of the Clouds at https://annevmuhlethaler.com. Follow Anne: IG: @_outoftheclouds or  @annvi    This episode is brought to you by Le TrenteAre you a purpose-driven individual seeking clarity in your personal narrative? Is your brand struggling to communicate authentically with your audience? Looking for a thought partnership that transforms how you connect with the world?Le Trente is a global community that emboldens purpose-driven individuals and organizations to communicate authentically. Headquartered in Geneva but serving clients worldwide, we coach both individuals and brands through their communication journey—from identity exploration to strategy development—all grounded in mindful leadership and compassionate, holistic communication.Our mission is to be a catalyst for positive change. We inspire open-minded people and organisations to build better worlds through community-building salons, strategic consulting, mindful coaching and storytelling.Ready to transform your approach to communication and create ripples of positive change? Get in touch, we like to make magic happen. FIND OUT MORE ABOUT LE TRENTE HERE. *** If you enjoyed this episode, click subscribe for more, and consider writing a review of the show on Apple Podcasts, we really appreciate your support and feedback. And thank you so much for listening!For all notes and transcripts, please visit Out Of The Clouds on Simplecast - https://out-of-the-clouds.simplecast.com/Sign up for Anne's email newsletter for more from Out of the Clouds at https://outoftheclouds.com.Follow Anne and Out of the Clouds: IG: @_outoftheclouds or @annvi Or on Threads @annvi On Youtube @OutoftheCloudsFor more, you can read and subscribe to Anne's Substack, the Mettā View, her weekly dose of insights on coaching, brand development, the future of work, and storytelling, with a hint of mindfulness.

Tal Zur is a trained industrial designer who lectures at the Holon Institute of Technology. She is also the co-founder of Iota Project, a Tel Aviv-based lifestyle start-up with the goal to create social impact through design. At the core of this enterprise is an ancient technology, or rather, a technique: crochet.In this interview, Tal talks to Anne about how she came to study industrial design, curatorship and patisserie (an eclectic combination), how she chose to move away from working in fashion and, while she was considering the next steps in her career, how she had a serendipitous connection with her co-founder, Shula Mozes, the one to brainstorm the idea of crochet as the basis for their social mission. Tal explains how industrial design is like a methodology and how she became inclined to approach crochet in a modern way, all the while drawing on old Greek doilies as inspiration. As she tells it, crochet can be communicated and replicated like one could a piece of music, and that’s how Iota Project is able to share design drawings with women and collaborate with skilled communities over several countries. Anne and Tal also discuss the meaning and importance of slow design, and how Iota Project aims to create sustainable social impact by being a platform for change, which includes putting the opportunity in the hands of the consumers, designers, architects and other entities that will engage with their products. The two finish by talking about how Tal approaches her life as a mother (of three!) while being an entrepreneur, the importance of trust and not micromanaging when working remotely, and how teaching in front of design students twice a week is a bubble that keeps her feeling creatively connected. A very inspiring interview with a compelling and fascinating woman. Enjoy!  ***You can find more about Iota Project and Tal at https://iotaproject.com/as well as connect with them on Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/iotahandstitched/and Instagram - https://www.facebook.com/iotahandstitched/And you can find Tal on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tal-zur-4b17a434/Hulon Institute of Technology - https://www.hit.ac.il/enIl Camino de Santiago - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camino_de_SantiagoThe ICA Museum in Boston - https://www.icaboston.org/visitThe exhibition Fiber Sculpture from 1960 until today - https://www.icaboston.org/exhibitions/fiber-sculpture-1960%E2%80%93presentJaipur Rugs - https://www.jaipurrugs.com/The current range of swings by Iota Project - https://iotaproject.com/?s=swingThe Peugeot x Iota Project collaboration - https://iotaproject.com/blog/peugeot-automotive-2016-2017-2/Her book of choice is the History of Love by Nicole Krauss - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_History_of_LoveTal's choice of