Spatial Web AI Podcast

Denise Holt
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Apr 4, 2023 • 24min

Spatial Web and the Era of AI - Part 2 | KB #11 - Spatial Web AI Podcast

Spatial Web and the Era of AI - Part 2 – AGI is Coming Faster Than You Think   #futureofai #artificialintelligence by Denise Holt Karl Friston and Active Inference AI   Why is Dr. Friston the Most Important Figure in the World of AI?   Dr. Karl Friston has been working on the concept of Active Inference and its application to artificial intelligence for more than a decade   … Friston and his colleagues have been exploring the use of Active Inference and the Free Energy Principle in artificial neural networking systems, developing methods and algorithms for Active Inference in machine learning and artificial intelligence.   … December 1, 2022, VERSES Technologies, a cognitive computing company specializing in next-generation AI, and creator of the Spatial Web Protocol, announced the addition of Dr. Karl Friston, welcoming him as Chief Scientist, leading VERSES AI research and development through Model Based AI for Active Inference.   Next generation AI systems must be based off a world model, holding definitive beliefs regarding the state of that world, with the ability to adapt and evolve within shared narratives.   The Spatial Web (Web 3.0) becomes this AI world model foundational ecosystem comprised of digital twins of every space, both real world and digital, along with every object — person, place, or thing within it.   Model-Based AI for Active Inference within this new Network of Everything, transforms into an artificial intelligence organism, that within itself represents the ultimate generative model for scaling to super intelligence. Utilizing the HSML context programming, baked into each entity within this new internet, a new collective super intelligence emerges actively learning and processing real time information and situational cues to continually refine its understanding of all things in all spaces. This ability for self-evidencing and self-organization naturally cultivates a more and more sophisticated entity of shared intelligence between human and machine, truly augmenting the human experience, redefining what it means to be human.,   ______________________   Special thanks to Dan Mapes, President and Co-Founder, VERSES AI and Director of The Spatial Web Foundation. If you’d like to know more about The Spatial Web, I highly recommend a helpful introductory book written by Dan and his VERSES Co-Founder, Gabriel Rene, titled, “The Spatial Web,” with a dedication “to all future generations.”   Listen to more episodes in my Knowledge Bank Playlist to learn everything you need to know to stay ahead of this rapidly accelerating technology.   Check out more at, SpatialWebAI and Spatial Web Foundation   #futureofai #artificialintelligence #spatialweb #intelligentagents #aitools
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Apr 3, 2023 • 25min

Spatial Web and the Era of AI - Part 1 | KB #10 - Spatial Web AI Podcast

Spatial Web and the Era of AI - Part 1  #futureofai #artificialintelligence by Denise Holt Deep Learning Language Models vs. Cognitive Science The pioneering goal of Artificial Intelligence has been to understand how humans think. The original idea was to merge intellectual and computer contributions to learn about cognition.   In the 1990’s, a shift took place from a knowledge-driven AI approach to a data-driven AI approach, replacing the original objectives with a type of Machine Learning called Deep Learning, capable of analyzing large amounts of data, drawing conclusions from the results.   Deep Learning is a predictive machine model that operates off of pattern recognition. Some people believe that if you simply feed the model more and more data, then the AI will begin to evolve on its own, eventually reaching AGI (Artificial General Intelligence), the ‘Holy Grail’ of AI.    This theory, however, is viewed as being deeply flawed because these AI machines are not capable of “awareness” or the ability to “reason.” With Machine Learning/Deep Learning AI, there is no “thinking taking place.”    These predictive machines are void of any actual intelligence.    Scaling into bigger models by adding more and more parameters until these models consume the entire internet, will only prove useful to a point.   A larger data bank will not be able to solve for recognizing toxicity within the data structures, nor will it enable the ability to navigate sensitive data, permissioned information, protected identities, or intellectual property. A larger data bank does not enable reasoning or abstract thinking.   For AI to achieve the ultimate goal of AGI we need to be able to construct cognitive models of the world and map ‘meaning’ onto the data. We need a large database of abstract knowledge that can be interpreted by a machine imparting a level of ‘awareness’. Newton vs. Einstein Model Based AI for Active Inference is an Artificial Intelligence methodology that possesses all the ingredients required to achieve the breakthrough to AGI by surpassing all of the fundamental limitations of current Machine Learning/Deep Learning AI.   The difference between Machine Learning AI and Active Inference AI is as stark as the jump from Newton’s Laws of Universal Gravitation to Einstein’s Theory of Relativity.   In the late 1800’s, physicists believed that we had already discovered the laws that govern motion and gravity within our physical universe. Little did they know how naïve Isaac Newton’s ideas were, until Albert Einstein opened mankind’s eyes to spacetime and the totality of existence and reality.   This is what is happening with AI right now.   It’s simply not possible to get to AGI (Artificial General Intelligence) with a machine learning model, but AGI is inevitable with Active Inference.     ______________________   Special thanks to Dan Mapes, President and Co-Founder, VERSES AI and Director of The Spatial Web Foundation. If you’d like to know more about The Spatial Web, I highly recommend a helpful introductory book written by Dan and his VERSES Co-Founder, Gabriel Rene, titled, “The Spatial Web,” with a dedication “to all future generations.”   Listen to more episodes in my Knowledge Bank Playlist to learn everything you need to know to stay ahead of this rapidly accelerating technology.   Check out more at, SpatialWebAI and Spatial Web Foundation   #futureofai #artificialintelligence #spatialweb #intelligentagents #aitools
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Mar 31, 2023 • 1h 18min

