Out Of The Clouds

In this episode of Out of the Clouds, host Anne Mühlethaler welcomes Joanna Bloor, a creative thinker and self-proclaimed "Potentialist" who has spent decades helping people and organisations unlock their untapped potential. With a background spanning from selling high-end swimwear to pioneering work in emerging technology during the dot-com era, Joanna brings a unique perspective on how we buy and sell human potential in today's world.The conversation begins with Joanna's transformative journey from moving from England to Texas at 15 (going from "Hogwarts without boys or magic to Americana") to her pivotal moment entering the tech world in 1995 when "nobody had a rule book." She shares how these experiences taught her that future you is who people want to get to know and shaped her approach to helping others articulate their potential.At the heart of the discussion is Joanna's revolutionary framework for understanding potential. She explains her concept that humans are essentially "emerging technology" - complex, upgradeable, and often misunderstood products that we buy and sell using outdated methods like resumes and job descriptions. Her famous principle that "every decision made about you and your opportunities is made in a room that you're not in" becomes the launching point for a deep dive into how to make yourself "easy to buy."The conversation takes a delightful turn as Joanna deconstructs the Cinderella story, which is the heart of her book, Tales of Potential, revealing how she reframed the fairy tale princess to reveal a strategic marketing genius who understood the importance of leaving the right "marketing materials" (the glass slipper) behind. This leads to a rich discussion about authenticity, power dynamics  in professional settings, and why women need to shift from playing non-zero sum games to positive sum games - essentially, making more pie rather than fighting over slices.Joanna shares practical advice for people who want to unlock insights to better talk about their own potential, including her "three words exercise" for discovering how others perceive you, and discusses the four power dynamics at play in any interaction: being liked, wanted, invited, or honored. The episode concludes with Joanna's vision for bringing more magic into the corporate world, including her dream of standing on stage unironically in a sequin ball gown with a wand to help people see the potential in themselves and others. A warm, funny and deeply insightful conversation, which is sure to leave you thinking differently about your own potential. Happy listening!  Selected Links from EpisodeConnect with Joanna:Joanna's websiteFollow Joanna on LinkedInJoanna's Substack, The Potentialist, a dispatch from the edge of what’s emerging.Follow Joanna on social media: @JoannaBloorJoanna’s book, Tales of Potential: The Cinderella Story You Didn’t HearJoanna’s TED talk “How 3D printing helped me lose weight”Resources mentioned:The quantum pen article on Joanna's Substack"Clever Lazy" by Joan Badger - the book that inspired 12-year-old JoannaPT Barnum Angus Harvey quote on monsters and superstition: “The old world is dying and while the new world struggles to be born, now is the time of monsters  because we are unable to distinguish between what feels good and what is true.”The other quote Joanna was looking for: “Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." Arthur C. Clarke"Playing Big" by Tara Mohr - recommended book for womenIntroduction makeover examples by Joanna with a host of wonderful people on YouTube (a must watch!)Books Joanna recommends:"Humans" by Matt Haig"The First Fifteen Lives of Harry August" by Claire North"The Sudden Appearance of Hope" by Claire NorthOther references:Positive sum games vs zero sum gamesSongs: "Everything's Coming Up Roses" and "I'm Still Here" This episode is brought to you by Le TrenteAre you a purpose-driven individual seeking clarity in your personal narrative? Is your brand struggling to communicate authentically with your audience? Looking for a thought partnership that transforms how you connect with the world?Le Trente is a global community that emboldens purpose-driven individuals and organizations to communicate authentically. Headquartered in Geneva but serving clients worldwide, we coach both individuals and brands through their communication journey—from identity exploration to strategy development—all grounded in mindful leadership and compassionate, holistic communication.Our mission is to be a catalyst for positive change. We inspire open-minded people and organisations to build better worlds through community-building salons, strategic consulting, mindful coaching and storytelling.Ready to transform your approach to communication and create ripples of positive change? Get in touch, we like to make magic happen. FIND OUT MORE ABOUT LE TRENTE HERE. *** If you enjoyed this episode, click subscribe for more, and consider writing a review of the show on Apple Podcasts, we really appreciate your support and feedback. And thank you so much for listening!For all notes and transcripts, please visit Out Of The Clouds on Simplecast - https://out-of-the-clouds.simplecast.com/Sign up for Anne's email newsletter for more from Out of the Clouds at https://outoftheclouds.com.Follow Anne and Out of the Clouds: IG: @_outoftheclouds or @annvi Or on Threads @annvi On Youtube @OutoftheCloudsFor more, you can read and subscribe to Anne's Substack, the Mettā View, her weekly dose of insights on coaching, brand development, the future of work, and storytelling, with a hint of mindfulness.