song is Blackbird by the Beatles - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Man4Xw8XypoThe playlist from Out of the Clouds - https://open.spotify.com/playlist/4Viqm1uiiHtM5Y0FwTCtFR?si=07e38d1790614665***If you enjoyed this episode, click subscribe for more, and consider writing a review of the show on Apple Podcasts, we really appreciate your support and feedback. And thank you  so much for listening! For all notes and transcripts, please visit Out Of The Clouds on Simplecast - https://out-of-the-clouds.simplecast.com/  Sign up for Anne's email newsletter for more from Out of the Clouds at https://annevmuhlethaler.com. Follow Anne: IG: @_outoftheclouds or  @annvi   This episode is brought to you by Le TrenteAre you a purpose-driven individual seeking clarity in your personal narrative? Is your brand struggling to communicate authentically with your audience? Looking for a thought partnership that transforms how you connect with the world?Le Trente is a global community that emboldens purpose-driven individuals and organizations to communicate authentically. Headquartered in Geneva but serving clients worldwide, we coach both individuals and brands through their communication journey—from identity exploration to strategy development—all grounded in mindful leadership and compassionate, holistic communication.Our mission is to be a catalyst for positive change. We inspire open-minded people and organisations to build better worlds through community-building salons, strategic consulting, mindful coaching and storytelling.Ready to transform your approach to communication and create ripples of positive change? Get in touch, we like to make magic happen. FIND OUT MORE ABOUT LE TRENTE HERE. *** If you enjoyed this episode, click subscribe for more, and consider writing a review of the show on Apple Podcasts, we really appreciate your support and feedback. And thank you so much for listening!For all notes and transcripts, please visit Out Of The Clouds on Simplecast - https://out-of-the-clouds.simplecast.com/Sign up for Anne's email newsletter for more from Out of the Clouds at https://outoftheclouds.com.Follow Anne and Out of the Clouds: IG: @_outoftheclouds or @annvi Or on Threads @annvi On Youtube @OutoftheCloudsFor more, you can read and subscribe to Anne's Substack, the Mettā View, her weekly dose of insights on coaching, brand development, the future of work, and storytelling, with a hint of mindfulness.

Cécile Duranton is the managing director of Time for the Planet, a trail-blazing non-profit citizen fund detecting and financing climate change innovations.Before joining Time for the Planet, Cécile trained as an agronomy engineer, as she is passionate about nature, animals, agriculture and food systems. The young French woman tells Anne how she left home at 14 to attend a specialist highschool to continue to ride and train horses, and later to intern in the UK and in Vietnam. Cécile thrived in her travels, and shares how she discovered that bonds can be formed even when one doesn’t speak the local language (though clearly she loves trying). As a business developer for different French companies, she has worked extensively across South East Asia. Living the expat lifestyle, Cécile discusses why she chose to learn new languages — to better understand the culture and build strong relationships and an international network at the same time. Cécile explains how she chose to study in Brazil, and later in New Zealand, and how she ended up turning from the engineering side to the business development side of the industry, changing the arc of her career. She also tells Anne how she got involved in sustainability and, in particular, climate change before making it her first mission. Cécile designs and executes the international strategy of Time for the Planet, so Anne asks her about the mission of the business, how they inspire action in citizens, how they built their model to have maximum impact, why they have a low threshold to entry (you can become a shareholder for as little as 1 euro) and how changing their communication around climate change transformed their business from doom-inaction model to one charged with hope, energy and powering individual action. A fascinating and motivating conversation. Happy listening!  ***Selected links from episode You can connect with Cecile via LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/cecile-duranton-71469b83/Or discover the project Time for the Planet here - https://join-time.com/enPircicaba, Brazil where Cécile studied - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PiracicabaThe Patagonia letter to shareholders from September 2022 - https://www.patagoniaworks.com/press/2022/9/14/patagonias-next-chapter-earth-is-now-our-only-shareholderWhere to measure your carbon footprint - https://www.carbonfootprint.com/calculator.aspxCécile's interview on the podcast 'Fille Xpats' (in French) - https://fillexpats.com/77-france/Fair Phone - https://www.fairphone.com/The book Man's Search for Meaning by Viktor Frankl - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man%27s_Search_for_MeaningThe book Why We Sleep by Matthew Walker - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Why_We_Sleep This episode is brought to you by Le TrenteAre you a purpose-driven individual seeking clarity in your personal narrative? Is your brand struggling to communicate authentically with your audience? Looking for a thought partnership that transforms how you connect with the world?Le Trente is a global community that emboldens purpose-driven individuals and organizations to communicate authentically. Headquartered in Geneva but serving clients worldwide, we coach both individuals and brands through their communication journey—from identity exploration to strategy development—all grounded in mindful leadership and compassionate, holistic communication.Our mission is to be a catalyst for positive change. We inspire open-minded people and organisations to build better worlds through community-building salons, strategic consulting, mindful coaching and storytelling.Ready to transform your approach to communication and create ripples of positive change? Get in touch, we like to make magic happen. FIND OUT MORE ABOUT LE TRENTE HERE. *** If you enjoyed this episode, click subscribe for more, and consider writing a review of the show on Apple Podcasts, we really appreciate your support and feedback. And thank you so much for listening!For all notes and transcripts, please visit Out Of The Clouds on Simplecast - https://out-of-the-clouds.simplecast.com/Sign up for Anne's email newsletter for more from Out of the Clouds at https://outoftheclouds.com.Follow Anne and Out of the Clouds: IG: @_outoftheclouds or @annvi Or on Threads @annvi On Youtube @OutoftheCloudsFor more, you can read and subscribe to Anne's Substack, the Mettā View, her weekly dose of insights on coaching, brand development, the future of work, and storytelling, with a hint of mindfulness.

Kate Socatiyanurak is one of the co-founders of Merandi, a startup based in Bangkok, Thailand, focusing on luxury bag inserts and accessories crafted out of Thai silk. The twenty-five-year-old entrepreneur talks to Anne about her journey from boarding school to a masters at London School of Economics to content creation for luxury brands once she was back in Thailand. Kate shares how Merandi, the brand, was born from a single conversation with her friend and other co-founder, Grace. The savvy marketer also talks about branding, the importance of a strong unique selling point and corporate social responsibility and reminding herself it’s good to build a brand and create thoughtful products (all made to order) but that it’s equally important to stay grounded and to find ways to give back to society. Kate admits that despite her background in content creation, it’s harder for her to focus on this area of the business, having her plate full as a co-founder. The young entrepreneur also discusses her relationship to creativity in business as well as her love of Thai classical piano (her mother is a renowned artist) before talking about mindful rituals and her newfound interest in Ashtanga yoga, which helps her get away from her to-do list to find some peace and quiet. A thoughtful interview with a bright entrepreneur. Happy listening!***Selected links from episode You can find Kate on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/katesocatiyanurak/on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/katenatch/Discover Merandi products - https://merandiworld.com/And on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/merandiworld/And Kate & Grace's new projects: Good Cha - https://www.instagram.com/goodcha.bkk/and Good Bento - https://www.instagram.com/goodbento.bkk/LSE or London School of Economics - https://www.lse.ac.uk/Beauty Gems - https://beautygems.com/company/Judith Lieber - https://judithleiber.com/Songkran - Thai New Year - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Songkran_(Thailand)Bombyx Mori - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombyx_moriAshtanga yoga - https://www.yogajournal.com/yoga-101/types-of-yoga/ashtanga-yoga/"cras amet qui numquam amavit quique amavit cras amet" - Kate's favorite quote, in Latin, from a poem by Tiberius, meaning: "Let those love now who never loved before,Let those who always lov'd, now love the more."The