Episode 2 | Special Guest Dan Mapes – Founder, VERSES AI | Spatial Web AI Podcast

Special Guest: Dan Mapes, President and Founder, VERSES AI #futureofai #artificialintelligence by Denise Holt In this episode, I had the pleasure of sitting down with Dan Mapes of VERSES AI and Director of the Spatial Web Foundation. Join us as we discuss what’s coming this year with VERSES AI, arguably the most important company in AI technology and the next evolution of the Internet of Everything. Excerpt: [Dan]: “There's kind of a humorous cartoon that goes around in the AI circles, and it's like, AGI is the Moon, artificial general intelligence, human intelligence. And artificial narrow intelligence is being here on the ground looking up at the Moon. And the thing is, how do we get to the Moon? And so artificial narrow intelligence is climbing like the Eiffel Tower or the Empire State Building. They've gone up ten floors. They go, see, we're closer. Then they go up 20 floors, see we're closer, 30 floors, see, we're closer. And so that's why a lot of people think, well, you can't get to the Moon that way because you're just training neurons, and you've got to get bigger and bigger and more expensive and more flaws. So that will not get you to an Artificial General intelligence, even though most people think it will. But a lot of high end artificial intelligence specialists do not believe that's a good path. And so a better path, rather than climbing a building to get to the Moon, would be to build a rocket. Well, that means you got to start over a whole entire new approach. You're not just getting from the 10th floor to the 20th floor in the building. You're going like, we're not even using the building. We're going to go over here and build this new kind of thing, kind of like a building. It's tall and thin, but it's got a big engine on the thing on it, and you can get to the Moon with this thing. And so that's called artificial General Intelligence tools. And what we've done is we've partnered with a brilliant neuroscientist in England who's been working on a new theory of AI called active inference AI, based on the free energy principle. And the work that we're doing and the work that he and his research staff and PhDs were working on just merges together so perfectly and beautifully. So then the synergy out of, it's not ten plus ten. It's ten times ten. Right. So they got their stuff that far, we got our stuff this far. We put them together, and then, like, it just goes. So that's the magic that's taking place at Verses AI right now is this extraordinary research that's been going on at the University College of London under the direction of Dr. Karl Friston. And then our teams work in traditional artificial narrow intelligence and using that in this new architectural stack of interfaces, logics, and data frameworks. And we brought that all together with these spatial web protocols. Wow, that's it. Now we can give anybody the ability to create AI applications anywhere in the world and at any age, and so we're going to gather the collective wisdom of humanity and then link it all together. And then AI is then a larger meta AI and has access to all of that to help us manage the planet as an example.” Listen to the full episode for more.   Special thanks to Dan Mapes, for being on our show!   If you’d like to know more about The Spatial Web, I highly recommend a helpful introductory book written by Danl and his VERSES Co-Founder, Gabriel Rene, titled, “The Spatial Web,” with a dedication “to all future generations.”   Check out our other Episodes and watch all the videos in the Knowledge Bank Playlist to learn everything you need to know to stay ahead of this rapidly accelerating technology.   Check out more at, SpatialWebAI   #futureofai #artificialintelligence #spatialweb #intelligentagents #aitools
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Mar 29, 2023 • 15min