In this episode of Out of the Clouds, host Anne Mühlethaler welcomes Alice Ruby Ross and Rebecca Monserat, the founders of Forivor, an award-winning sustainable children's brand known for its innovative, dual-sided bedding designs that transform from educational nature scenes by day to magical, enchanted worlds by night.To begin, Rebecca and Alice share their fascinating personal journeys and how they crossed paths and led to their working together and their wonderful friendship. As they tell it in their own words, it all started with Rebecca growing up in a 400-year-old house without electricity and surrounded by nature in rural Wales and Alice being raised in West London in a creative Anglo-Indian family where their dining table was the center of artistic expression. The pair describe how they first met (through a mutual friend named Roxy), and what was initially a professional relationship quickly evolved into a deep friendship and business partnership that has sustained them through the ups and downs of entrepreneurship.The conversation turns to the origin story of their brand. It began with Rebecca having a half-awake vision while trying to write a story for her goddaughter while on a train journey that was taking her from London to Hong Kong. The products she dreamt up — children’s bedding — originally featured a unique day and night concept, with one side depicting accurate natural landscapes with hidden wildlife, accompanied by educational fact cards, while the other side transforming those same creatures into mystical creatures with enchanting stories. The brand name is a tribute to Rebecca's father, Ivor (as in, “for Ivor”), who passed away in 2005. The two founders then tell Anne about their in-person research process, which included visiting the Anglesey Sea Zoo to observe British marine wildlife for their "Legends of the Sea" collection, and how their immersive approach brings authenticity to their designs. And Alice, who creates all the illustrations, explains the delicate balance of making the creatures on their bedding designs both scientifically accurate and magically transformed, while Rebecca details the educational components that connect children to the natural world.The pair also candidly address the challenges of working toward sustainable manufacturing, particularly their ongoing efforts to eliminate plastic from their supply chain and create products with minimal environmental impact. They articulate an acute awareness of the irony in their efforts to try and save the planet while simultaneously creating more products — a tension they navigate thoughtfully by focusing on longevity, education and exploring how their brand concept might live beyond physical goods and focusing on quality of life over forever growth. They summarise their philosophy as such: "The business is there for us to enjoy our life within it, not for us to serve the business." naming their approach prioritising creative fulfillment and. As Alice and Rebecca look to the future, they share their desire to expand Forivor's mission beyond products, potentially through workshops and experiential offerings like a Forivor Camp where children can connect directly with nature.Throughout the conversation, Alice and Rebecca describe their work as "an ode to children's imagination," meant to celebrate the magical thinking that comes so naturally to young minds while also nurturing their connection to the natural world. The interview concludes with the three women reflecting on what grounds them (nature for Rebecca and people-watching for Alice) and what brings them happiness.A warm, inspiring conversation with two talented women whose friendship is a bedrock for creativity, sustainability and the power of storytelling to connect children with the natural world. Selected links from episodeForivor websiteAnglesey Zoo - Where they researched marine wildlife for their "Legends of the Sea" collectionEnvironmental Justice Foundation - Where Rebecca previously workedKatharine Hamnett - Designer Rebecca worked withX-Trillion - Documentary about plastic pollution by Eleanor ChurchThe Great Pacific Garbage Patch - Referenced when discussing plastic pollutionHouse of Hackney - Company that gives the environment a place on their boardFaith & Nature - First company to give nature a seat on their boardFashion Reimagined - Documentary about sustainable fashion featuring Amy PowneyMother of Pearl - Amy Powney's sustainable fashion brand"My Family and Other Animals" by Gerald Durrell - Rebecca's favorite book"Magical Changes" by Graham Oakley - Alice's favorite book"Trouble for Trumpets" - Book that inspired aspects of Forivor designsThe Beatles "Blackbird" - Song that represents RebeccaEric Clapton "Promises" - Song that represents AliceThe playlist from guests of Out of The Clouds answering ‘What song best represents you?’ This episode is brought to you by Le TrenteAre you a purpose-driven individual seeking clarity in your personal narrative? Is your brand struggling to communicate authentically with your audience? Looking for a thought partnership that transforms how you connect with the world?Le Trente is a global community that emboldens purpose-driven individuals and organizations to communicate authentically. Headquartered in Geneva but serving clients worldwide, we coach both individuals and brands through their communication journey—from identity exploration to strategy development—all grounded in mindful leadership and compassionate, holistic communication.Our mission is to be a catalyst for positive change. We inspire open-minded people and organisations to build better worlds through community-building salons, strategic consulting, mindful coaching and storytelling.Ready to transform your approach to communication and create ripples of positive change? Get in touch, we like to make magic happen. FIND OUT MORE ABOUT LE TRENTE HERE. *** If you enjoyed this episode, click subscribe for more, and consider writing a review of the show on Apple Podcasts, we really appreciate your support and feedback. And thank you so much for listening!For all notes and transcripts, please visit Out Of The Clouds on Simplecast - https://out-of-the-clouds.simplecast.com/Sign up for Anne's email newsletter for more from Out of the Clouds at https://outoftheclouds.com.Follow Anne and Out of the Clouds: IG: @_outoftheclouds or @annvi Or on Threads @annvi On Youtube @OutoftheCloudsFor more, you can read and subscribe to Anne's Substack, the Mettā View, her weekly dose of insights on coaching, brand development, the future of work, and storytelling, with a hint of mindfulness.