song Hallelujah - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8AWFf7EAc4Michael Jackson: The Magic, the Madness, the Whole Story - https://books.google.ch/books/about/Michael_Jackson.html?id=7EkwuCFnE28C&redir_esc=yMusic for the outro of our episode feature a Thai traditional song played on the piano by Kate. ***If you enjoyed this episode, click subscribe for more, and consider writing a review of the show on Apple Podcasts, we really appreciate your support and feedback. And thank you  so much for listening! For all notes and transcripts, please visit Out Of The Clouds on Simplecast - https://out-of-the-clouds.simplecast.com/  Sign up for Anne's email newsletter for more from Out of the Clouds at https://annevmuhlethaler.com. Follow Anne: IG: @_outoftheclouds or  @annvi     This episode is brought to you by Le TrenteAre you a purpose-driven individual seeking clarity in your personal narrative? Is your brand struggling to communicate authentically with your audience? Looking for a thought partnership that transforms how you connect with the world?Le Trente is a global community that emboldens purpose-driven individuals and organizations to communicate authentically. Headquartered in Geneva but serving clients worldwide, we coach both individuals and brands through their communication journey—from identity exploration to strategy development—all grounded in mindful leadership and compassionate, holistic communication.Our mission is to be a catalyst for positive change. We inspire open-minded people and organisations to build better worlds through community-building salons, strategic consulting, mindful coaching and storytelling.Ready to transform your approach to communication and create ripples of positive change? Get in touch, we like to make magic happen. FIND OUT MORE ABOUT LE TRENTE HERE. *** If you enjoyed this episode, click subscribe for more, and consider writing a review of the show on Apple Podcasts, we really appreciate your support and feedback. And thank you so much for listening!For all notes and transcripts, please visit Out Of The Clouds on Simplecast - https://out-of-the-clouds.simplecast.com/Sign up for Anne's email newsletter for more from Out of the Clouds at https://outoftheclouds.com.Follow Anne and Out of the Clouds: IG: @_outoftheclouds or @annvi Or on Threads @annvi On Youtube @OutoftheCloudsFor more, you can read and subscribe to Anne's Substack, the Mettā View, her weekly dose of insights on coaching, brand development, the future of work, and storytelling, with a hint of mindfulness.

Known in the yoga world as THE teachers’ teacher, Annie Carpenter (@anniecarpentersmartflow) shares her story with Anne, who has been an avid student, first via online platform Glo.com, before attending live Zoom classes and IRL workshops with her in 2022. Annie’s journey starts in Virginia, but she tells Anne how she found her path early on with dance, leading her to the Martha Graham company and New York City. From getting a scholarship to working at the junior company and briefly joining the main company, Annie found a calling in what she refers to as authentic self-movement and in teaching at the Martha Graham Center. An introvert, she shares with Anne how yoga became an essential part of her life, thanks to Integral yoga (Swami Satchidananda’s school) which felt like a refuge from the competitiveness of the dance world.Annie explains how after a trip to LA and a conversation with her teacher Maty Ezraty, she impulsively relocated to the West Coast and turned to teaching yoga full time, training at Yoga Works under Maty and Lisa Walford. They go on to talk about teaching, about Annie's movement principles and energy, how to create inspiration for students, and why Annie founded her own yoga school, Smart Flow Yoga. Annie also shares why continuing to evolve is essential, as well as learning to let go of preconceived notions. She explains how she has learnt to tap into her students’ expectations rather than relying on her own. Now based in Northern California, the teacher, who turned 65 this year, also talks about the stages of life, or ashrams, and she is learning to ‘retire’ whatever is not supportive in her practice. Quoting Noam Chomsky, she says: "If you are teaching today what you were teaching five years ago, either your field is dead, or you are.” Annie also reveals  her passion for bird-watching, her mindfulness and pranayama practices, and how learning to be still was the doorway to her meditation practice. Finally, she answers the most delicate and profound question of all, one that Annie regularly asks her students: who is Annie? A joyous, profoundly thoughtful and inspiring interview. Enjoy! ***You