Why the Spatial Web Demands a New Protocol Pt 4 IEEE | KB #9 - Spatial Web AI Podcast

Why the Spatial Web Demands a New Protocol Part 4 – IEEE #futureofai #artificialintelligence by Denise Holt Development of the global Core Standards for the future of AI and the internet are underway… VERSES Technologies donated the IP, White Paper and documentation to the group for HSTP and HSML, announcing this as a “unique and historic opportunity to participate” in what has now been declared a public imperative (the highest designation) new technology standard by IEEE. Some of the greatest minds in the world are involved. VERSES Technologies has appointed Dr. Karl Friston as Chief Scientist, leading next-generation AI research and development regarding the application of Active Inference to Artificial Intelligence and a roadmap toward Artificial General Intelligence. This Spatial Web Protocol working group has attracted top professors and PHD scientist from MIT, University College London, and other notable universities all over the globe. The magnitude and extent of this initiative is profound. ______________________ Special thanks to Dan Mapes, President and Co-Founder, VERSES AI and Director of The Spatial Web Foundation. If you’d like to know more about The Spatial Web, I highly recommend a helpful introductory book written by Dan and his VERSES Co-Founder, Gabriel Rene, titled, “The Spatial Web,” with a dedication “to all future generations.” Listen to more episodes in my Knowledge Bank Playlist to learn everything you need to know to stay ahead of this rapidly accelerating technology. Check out more at, SpatialWebAI and Spatial Web Foundation #futureofai #artificialintelligence #spatialweb #intelligentagents #aitools
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Mar 28, 2023 • 15min

Why the Spatial Web Demands a New Protocol Pt 3 HSML | KB #8 - Spatial Web AI Podcast

Why the Spatial Web Demands a New Protocol Part 3 - HSML  #futureofai #artificialintelligence by Denise Holt How HSML impacts the future of ai: HSML - A Cipher for Context   The Spatial Web (Web 3.0) is a library of spaces that contain objects — people, places, and things. These objects do things and change over time. The context or circumstances that govern these shifts and changes is the most important factor to consider if we are to understand how the objects relate to each other, to people, and to their environments. The only way to create a truly technologically augmented existence, is to be able to consider and measure the contextual elements that affect the expression of shared information by and between all objects in any space. This is known as computable context, and this is what HSML (Hyperspace Modeling Language) was made for.   What is Computable Context?   HSML addresses the “Who, What, When, Where, How, and Why” of any ‘thing’ in any space, both digital and/or physical.   HSML is a characterization programming language used to define, describe, and categorize distinguishable and evolving traits of any user, object, activity, or protocol in any environment, either real or virtual.   This contextual awareness allows for an entirely new way of expressing information by sharing context between various devices, combining multiple data sources, and laying the foundation for a new generation of Artificial Intelligence called, Active Inference Intelligence, that can parse information and make decisions in real time.   Read the full article on:   ______________________   Special thanks to Dan Mapes, President and Co-Founder, VERSES AI and Director of The Spatial Web Foundation. If you’d like to know more about The Spatial Web, I highly recommend a helpful introductory book written by Dan and his VERSES Co-Founder, Gabriel Rene, titled, “The Spatial Web,” with a dedication “to all future generations.”   Listen to more episodes in my Knowledge Bank Playlist to learn everything you need to know to stay ahead of this rapidly accelerating technology.   Check out more at, SpatialWebAI and Spatial Web Foundation   #futureofai #artificialintelligence #spatialweb #intelligentagents #aitools
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Mar 27, 2023 • 15min

Why the Spatial Web Demands a New Protocol Pt 2 - HSTP | KB #7 Spatial Web AI Podcast