In this episode of Out of the Clouds, host Anne Mühlethaler interviews André Anderson, an author, educator, and the founder of Freedom and Balance art college. Anne first encountered Andre during his impactful TEDx talk at Hackney Empire in London and was immediately drawn to his innovative approach to storytelling.André tells Anne about his journey from a creative child who loved making imagery, writing stories and dreaming of his own media empire to becoming a self-published author and community storyteller. He explains how his first book "Ultra" — written in just 12 days on his Blackberry — opened unexpected doors and taught him the principle that "the more you create, the freer you become."Their conversation also explores André's groundbreaking project "Authors of the Estate," for which he transformed his Northwest London council estate into a publishing house. Andre explains how this initiative challenged negative narratives about his community by empowering residents to author their own stories. He likens this work to the tradition of oral historians in West Africa (called griot), highlighting how storytelling serves as both cultural preservation and a political act. André also mentions "Chalk Hill," the second book that followed "Authors of the Estate" in his publishing journey.Anne and André discuss the etymology of words like "author" and "education," as André explains how understanding their roots has shaped his approach to creativity and teaching. André also explains how his art college, Freedom and Balance, creates environments for people to discover their unique creative language through play. He shares his realization that facilitation is about asking powerful questions rather than providing all the answers, describing his role memorably: "I am Gandalf, and all of my tools, or all of my magic, is tools of play."Anne and André delve into the importance of aspirational play for adults in an increasingly AI-driven world, with André suggesting that play might be the most distinctly human activity that cannot be replaced by technology. They examine how imperfection, vulnerability and the willingness to make mistakes can become powerful educational tools and discuss André's project "Love Letters for My Peoples," which uses love as a framework for creativity and connection.Throughout the conversation, André shares his philosophy of "heart work" — creative work that incorporates strands of one's authentic self — and reflects on the importance of process over product. André even makes a compelling comparison between his "Authors of the Estate" project and Nas's seminal album "Illmatic," referring to it as his defining work that fans always want to hear again. The episode concludes with André's thoughtful responses to Anne's closing lightning round questions, revealing his deep connection to creativity, his appreciation for his mother's early support of his creative pursuits and his belief that happiness comes from knowing the world has heard you.A profound conversation about reclaiming narratives, finding freedom through creativity and the transformative power of play. Happy listening!About André AndersonFreedom & Balance is an Art College for the artist in everyone. They create programs that help organizations shape their future through play and help communities playfully grow into the type of leaders their world looks for. Andre and his team have worked with notable organizations including BBC, Google, Samsung, Estee Lauder, and The Guardian.Selected links from episodeAuthors of the EstateChalk Hill - Andre's follow-up bookFreedom and Balance Art CollegeAndre's TEDx talk on Aspirational Playhttps://www.freedomandbalance.com/lovelettersGamestorming bookA Beautiful Constraint bookNas - Illmatic - The album Andre compared to his "Authors of the Estate" projectThe Arthur theme song “Believe in yourself”Follow Andre on InstagramConnect with Andre on LinkedIn This episode is brought to you by Le TrenteAre you a purpose-driven individual seeking clarity in your personal narrative? Is your brand struggling to communicate authentically with your audience? Looking for a thought partnership that transforms how you connect with the world?Le Trente is a global community that emboldens purpose-driven individuals and organizations to communicate authentically. Headquartered in Geneva but serving clients worldwide, we coach both individuals and brands through their communication journey—from identity exploration to strategy development—all grounded in mindful leadership and compassionate, holistic communication.Our mission is to be a catalyst for positive change. We inspire open-minded people and organisations to build better worlds through community-building salons, strategic consulting, mindful coaching and storytelling.Ready to transform your approach to communication and create ripples of positive change? Get in touch, we like to make magic happen. FIND OUT MORE ABOUT LE TRENTE HERE. *** If you enjoyed this episode, click subscribe for more, and consider writing a review of the show on Apple Podcasts, we really appreciate your support and feedback. And thank you so much for listening!For all notes and transcripts, please visit Out Of The Clouds on Simplecast - https://out-of-the-clouds.simplecast.com/Sign up for Anne's email newsletter for more from Out of the Clouds at https://outoftheclouds.com.Follow Anne and Out of the Clouds: IG: @_outoftheclouds or @annvi Or on Threads @annvi On Youtube @OutoftheCloudsFor more, you can read and subscribe to Anne's Substack, the Mettā View, her weekly dose of insights on coaching, brand development, the future of work, and storytelling, with a hint of mindfulness.