can find Annie at https://www.smartflowyoga.com/about-annie-carpenter/on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/anniecarpentersmartflow/and on Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/annie.carpenter1And all details for her upcoming class schedule and teacher trainings are available here  - https://www.smartflowyoga.com/or find Annie's classes on Glo - https://www.glo.com/Selected links from episodeMartha Graham on Wikipedia - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martha_GrahamAnd https://marthagraham.org/The classic piece Appalachian Spring - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nM5-CsI713gIntegral Yoga - https://integralyoga.org/Savasana pose - https://www.yogapedia.com/definition/6582/savasanaAli McGraw Yoga, Mind & Body - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmW5Og4VBg8Eric Schiffman - https://erichschiffmann.com/Sally Kempton - https://www.sallykempton.com/Swami Satchidananda - https://integralyoga.org/founder/Maty Ezrati - https://matyezraty.com/Kia Miller - https://www.kiamiller.com/Triyoga London - https://triyoga.co.uk/Diana Rilov - https://www.dianarilov.com/Feldenkreis - https://feldenkrais.com/Alexander Technique - https://alexandertechnique.com/Bonnie Bainbridgecohen - https://bonniebainbridgecohen.com/The Glo Podcast - https://podcast.glo.com/The yoga sutras of Patanjali - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoga_Sutras_of_PatanjaliSiddhis - https://www.thecontemplativelife.org/blog/yoga-sutras-patanjali-siddhis-mystic-powersThe prothonotary warbler - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prothonotary_warblerSlow birding, the book by Joan E. Strassmann - https://www.amazon.com/Slow-Birding-Science-Enjoying-Backyard/dp/B09SN7L7WMScrub jays - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_scrub_jayThe four ashrams of life - https://yogasvi.com/the-four-ashrams-of-life/Abhinivesha - https://www.yogapedia.com/definition/5533/abhiniveshaAnnie’s favourite word 'molt' - https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/moltOut of the Clouds' playlist - https://open.spotify.com/playlist/4Viqm1uiiHtM5Y0FwTCtFR?si=9c1d46979d784abaAnnie's choice for what song best represents her is I'll Take You There by the Staple Singers - https://open.spotify.com/track/5xHfZxFBcMA2akGVMM1bdk?si=fb01ff20b53c42b7An Immense world by Ed Yong https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/59575939-an-immense-world***If you enjoyed this episode, click subscribe for more, and consider writing a review of the show on Apple Podcasts, we really appreciate your support and feedback. And thank you  so much for listening! For all notes and transcripts, please visit Out Of The Clouds on Simplecast - https://out-of-the-clouds.simplecast.com/  Sign up for Anne's email newsletter for more from Out of the Clouds at https://annevmuhlethaler.com. Follow Anne: IG: @_outoftheclouds or  @annvi    This episode is brought to you by Le TrenteAre you a purpose-driven individual seeking clarity in your personal narrative? Is your brand struggling to communicate authentically with your audience? Looking for a thought partnership that transforms how you connect with the world?Le Trente is a global community that emboldens purpose-driven individuals and organizations to communicate authentically. Headquartered in Geneva but serving clients worldwide, we coach both individuals and brands through their communication journey—from identity exploration to strategy development—all grounded in mindful leadership and compassionate, holistic communication.Our mission is to be a catalyst for positive change. We inspire open-minded people and organisations to build better worlds through community-building salons, strategic consulting, mindful coaching and storytelling.Ready to transform your approach to communication and create ripples of positive change? Get in touch, we like to make magic happen. FIND OUT MORE ABOUT LE TRENTE HERE. *** If you enjoyed this episode, click subscribe for more, and consider writing a review of the show on Apple Podcasts, we really appreciate your support and feedback. And thank you so much for listening!For all notes and transcripts, please visit Out Of The Clouds on Simplecast - https://out-of-the-clouds.simplecast.com/Sign up for Anne's email newsletter for more from Out of the Clouds at https://outoftheclouds.com.Follow Anne and Out of the Clouds: IG: @_outoftheclouds or @annvi Or on Threads @annvi On Youtube @OutoftheCloudsFor more, you can read and subscribe to Anne's Substack, the Mettā View, her weekly dose of insights on coaching, brand development, the future of work, and storytelling, with a hint of mindfulness.