Why the Spatial Web Demands a New Protocol Part 2 - HSTP #futureofai #artificialintelligence by Denise Holt The impact of HSTP on the future of ai: Static vs. States of Being Web pages are static by nature. They were created for users to interact with the individual websites and the information contained within them. Although you may be able to create, interact with, or change elements, content, information, and essentially ‘do things’ within a page, it all remains fixed within that website domain. At best, data can be made ‘shareable’ across platforms through open APIs, but the data remains fixed at the domain endpoints.Web 3.0 requires something very different. The networked convergence of emerging technologies like augmented reality, virtual reality, and artificial intelligence, coupled with distributed ledger technology and virtual spaces (metaverse or digital twin), while throwing the internet of things (IOT) with trillions of data collecting sensors into the mix, generates many additional data points and conditions that need to be accounted for in a true AR (augmented reality) existence. Undertaking this task of connecting every person, place, or thing, both real and virtual, while also considering states of being, conditions, and permissions (access, privacy, security, ownership), with continual updates in real time, well, this takes a completely new way of thinking, in order to connect and process such an enormous amount of information occurring within and between all objects, circumstances, and people. The Smart Technologies of Web 3.0, like Smart Spaces, Smart Assets, Smart Contracts, Smart IDs, Smart Accounts, and Smart Payments, are only part of the picture of the augmented world we all envision for the future we are embarking upon. Without interoperability in real-time, these are all siloed technologies with limited range and scope of use. An inclusive interface is necessary to join these Smart Technologies, along with humans, machines, content, data, assets, locations, buildings, factories, workflows, imagination, and the context of real-time interaction across every one of them, embracing and including previous Web 2.0 technologies and cloud databases. THIS is the Web 3.0 of the future. THIS will become the Internet of Everything. Enter HSTP (Hyperspace Transaction Protocol) Beyond 'location' to include 'states of being.' Read the full article on the Spatial Web AI blog: ______________________ Special thanks to Dan Mapes, President and Co-Founder, VERSES AI and Director of The Spatial Web Foundation. If you’d like to know more about The Spatial Web, I highly recommend a helpful introductory book written by Dan and his VERSES Co-Founder, Gabriel Rene, titled, “The Spatial Web,” with a dedication “to all future generations.” Listen to more episodes in my Knowledge Bank Playlist to learn everything you need to know to stay ahead of this rapidly accelerating technology. Check out more at, SpatialWebAI and Spatial Web Foundation #futureofai #artificialintelligence #spatialweb #intelligentagents #aitools
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Mar 26, 2023 • 11min

Why the Spatial Web Demands a New Protocol Part 1 | KB #6 Spatial Web AI Podcast

Why the Spatial Web Demands a New Protocol Part #futureofai #artificialintelligence by Denise Holt Before we go deep diving into the new Spatial Web Protocols, HSTP and HSML, it is important to understand what brought us to this point. As technology evolves, the way in which we interact with it and utilize it to enhance our daily lives and productivity naturally demands more expansion and sophistication over time. As humans, we are naturally curious beings, always pushing boundaries to new heights of discovery. This basic factor, coupled with Ray Kurweil’s Law of Accelerating Returns, sets forth the evolution of information technologies on a predictable and exponential trajectory of growth, creating an increasingly more complex interrelationship and interdependency with our way of life. ........ Trillions of IOT sensors are coming online in these next ten years with data points that AI will interact with to update digital twin environments in real time. Over time, AI “assistants” will become the dominant user of the Spatial Web, parsing the gargantuan amount of data and information for us to access, use, and navigate through our daily lives. You can read this full article on my blog Spatial Web AI ______________________ Special thanks to Dan Mapes, President and Co-Founder, VERSES AI and Director of The Spatial Web Foundation. If you’d like to know more about The Spatial Web, I highly recommend a helpful introductory book written by Dan and his VERSES Co-Founder, Gabriel Rene, titled, “The Spatial Web,” with a dedication “to all future generations.” Listen to more episodes in my Knowledge Bank Playlist to learn everything you need to know to stay ahead of this rapidly accelerating technology. Check out more at, SpatialWebAI and Spatial Web Foundation #futureofai #artificialintelligence #spatialweb #intelligentagents #aitools
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Mar 25, 2023 • 1h 8min