In this episode of Out of the Clouds, host Anne Muhlethaler interviews Dina Fierro, creative thinker and seasoned omni-channel marketer with expertise spanning fashion, beauty and luxury. Dina is a specialist in content strategy, cross-platform storytelling and reshaping consumer engagement.Dina's career has spanned fashion, beauty and luxury, including leadership positions both agency and brand-side, including a few years where she worked with Anne at Christian Louboutin. In her most recent role at Shiseido Americas, she led the organisation's digital innovation group, partnering with portfolio brands including NARS, Shiseido, Clé de Peau Beauté and Drunk Elephant to create highly engaging consumer experiences anchored in emerging technology.Anne and Dina explore Dina's fascinating journey from her early aspirations in journalism to becoming a pioneering voice in the digital marketing landscape. Dina shares her path from launching one of the early fashion and beauty blogs in 2006, Eye for Style, to spearheading groundbreaking digital initiatives for prestigious brands. The pair discuss Dina's work creating virtual ambassadors for Nars, immersive retail experiences, and exciting gaming integrations that are pushing the boundaries of how brands in the beauty or luxury space connect with their customers.The conversation delves into the evolution of Web3, AI, and immersive technologies (with Dina offering some explanation for the meaning of the terms), examining how these tools are transforming brand storytelling. They explore the broadcast-to-dialogue shift - how brands in Web3 are moving away from one-way communication toward more interactive relationships with their audiences. Dina explains her vision for a more integrated approach to experiential marketing and how technology can enhance rather than replace physical experiences.Anne and Dina exchange thoughts on their favorite platforms in 2025, discussing platforms that really reinforce the dialogue between brands and consumers. They share insights on Substack, Reddit, and the untapped potential of audio, while expressing their mixed feelings about Meta and TikTok. The conversation also touches on the hazards of the subscription economy and makes a case for why more brands should embrace audio for deeper connection with their audiences.Throughout the discussion, Dina reveals her thoughtful approach to both personal and professional growth, touching on resilience, the importance of human connection in an increasingly digital world, and finding balance between control and vulnerability.A thought-provoking conversation that bridges the past, present, and future of digital marketing while offering valuable insights for anyone interested in the intersection of technology, creativity, and brand building.Happy listening! Selected Links from EpisodeYou can connect with Dina: Dina's Substack: Yet Another SubstackDina's Instagram: @dinafierro Other links: Daydream - AI-powered luxury shopping experienceXiidra - Multisensory VR experiencesZEPETO - Immersive metaverse-style app popular in AsiaUnreal Engine - Platform within Epic Games for photorealistic environmentsDimension Studio - London-based studio specializing in Unreal Engine developmentPatty Wilson - Renowned stylist who styles NARS campaignsVogue Business - Business publication featuring Dina's work with virtual ambassadorsRoblox - User-generated platform where NARS launched Color QuestKiki World - Co-creation platform disrupting the beauty industryDS & Durga - Niche perfume house with Spotify playlists including commissioned musicBarilla Pasta Timer Playlists - Curated music for pasta cooking timesSubstack - Newsletter platform Dina uses for her publicationLeandra Medine (Man Repeller) - Fashion writer and former blogger Dina followsAmy O'Dell - Former Editor-in-Chief of The Cut with original reporting on SubstackMarie Claire - Publication with sophisticated content strategies beyond printBloomberg on Telegram - Example of legacy media embracing alternative channelsMeta Ray-Ban Smart Glasses - Wearable technology Dina finds compellingTom Petty - "I Won't Back Down" - Song that represents DinaMichael Pollan - "The Omnivore's Dilemma" - Book that changed Dina's relationship with foodEric Ripert - Chef whose culinary memoir Dina enjoysGabrielle Hamilton - Chef and author Dina mentioned for her culinary writing This episode is brought to you by Le TrenteAre you a purpose-driven individual seeking clarity in your personal narrative? Is your brand struggling to communicate authentically with your audience? Looking for a thought partnership that transforms how you connect with the world?Le Trente is a global community that emboldens purpose-driven individuals and organizations to communicate authentically. Headquartered in Geneva but serving clients worldwide, we coach both individuals and brands through their communication journey—from identity exploration to strategy development—all grounded in mindful leadership and compassionate, holistic communication.Our mission is to be a catalyst for positive change. We inspire open-minded people and organisations to build better worlds through community-building salons, strategic consulting, mindful coaching and storytelling.Ready to transform your approach to communication and create ripples of positive change? Get in touch, we like to make magic happen. FIND OUT MORE ABOUT LE TRENTE HERE. *** If you enjoyed this episode, click subscribe for more, and consider writing a review of the show on Apple Podcasts, we really appreciate your support and feedback. And thank you so much for listening!For all notes and transcripts, please visit Out Of The Clouds on Simplecast - https://out-of-the-clouds.simplecast.com/Sign up for Anne's email newsletter for more from Out of the Clouds at https://outoftheclouds.com.Follow Anne and Out of the Clouds: IG: @_outoftheclouds or @annvi Or on Threads @annvi On Youtube @OutoftheCloudsFor more, you can read and subscribe to Anne's Substack, the Mettā View, her weekly dose of insights on coaching, brand development, the future of work, and storytelling, with a hint of mindfulness.

In this episode of Out of the Clouds, host Anne Mühlethaler interviews Francesca Hogi, a TED speaker, host of the Dear Franny Podcast, and internationally recognized expert on dating and relationships. She's been featured in media outlets such as The Today Show, Marie Claire, The New York Times, Harper's Bazaar and The Huffington Post, and is the founder of The True Love Society, a community for people seeking deeper self and romantic love.Anne and Francesca’s conversation begins with Francesca sharing her life story, revealing how she was a deeply romantic child who devoured her older sister's romance novels, foreshadowing her future career path. She was working as a corporate lawyer when she began her journey toward love coaching by blogging about dating. She then turned to matchmaking for several years before finding her true calling as a love coach.Francesca tells Anne about her holistic approach to helping people find love. She also discusses some elements of her book, ​​How to Find True Love: Unlock Your Romantic Flow and Create Lasting Relationships, in which she breaks down four key components for readers to establish the foundations for a true love relationship: mindset, heartset, soulset, and skillset. Francesca challenges the conventional hierarchies of love, explaining how we tend to put romantic love up on this pedestal, thinking of it as the pinnacle and then assuming failure if we don’t find it in our lives. Instead, she advocates for adapting our intentions to have love through all parts of our lives.Then Anne and Francesca delve into the realities of modern dating, particularly the evolution and impact of dating apps. Francesca pointedly reminds listeners that "swiping on a dating app is not dating — going on dates is dating," and emphasises the importance of "developing the skills — because it is all skill — to be able to meet people more organically as they live their lives."Francesca explains what she asks her clients (and readers of her book) to develop more self-awareness, like: "What do I actually believe about myself when it comes to love?" and "In the love story of your life, what is the role that you play?" She highlights how many people hold beliefs about themselves and their romantic possibilities that are not truly in alignment with what they want, and these questions guide us back to our focus.Their conversation turns to exploring the deeper spiritual dimensions of finding love through what Francesca calls one’s soulset: considering faith and connection to a higher power. She adds that serendipity, for example, is something that you can court intentionally, and how practicing gratitude makes you more aligned with love. She offers that having that soul-level connection and understanding our romantic energy is essential because while often we understand mind,emotion, and action, we tend to misunderstand energy. To conclude, Anne asks her favourite questions, which has Francesca share her grounding practices, in particular her daily morning and evening journaling sessions, and her love of walking in any weather. A warm, insightful, and empowering conversation that challenges conventional wisdom about modern love and offers a refreshing perspective on how to center love in all aspects of life. Happy listening!Selected links from episodeOut of the Clouds website: https://outoftheclouds.com/Out of the Clouds on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/_outofthecloudsThe Mettā View website: https://avm.consulting/metta-viewAnne on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/annvi/Anne on Threads: https://www.threads.net/@annviAnne on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/anne-v-muhlethaler/Find more about Francesca at FrancescaHogi.comHer book, "How to Find True Love: Unlock Your Romantic Flow and Create Lasting Relationships"How to date with intention, Francesca’s online courseFrancesca’s True Love Society on Patreon  Find Francesca on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/dearfrannyOn LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dearfrannyOn Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/DearFrannyFollow Francesca’s podcast Dear Franny on Instagram Or subscribe to the podcast on Apple Podcasts Selected links from episode:The princess industrial complex The Love Inside, a book by Jessica Faith GrahamU2 I still haven’t found what I’m looking for The book  The Untethered Soul