Episode 1 | Special Guest: Gabriel Rene CEO VERSES AI | Spatial Web AI Podcast

Special Guest: Gabriel Rene – CEO and Founder, VERSES AI #futureofai #artificialintelligence by Denise Holt In this episode, I had the pleasure of sitting down with Gabriel Rene, CEO and Co-Founder of VERSES AI, Executive Director of the Spatial Web Foundation, and Chairman of the IEEE Working Group for the Spatial Web Protocol. Join us as we discuss his background, what led him on this journey to co-found one of the most important companies in AI technology and the next evolution of the internet. Topics covered: ·       What is the Spatial Web vs. WWW? ·       The new internet protocols, HSTP & HSML ·       The Spatial Web and Augmented Reality through Active Inference AI, HSTP & HSML, and KOSM OS ™ ·       What are Spatial Domains? ·       What is Active Inference AI? ·       Intelligent Agents vs Machine Learning AI ·       The inherent security baked into the Spatial Web ·       Issues with ChatGPT4 ·        And More! Special thanks to Gabriel Rene, for being on our show!   If you’d like to know more about The Spatial Web, I highly recommend a helpful introductory book written by Gabriel and his VERSES Co-Founder, Dan Mapes, titled, “The Spatial Web,” with a dedication “to all future generations.”   Check out our other Episodes and watch all of our videos in the Knowledge Bank Playlist to learn everything you need to know to stay ahead of this rapidly accelerating technology.   Check out more at, SpatialWebAI   #futureofai #artificialintelligence #spatialweb #intelligentagents #aitools
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Mar 24, 2023 • 8min

WWW vs The Spatial Web | KB #5 Spatial Web AI Podcast

WWW vs The Spatial Web #futureofai #artificialintelligence by Denise Holt Digital technology has grown into a space where we now have multiple devices — computers, mobile phones, iPads, smart TVs, game consoles, smart watches, smart appliances, etc… all connecting through a singular IP address (your home or office). In the next 10 years, trillions of new IOT (internet of things) sensors will be coming online. Every thing will be attempting to connect and share data. The biggest challenge with the World Wide Web, is that it was created to share pages of information — web pages. With the increase in bandwidth and chip speeds over time, we have jackhammered out of that technology the ability to share media within those pages, even real-time streaming of video and audio communications, so we actually feel like we are connected in a physical and digital way. The reality, however, is that today’s internet technology is extremely limited and stifled in the possibilities of merging physical and digital experiences. Consider some of the Metaverse spaces that have come online in the past year or so. Much of the general public is confused by what appears to be poor graphics, as if we have gone backwards in time (think Decentraland). The non-technical user doesn’t understand that decentralized applications (dApps) require more resources to perform multiple operations over many systems that are all working together. The World Wide Web, Web 2.0, is just not capable of handling that demand well without sacrificing either graphics or speed. We are also missing some critical data points that are necessary to make sense of the data, and we are stuck in a situation of giving away our data through use, rather than being able to own and protect our own data from the inception. The Spatial Web solves for this by expanding on the Web 2.0 internet model by providing a Digital ID (DID) to every Metaverse and every Digital Twin of real-world spaces. The new open, non-commercial protocol for the Spatial Web is called HSTP (Hyperspace Transaction Protocol). This is the missing glue for Web 3.0. This new protocol enables the interoperability for all spaces and objects. We are not just connecting information through computers anymore. We are connecting every person, place or thing, both real and virtual. The main difference between the internet as we know it and the Spatial Web is this: WWW domains are Stateless. The data being produced and shared through interactions on the Web 2.0 internet does not get captured within those interactions on the web itself. There are no web channels making decisions along the way and recording actions as the data travels between servers. The data interactions and modifications are documented within the endpoint servers, ie user info, user behavior, exchanges of data, data requests, permissions, etc… So, you as the user, have no control over what happens to this data. It’s a byproduct of your usage. The corporations who own and govern the endpoints of the exchanges of information, ie, browsers and servers, they own that accumulated data, and they get to decide what to do with it. Thus far, they have monetized the heck out it for their own benefit and corporate profits, ie, Google Chrome, Apple Safari, Facebook, etc… On the other hand, the Spatial Web is Stateful. Through HSTP (Hyperspace Transaction Protocol), the data is generated by and between 3D locations, modeling objects in space in a very standardized way using HSML (Hyperspace Modeling Language). Read more at SpatialWebAI ______________________ Special thanks to Dan Mapes, President and Co-Founder, VERSES AI and Director of The Spatial Web Foundation. If you’d like to know more about The Spatial Web, I highly recommend a helpful introductory book written by Dan and his VERSES Co-Founder, Gabriel Rene, titled, “The Spatial Web,” with a dedication “to all future generations.” Listen to more episodes in my Knowledge Bank Playlist to learn everything you need to know to stay ahead of this rapidly accelerating technology. Check out more at, SpatialWebAI #futureofai #artificialintelligence #spatialweb #intelligentagents #aitools
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Mar 23, 2023 • 5min