by Michael Singer This episode is brought to you by Le TrenteAre you a purpose-driven individual seeking clarity in your personal narrative? Is your brand struggling to communicate authentically with your audience? Looking for a thought partnership that transforms how you connect with the world?Le Trente is a global community that emboldens purpose-driven individuals and organizations to communicate authentically. Headquartered in Geneva but serving clients worldwide, we coach both individuals and brands through their communication journey—from identity exploration to strategy development—all grounded in mindful leadership and compassionate, holistic communication.Our mission is to be a catalyst for positive change. We inspire open-minded people and organisations to build better worlds through community-building salons, strategic consulting, mindful coaching and storytelling.Ready to transform your approach to communication and create ripples of positive change? Get in touch, we like to make magic happen. FIND OUT MORE ABOUT LE TRENTE HERE. *** If you enjoyed this episode, click subscribe for more, and consider writing a review of the show on Apple Podcasts, we really appreciate your support and feedback. And thank you so much for listening!For all notes and transcripts, please visit Out Of The Clouds on Simplecast - https://out-of-the-clouds.simplecast.com/Sign up for Anne's email newsletter for more from Out of the Clouds at https://outoftheclouds.com.Follow Anne and Out of the Clouds: IG: @_outoftheclouds or @annvi Or on Threads @annvi On Youtube @OutoftheCloudsFor more, you can read and subscribe to Anne's Substack, the Mettā View, her weekly dose of insights on coaching, brand development, the future of work, and storytelling, with a hint of mindfulness.

In this engaging discussion, Sari Azout, founder of Sublime and a trailblazer from Barranquilla, Colombia, shares her journey from a cerebral child to an influential entrepreneur. She reveals how writing sparks her creativity and emphasizes the importance of conviction in a commodified digital landscape. Sari discusses transforming passive consumption into active creativity with Sublime, a tool designed to never lose inspiring ideas. The conversation also touches on balancing familial duties with creative ambitions and the meaning behind her son's name, Aleph.

In this intimate audio essay, Anne V Mühlethaler reflects on Rebecca Shaw's piercing observation about watching powerful men "burn the world down." Through her own journey of frustration and self-reflection, Anne explores how our childhood coping mechanisms shape adult perspectives on "us vs. them."Drawing from both psychological insights and Buddhist wisdom, Anne examines how the very qualities we despise in others might mirror parts of ourselves we'd rather not see. She weaves Dr. Guralnik's work on political polarization - how early experiences of "splitting" the world into all-good or all-bad persist into adulthood - with Buddhist teachings that offer a pathway forward through radical acceptance.From confronting her own "inner dictator" to embracing ancient wisdom about sitting with difficult emotions, Anne invites listeners to consider: What if the key to healing our divided world begins with acknowledging the complexity within ourselves?Selected links from episode: The opinion piece by Rebecca Shaw in the GuardianThe guest essay in the New York Times by Dr Orna Guralnik Wealth extremismTara Brach's article about inviting Mara to teaThe Metta View This episode is brought to you by Le TrenteAre you a purpose-driven individual seeking clarity in your personal narrative? Is your brand struggling to communicate authentically with your audience? Looking for a thought partnership that transforms how you connect with the world?Le Trente is a global community that emboldens purpose-driven individuals and organizations to communicate authentically. Headquartered in Geneva but serving clients worldwide, we coach both individuals and brands through their communication journey—from identity exploration to strategy development—all grounded in mindful leadership and compassionate, holistic communication.Our mission is to be a catalyst for positive change. We inspire open-minded people and organisations to build better worlds through community-building salons, strategic consulting, mindful coaching and storytelling.Ready to transform your approach to communication and create ripples of positive change? Get in touch, we like to make magic happen. FIND OUT MORE ABOUT LE TRENTE HERE. *** If you enjoyed this episode, click subscribe for more, and consider writing a review of the show on Apple Podcasts, we really appreciate your support and feedback. And thank you so much for listening!For all notes and transcripts, please visit Out Of The Clouds on Simplecast - https://out-of-the-clouds.simplecast.com/Sign up for Anne's email newsletter for more from Out of the Clouds at https://outoftheclouds.com.Follow Anne and Out of the Clouds: IG: @_outoftheclouds or @annvi Or on Threads @annvi On Youtube @OutoftheCloudsFor more, you can read and subscribe to Anne's Substack, the Mettā View, her weekly dose of insights on coaching, brand development, the future of work, and storytelling, with a hint of mindfulness.

Episode NotesIn this episode of Out of the Clouds, Anne V. Mühlethaler welcomes artist and creator Lucia Dami for a deep dive into her creative journey, the exploration of archetypes, and her connection to the divine feminine. Lucia, a Geneva-raised artist now based in London, has been described by Surface magazine as “a visionary creator who channels the mystery and fluidity of the feminine into evocative works of art.” Her unique approach blends symbolism, spirituality, and storytelling to create a profound resonance with her audience.Lucia’s work, including her highly sought-after sacred portrayals and sacred avatar commissions, allows women to see themselves reflected through a lens of empowerment and magic. Her art is not only visually striking but serves as a healing practice, honouring the fluidity and depth of the feminine.Lucia and Anne were put in touch by their friend, the artist Julia Astok, and synchronicity was at play when Julia came to meet Anne in Geneva for one of her salons. This coincided with the dates when Lucia wanted to get her new tarot deck, the Elysian Tarot, photographed, for its Kickstarter campaign. Together, Anne and Lucia discuss the origins and creation of The Elysian Tarot, starting with Lucia’s meet cute with Tarot. She explains how the project is both a personal odyssey and a tool for self-discovery. Lucia shares how a health crisis got her to reconnect with her body, spirit, and creative essence. Anne asks Lucia to talk about the role of Jungian archetypes in her workshops, and how the divine feminine in all its form become a guide to women throughout their lives. The end the conversation on Lucia's understanding of the transformative power of creativity as a bridge between the unseen and the seen.Selected links from episodeDiscover the Elysian TarotBook a tarot reading with Lucia DamiSacred avatar process (with combined reading)Sacred portrayalsLucia’s InstagramThe Divine FeminineJulia AstokThe SaleveLana Del Rey Dark ParadiseThe book of Symbols by Taschen This episode is brought to you by AVM Consulting This episode is brought to you by Le TrenteAre you a purpose-driven individual seeking clarity in your personal narrative? Is your brand struggling to communicate authentically with your audience? Looking for a thought partnership that transforms how you connect with the world?Le Trente is a global community that emboldens purpose-driven individuals and organizations to communicate authentically. Headquartered in Geneva but serving clients worldwide, we coach both individuals and brands through their communication journey—from identity exploration to strategy development—all grounded in mindful leadership and compassionate, holistic communication.Our mission is to be a catalyst for positive change. We inspire open-minded people and organisations to build better worlds through community-building salons, strategic consulting, mindful coaching and storytelling.Ready to transform your approach to communication and create ripples of positive change? Get in touch, we like to make magic happen. FIND OUT MORE ABOUT LE TRENTE HERE. *** If you enjoyed this episode, click subscribe for more, and consider writing a review of the show on Apple Podcasts, we really appreciate your support and feedback. And thank you so much for listening!For all notes and transcripts, please visit Out Of The Clouds on Simplecast - https://out-of-the-clouds.simplecast.com/Sign up for Anne's email newsletter for more from Out of the Clouds at https://outoftheclouds.com.Follow Anne and Out of the Clouds: IG: @_outoftheclouds or @annvi Or on Threads @annvi On Youtube @OutoftheCloudsFor more, you can read and subscribe to Anne's Substack, the Mettā View, her weekly dose of insights on coaching, brand development, the future of work, and storytelling, with a hint of mindfulness.