The Spatial Web is Coming Part 4 | KB #4 Spatial Web AI Podcast

The Spatial Web is Coming, Part 4 #futureofai #artificialintelligence by Denise Holt Be Ahead of the Curve The future of Web 3.0 that we all envision, essentially the Economy of Everything, must be on a common network. Websites won’t exist. Instead, there will be web worlds networked with nested entities of people, places, and things, both real and virtual. All of this will be searchable and accessible. Our daily lives will be augmented with shared data between these two realms, physical and digital. Anything that wants to be recognized will have to be included in this network. VERSES Technologies is building the foundation technology to enable this network. In 1990, Sir Tim Berners-Lee combined the coding language HTML with an innovative new protocol, HTTP to connect “hyperlinked” pages for the foundation of the World Wide Web, which became a global, accessible digital library of information. Today, VERSES Technologies is establishing the next-level Spatial Web Protocols and Standards, laying the spatial framework for what’s coming next — a fully networked, searchable, and accessible Spatial Interface powered by KOSM™ AI. Their intention: to create an open and secure means of exchange between all people, objects, digital and physical spaces, content, and assets, across all locations, platforms, and devices. After nearly five years in development, the VERSES team is well on their way. Web 3.0 is About to Take a Giant Leap Throughout 2021, VC’s invested $33 Billion in Crypto and Blockchain startups. Currently, 2022 is on pace to nearly double that. Cointelegraph research recently reported Web3 as the most sought-after investment sector of 2022, including Cryptography, Web3, NFTs, Wallets, Metaverses, Gaming, deFi, Media, Communities, and DAOs. These technologies along with humans, machines, content, data, assets, locations, buildings, factories, workflows, imagination, and the context of real-time interaction across every one of them, THIS is the Web 3.0 of the future. Every protocol, platform, interaction, messaging, data distribution, 1st Layer, 2nd Layer, developer API and Language aspect of Web3 that is in development today needs to be thinking about this transition to the Spatial Web. As Dan Mapes of VERSES and The Spatial Web Foundation points out, in regard to today’s Web 2.0, “The internet is one network of 50 billion computers and 10 billion webpages — you are either on this or you are not.” Just as critical as the searchability of websites, information, and content has been to the World Wide Web of these past 32 years, the same will be true of the Spatial Web. If you, as a company, project, individual, are not included in this all-inclusive new Network of Everything, you will be invisible in Web 3.0 and unknowable to the world. Special thanks to Dan Mapes , President and Co-Founder, VERSES AI and Director of The Spatial Web Foundation. If you’d like to know more about The Spatial Web, I highly recommend a helpful introductory book written by Dan and his VERSES Co-Founder, Gabriel Rene, titled, “The Spatial Web,” with a dedication “to all future generations.” ++ This is Part 4 of a four part series titled, “The Spatial Web is Coming… Is Web 3.0 Ready?” Missed the beginning… Go back and listen to Part 1 Check out more on our blog - Spatial Web AI #futureofai #artificialintelligence #spatialweb #intelligentagents #aitools

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