In this episode of Out of the Clouds, Anne V. Mühlethaler welcomes artist and creator Lucia Dami for a deep dive into her creative journey, the exploration of archetypes, and her connection to the divine feminine. Lucia, a Geneva-raised artist now based in London, has been described by Surface magazine as “a visionary creator who channels the mystery and fluidity of the feminine into evocative works of art.” Her unique approach blends symbolism, spirituality, and storytelling to create a profound resonance with her audience.Lucia’s work, including her highly sought-after sacred portrayals and sacred avatar commissions, allows women to see themselves reflected through a lens of empowerment and magic. Her art is not only visually striking but serves as a healing practice, honouring the fluidity and depth of the feminine.Lucia and Anne were put in touch by their friend, the artist Julia Astok, and synchronicity was at play when Julia came to meet Anne in Geneva for one of her salons. This coincided with the dates when Lucia wanted to get her new tarot deck, the Elysian Tarot, photographed, for its Kickstarter campaign. Together, Anne and Lucia discuss the origins and creation of The Elysian Tarot, starting with Lucia’s meet cute with Tarot. She explains how the project is both a personal odyssey and a tool for self-discovery. Lucia shares how a health crisis got her to reconnect with her body, spirit, and creative essence. Anne asks Lucia to talk about the role of Jungian archetypes in her workshops, and how the divine feminine in all its form become a guide to women throughout their lives. The end the conversation on Lucia's understanding of the transformative power of creativity as a bridge between the unseen and the seen. Selected links from episodeDiscover the Elysian TarotBook a tarot reading with Lucia DamiSacred avatar process (with combined reading)Sacred portrayalsLucia’s InstagramGoldsmith University The Divine FeminineHertilityHelen O’Neil on the Working Hard, Hardly WorkingThe Story of You programJulia AstokThe SaleveLana Del Rey Dark ParadiseThe book of Symbols by Taschen  This episode is brought to you by Le TrenteAre you a purpose-driven individual seeking clarity in your personal narrative? Is your brand struggling to communicate authentically with your audience? Looking for a thought partnership that transforms how you connect with the world?Le Trente is a global community that emboldens purpose-driven individuals and organizations to communicate authentically. Headquartered in Geneva but serving clients worldwide, we coach both individuals and brands through their communication journey—from identity exploration to strategy development—all grounded in mindful leadership and compassionate, holistic communication.Our mission is to be a catalyst for positive change. We inspire open-minded people and organisations to build better worlds through community-building salons, strategic consulting, mindful coaching and storytelling.Ready to transform your approach to communication and create ripples of positive change? Get in touch, we like to make magic happen. FIND OUT MORE ABOUT LE TRENTE HERE. *** If you enjoyed this episode, click subscribe for more, and consider writing a review of the show on Apple Podcasts, we really appreciate your support and feedback. And thank you so much for listening!For all notes and transcripts, please visit Out Of The Clouds on Simplecast - https://out-of-the-clouds.simplecast.com/Sign up for Anne's email newsletter for more from Out of the Clouds at https://outoftheclouds.com.Follow Anne and Out of the Clouds: IG: @_outoftheclouds or @annvi Or on Threads @annvi On Youtube @OutoftheCloudsFor more, you can read and subscribe to Anne's Substack, the Mettā View, her weekly dose of insights on coaching, brand development, the future of work, and storytelling, with a hint of mindfulness.

This episode is a hybrid one of sorts, as host Anne Mühlethaler presents a new podcast launching soon: the companion to her newsletter, The Mettā View. For The Mettā View Anne regularly writes personal essays coloured with a mindful lens. In this episode she shares the audio version of her last newsletter essay of 2024, all about her end-of-year thoughts on letting go and trusting the flow. Anne reflects that 2024 has been a journey of embracing failure, trusting her intuition and learning to dance with life’s unexpected turns. Join her as she reflects on the lessons learnt, the wisdom gained and the importance of letting go of the need to control (which is tough but important). Inspired by the teachings of mindfulness mentor David Cabrera, this episode explores the power of “allowing the dharma to happen” and finding encouragement in discouragement. And, above all, dancing with life.     Selected links from episodeThe Mettā View newsletter and podcast homepageTo subscribe to the Mettā View, head over here.Download Anne's reflection guide, renamed Your Story, Your Map.  This episode is brought to you by Le TrenteAre you a purpose-driven individual seeking clarity in your personal narrative? Is your brand struggling to communicate authentically with your audience? Looking for a thought partnership that transforms how you connect with the world?Le Trente is a global community that emboldens purpose-driven individuals and organizations to communicate authentically. Headquartered in Geneva but serving clients worldwide, we coach both individuals and brands through their communication journey—from identity exploration to strategy development—all grounded in mindful leadership and compassionate, holistic communication.Our mission is to be a catalyst for positive change. We inspire open-minded people and organisations to build better worlds through community-building salons, strategic consulting, mindful coaching and storytelling.Ready to transform your approach to communication and create ripples of positive change? Get in touch, we like to make magic happen. FIND OUT MORE ABOUT LE TRENTE HERE. *** If you enjoyed this episode, click subscribe for more, and consider writing a review of the show on Apple Podcasts, we really appreciate your support and feedback. And thank you so much for listening!For all notes and transcripts, please visit Out Of The Clouds on Simplecast - https://out-of-the-clouds.simplecast.com/Sign up for Anne's email newsletter for more from Out of the Clouds at https://outoftheclouds.com.Follow Anne and Out of the Clouds: IG: @_outoftheclouds or @annvi Or on Threads @annvi On Youtube @OutoftheCloudsFor more, you can read and subscribe to Anne's Substack, the Mettā View, her weekly dose of insights on coaching, brand development, the future of work, and storytelling, with a hint of mindfulness.